Rowand44 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 09:16 AM) Once it becomes OK for a player to go into the stands for a certain reason, there will be players in the stands all the time. Even if his wife was having an argument, you call security. The guards were there even before AD got there. So what exactly was he helping? What if the guy took at swing at AD? Then Eddy Curry decided to help out? Now since you think thats acceptable behavior, Ron Artest goes into the crowd to protect his brother, someone takes a swing at him, and he swings back. But its ok because he went to protect a family memeber? Thats flat out retarded. PLayers have no business going into the stands. Remember when Bagwells wife got her hair pulled? If that was above the dugout and he saw it and ran into the stands, would that be acceptable? No. What would be acceptable is alert the guys who are paid to handle the situation, and keep your ass on the playing field. There is no excuse for a player going into the stands. Security wasn't there when AD got there first off, second your family comes first no matter what. It's against the rules for AD to go into the stands so whatever suspend him a couple of games but I have 0 problem with what he did, if I'm him I'm going right into the stands as well. Sorry, but if you got an asshole harrassing your wife you can go protect her whether the NBA has a rule against it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 I would not be able to look my wife in the face if I stood around and let other people try to 'handle' a situation in which another man was threatening her in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 09:24 AM) Security wasn't there when AD got there first off, second your family comes first no matter what. It's against the rules for AD to go into the stands so whatever suspend him a couple of games but I have 0 problem with what he did, if I'm him I'm going right into the stands as well. Sorry, but if you got an asshole harrassing your wife you can go protect her whether the NBA has a rule against it or not. Thats such a weak argument. You are in the NBA, you have an obligation, not only to your team, but to the NBA. One of the NBA's rules is not going into the stands. That is an obligation for you as a worker. She was not being physically harmed, and his presence there could have cause even a worse situation for her. Would it have been responsible for him to go up there if it started another riot AROUND his wife? And yes, watch the replay, the security guy got there the same time he did. Who would have been more effective in making it a safe situation? Exactly, the guy who is paid to do his job. There is no valid reason for a player to go into the stands, period. He is putting his team at risk, other fans at risk, and in this case, making the risk worse for his wife. He should undergo a large suspension for his actions and should lose his position as player representative in the union. If Ron Artest did the same thing, would you have the same reaction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Everyone's buddy chimes in: http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-spt-jay19.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 09:33 AM) I would not be able to look my wife in the face if I stood around and let other people try to 'handle' a situation in which another man was threatening her in any way. If those other people were paid security guards that were 10 feet away, and you are obligated not to leave the floor, and your presence could make the whole situation more dangeous for everyone, Im sure she would understand. If I am correct, im SURE your wife could handle herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 I was reading on the ESPN message boards that the wife might well have started this mess by going up to say something to a fan that had been heckling her husband. Does anyone have a link to a more reputable board where I can try to read somemore about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 09:50 AM) I was reading on the ESPN message boards that the wife might well have started this mess by going up to say something to a fan that had been heckling her husband. Does anyone have a link to a more reputable board where I can try to read somemore about this? www.soxtalk.com ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 10:44 AM) Everyone's buddy chimes in: http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-spt-jay19.html I love how he tells you why you shouldnt do it, and follows it with "he should have done it anyways". Yes, he could have incited a riot. Yes, it brought back eerie memories of Malice at the Palace, the madness outside of Detroit that irreparably stained the NBA's image. Yes, he probably will be suspended at least five games by commissioner David Stern, who is interested in saving his sport from violent scenes and doesn't want footage of Davis blasted across TV screens for the next month. Yes, his wife, Kendra, is known as something of a live wire who once engaged in a courtside dissing match with Latrell Sprewell and was seen yelling at the fan before he was escorted from the arena. I don't care. Davis had no right to trust the fans or the security. At that point, he was a man worried about his wife and kids, all natives of the area who never wanted to see him leave the Bulls in the Eddy Curry trade. Remember, this is Chicago, where a father-son tag team once rushed onto the field and tackled a first-base coach. This is Chicago, where the Los Angeles Dodgers once crashed the stands after a fan stole a player's cap. This is America, the world we live in. If it had incited a riot, Mariotti would be leading the way with the pitchforks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 10:47 AM) If those other people were paid security guards that were 10 feet away, and you are obligated not to leave the floor, and your presence could make the whole situation more dangeous for everyone, Im sure she would understand. If I am correct, im SURE your wife could handle herself. I'd be PM'ing your ass about a place to stay. Rock, you're being very rational and that's easy to do sitting where we are. I'm saying I can understand how and why it happened. Of course he'll be punished, rules are rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 11:02 AM) I'd be PM'ing your ass about a place to stay. Rock, you're being very rational and that's easy to do sitting where we are. I'm saying I can understand how and why it happened. Of course he'll be punished, rules are rules. And Rock would probably tell you no on the grounds that he doesnt allow people to crash if they let their wives get beat up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 11:04 AM) And Rock would probably tell you no on the grounds that he doesnt allow people to crash if they let their wives get beat up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 10:02 AM) I'd be PM'ing your ass about a place to stay. Rock, you're being very rational and that's easy to do sitting where we are. I'm saying I can understand how and why it happened. Of course he'll be punished, rules are rules. Hahaha, I have a big couch! Im trying to be as rational as possible. If this wasnt AD, if it was Artest, or Stephen Jackson or someone of the sort, we would be complaining about the lack of security to keep them OFF the court, no matter what reason they chose to go into the stands. Fact is, his presence in the stands makes the situation more dangerous, for his wife and for the fans. I do not feel comfortable in the stands where it is a common place for players, who are 10 times bigger than us, to come up into my seat anytime. Its not acceptable, and its not his job to protect people in the stands. Based on her prior record, she is a woman who can handle herself. She went toe to toe to with Spreewell in NY and most likely had her fault in the situation as well. Fact is, there is no place for players in the stands under ANY circumstance. Edited January 19, 2006 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 10:04 AM) And Rock would probably tell you no on the grounds that he doesnt allow people to crash if they let their wives get beat up. *rimshot* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 11:07 AM) Hahaha, I have a big couch! Im trying to be as rational as possible. If this wasnt AD, if it was Artest, or Stephen Jackson or someone of the sort, we would be complaining about the lack of security to keep them OFF the court, no matter what reason they chose to go into the stands. Fact is, his presence in the stands makes the situation more dangerous, for his wife and for the fans. I do not feel comfortable in the stands where it is a common place for players, who are 10 times bigger than us, to come up into my seat anytime. Its not acceptable, and its not his job to protect people in the stands. Based on her prior record, she is a woman who can handle herself. She went toe to toe to with Spreewell in NY and most likely had her fault in the situation as well. Fact is, there is no place for players in the stands under ANY circumstance. Sheeeeeit, if I took your advice and did not protect my wife and she bounced me, then YOU and your woman get the fk'n couch my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Wait a second. If I crash on your couch, what are the chances the girl in your avatar will be there rock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 10:21 AM) Wait a second. If I crash on your couch, what are the chances the girl in your avatar will be there rock? Good chance. Plus I have a guest room...for privacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 11:22 AM) Good chance. Plus I have a guest room...for privacy. Thats it then. I am going let my wife get in a brawl and crash at your place. All problems solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...=jackson/060119 Maybe Antonio Davis remembers something many of us forget. Remember this from Game 2 of the World Series? Remember that Astros catcher Brad Ausmus said his wife, Liz, endured a number of taunts, as well as what a Houston media report described as "a few vulgar hand gestures throughout the night." "Some of the treatment that the Astros families received at U.S. Cellular Field was a huge black eye for the city of Chicago," Ausmus told the Houston Chronicle. "My wife didn't get hit or anything, but people flipped her off and were screaming at her.'' Ausmus said, "The people of Chicago are overwhelmingly good people," but added, "if I was from Chicago, I'd be embarrassed by the way the Astros' families were treated by the White Sox fans." Patty Biggio got slapped upside the back of her head. It happened in Chicago. Manhood aside ... Antonio don't play that. f*** you Scoop Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 08:29 PM) http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...=jackson/060119 f*** you Scoop Jackson And now what is Ausmus climbed out of the dugout and into the stands to confront the guy? Would we all be defending him? f*** no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 What AD did, is justified, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do. There are way too many little things that could have happened on his way to the stand and in the stands from this matter becoming Detroit Part Deux. One drunk fan getting in his way, a person asking him for his autograph, someone wanting to take a picture, AD stepping on someone's foot, any little thing could of happened and turned this into another mess that the city as a whole needs to defend for years to ahead. A husband has taken a vow to protect his wife and should do so, but by him going into the stands creates more of chance for her to get in harms way. What also scares me with this situation is the potential for it to turn into a black and white issue. AD going out of his way by breaking the rules to protect his wife from a wealthy white kid with a powerful father. I hope it doesn't turn into that, but the possibility is definitely there, especially when scoop jackson comes out and starts defending it. AD is a class act and he just reacted to what he thought was right at the time. The video footage that they show and the discussion on the radio last night from fans who were sitting in the same section, completely name her as the instigator, but AD is the one who gets the two minutes in the penalty box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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