mr_genius Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 11:25 AM) Please check out Islamundressed.com thereligionofpeace.com :headshake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 12:46 PM) The Koran is like the Bible. It can be intrepretted to justify or condemn damn near anything. It all depends on who's reading it. Precisely. I'm glad someone else made that comparison. I was afraid I'd be vilified if I suggested that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 11:56 AM) Precisely. I'm glad someone else made that comparison. I was afraid I'd be vilified if I suggested that. You would have been. I was just waiting for it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 01:00 PM) You would have been. I was just waiting for it.... ...and got impatient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 12:01 PM) ...and got impatient? nah. I just decided to give you a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 :headshake <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Did you check out those sites (prior to passing judgment on them)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 12:03 PM) Did you check out those sites (prior to passing judgment on them)? yes i did and found them to be along the lines of site like this http://www.jewwatch.com/ site for crazy people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 (edited) There is a HUGE difference...if you were to go back over past 10 years, and look at all of the world's wars, armed conflicts, etc., during that period, how many did NOT involve Muslims??? Not to mention that Jew Watch is based on opinion, NOT factual data! Jew Watch From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. (Redirected from Frank Weltner) Jump to: navigation, search Jew Watch is an antisemitic website. According to its supporters, Jew Watch "reports accurate information regarding Jewish ownership and control over mass media and politics." Jew Watch describes its objective as "Keeping a Close Watch on Jewish Communities & Organizations Worldwide." The website asserts that "Jew Watch is a Not-For-Profit Library for private study, scholarship, or research." The site achieved notoriety when it emerged as the first result in a Google search for the word Jew. Contents [hide] 1 Content 2 Authorship 3 Jew Watch and Google 4 References 5 External links [edit] Content Screenshot of Jew Watch's home page, April 6, 2004Jew Watch features an archive of opinion, writings, articles and links, organized in the form of a Web directory. Its material is organized under topic heads such as "Jewish-Zionist-Soviet Anti-American Spies," "Jewish Communist Rulers & Killers," "Jewish Terrorists," "Jewish Controlled Press," "Jewish Entertainment," "Zionist Occupied Government," "Jewish Communists," "Jewish Atrocities," "Jewish Mind Control Mechanisms," "Jewish Banking & Financial Manipulations," "Jewish World Conspiracies" and many others. Jew Watch claims that the United States is ruled by a "Zionist-Occupied Government," that Communism was invented by Jews and was a Jewish plot to enslave the world, that Jews control the world finance system and the media. The site links to others which speculate that Jews have committed or are planning genocide against Christians and against the Palestinian people, and that the Holocaust of World War II either never happened or was greatly exaggerated (Holocaust Denial). Jew Watch also has a large list of names of celebrities and historical figures which it claims are Jewish or of Jewish descent. The site has a number of quotations which are purported to be from the Talmud or Jewish figures; without footnotes or proper citations these are impossible to verify; others are lifted entirely from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion a well-known anti-semitic forgery written in the late 19th Century. Jew Watch purports to expose Jewish crimes against humanity. Its stated position is that Jews are responsible for every major war in the last 150 years, that Judaism hates all races of humanity (especially whites), and dominates the world by proxy through the United States. At the same time, it alleges in the documents stored that global Jewry seeks to destroy the United States itself since its power may soon be turned against Jewry. On World War II, Jew Watch also holds documents that allege that the Holocaust was in fact the rain of fire over Europe waged at the behest of global Jewry, and that the overwhelming bulk of European Jews safely survived the war sheltered as refugees in the concentration camps. According to documents in Jew Watch, deaths Jews did suffer were from the typhoid epidemics following in the wake of the destruction of European sewage systems and supply-lines of food and heating fuels through bombing. The website alleges that the Jewish end-game is not so much world rule, as destruction of humanity especially whites, who collectively form the greatest threat to Judaic anti-racial conditioning. [edit] Authorship The main author of Jew Watch is Frank Weltner, a retired librarian and activist in the National Vanguard, a white separatist website and movement. Weltner has also been known on WGNU radio as "Couch Potato" since 1992. In January 2005 Weltner's show was taken off WGNU by the management. Jew Watch's main administrative contact, Weltner, is also listed as the copyright holder and technical contact for several other racialist and anti-Semitic websites, including enslavementofmankind.com and ethnicsurvivalkit.com. The site couchpower.com contains a listing of Weltner's websites. Frank Weltner did not always have such extreme anti-Semitic views. For several years Weltner lived with an openly gay Jewish man named Jerry Rabushka. Rabushka and Mr Weltner each half owned the 3 bedroom home in which they lived. Despite Weltner's tirade against Jews and other minorities, homosexuals have never been one of Weltner's targets. Rabushka says their relationship dissolved when Weltner's views became more extreme. In 2005 Weltner was sued by the Missouri attorney general to stop him from collecting donations for Hurricane Katrina victims. "It's the lowest of the low when someone solicits funds" this way, Mr. Nixon said in an interview before announcing the lawsuit. "We don't want one more penny from well-meaning donors going through this hater." A neo-Nazi figure linked to Jew Watch is Don Black, a former Ku Klux Klan activist in Alabama who now heads a group called Stormfront. Black describes himself at his personal website as having been "active in the White patriot movement for 30 years." Some sources say that Black is, or until recently was, the technical contact of the domain name of both Jew Watch and the Stormfront website. [edit] Jew Watch and Google Jew Watch gained much publicity in 2004 when it became the first website listed in the Internet search engine Google under "Jew" in April 2004. A Google bomb campaign was, for a time, successful in placing Wikipedia's article "Jew" in the top spot. Jew Watch, in February 2005 was once again the first website listed on Google's American site, with Wikipedia's article coming second; by August the positions had reversed again. On other Google sites this was not the case; for example, on Google's Canadian site (www.google.ca) Wikipedia's article was first, and Jew Watch is not in the top ten. Google insists that these results are the result of computer ranking algorithms, and are thus not directly decided by Google. Google has researched this matter and believes that one reason for this result is that the word "Jew" is often used in an anti-Semitic context while Jews more often refer to each other as "Jewish" [1], citing a couple of sites where usage of these words is discussed, see especially [2]. The increasing publicity has resulted in many news sources, weblogs and general information sites to link to Jew Watch. This creates an unintentional (or intentional) Google bomb. In May 2004, Steven Weinstock launched an online petition to remove Jew Watch from Google. "When performing a search for the word 'Jew' on Google, the first Web site listed is Jewwatch.com, a site that has been notorious for being anti-Semitic," Weinstock wrote in a widely disseminated e-mail. Weinstock said he had contacted Google three times about the site but had not received a response. "In order for Google to remove this, they would need a petition of over 50,000 requests," Weinstock said. He set up an online petition site called RemoveJewWatch.com. Within a few days 2,000 signatures had been added to the list. Google reportedly said that they would not remove Jew Watch from their search engine no matter what petitions were presented. By mid-2004 the site had collected over 125,000 signatures, mostly favorable. The "removejewwatch" site went offline but can now be found at http://www.whynotmedia.com/removejewwatch.html. Weinstock's attempts have been mocked at a site called removejews.com Google's response, however, has been a sponsored link for the search term since 2004 which can be found at their site. It explains how Google results are automatically ranked by computer algorithms. National Vanguard writer Kevin Strom claimed that Weinstock's efforts resulted in a "censor-fest" of Jew Watch and insisted "Our race deserves to live in freedom, and no trickster, thug, or con man can stop us from achieving that goal. We are going to win".[3] John Goth, in the same publication, described his "disgust" as a "loyal White man" at "the recent Jewish attacks on free speech and particularly, on JewWatch.com." [4] To this day Jew Watch fluctuates between the #1 and #2 positions for the search term “Jew” on the American Google site. (When Jew Watch is #2, the #1 slot is normally held by the Wikipedia article, Jew). [edit] References David Irving's Website. [edit] External links Jew Watch Google:Jew Official letter of apology to Anti-Defamation League from Google's president "Removejewwatch" site Google's statement on the issue National Vanguard article by Kevin Alfred Strom of the National Vanguard on Jew Watch and Google, providing a conspiracy theory. Jew Watch, Google, and Search Engine Optimization by Seth Finkelstein After the Storm, the Swindlers Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew_Watch" Categories: Anti-Semitism | Neo-Nazi websites ViewsArticle Discussion Edit this page History Personal toolsSign in / create account Navigation Main Page Community Portal Current events Recent changes Random article Help Contact us Donations Search Toolbox What links here Related changes Upload file Special pages Printable version Permanent link Cite this article This page was last modified 21:34, 21 January 2006. 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mr_genius Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 12:11 PM) There is a HUGE difference...if you were to go back over past 10 years, and look at all of the world's wars, armed conflicts, etc., during that period, how many did NOT involve Muslims??? lol i don't think i want to argue this with you. is this anthraxfan signed in under a new account? Edited January 23, 2006 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 01:11 PM) There is a HUGE difference...if you were to go back over past 10 years, and look at all of the world's wars, armed conflicts, etc., during that period, how many did NOT involve Muslims??? Hm. That would be most of them. Examples? How about all those conflicts in central Africa, over money, resources and land? Dozens of them, resulting in the deaths of millions (no exaggeration). Civil conflicts in Columbia and Bolivia? the Koreas? China and Nepal? India and it's Naxalite population? States in the Caucasus like Armenia and Azerbaijan? And besides, I thought the current Iraq war was supposedly not about Islam. And conflicts like the one in the Kashmir are less and less about religion, and more about land, security and power. Frankly, there isn't a major religion that hasn't been involved in major conflicts in the last few decades, if you want to call being used as a symbol being "involved". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hm. That would be most of them. Examples? How about all those conflicts in central Africa, over money, resources and land? Dozens of them, resulting in the deaths of millions (no exaggeration). Civil conflicts in Columbia and Bolivia? the Koreas? China and Nepal? India and it's Naxalite population? States in the Caucasus like Armenia and Azerbaijan? And besides, I thought the current Iraq war was supposedly not about Islam. And conflicts like the one in the Kashmir are less and less about religion, and more about land, security and power. Frankly, there isn't a major religion that hasn't been involved in major conflicts in the last few decades, if you want to call being used as a symbol being "involved". <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ummm...Muslims slaughtering Christians in Bethlehem, Muslims slaughtering the Sudanese, Bosnia vs Serbia, US v AlQueda, Muslims v Israel, etc., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 01:24 PM) Ummm...Muslims slaughtering Christians in Bethlehem, Muslims slaughtering the Sudanese, Bosnia vs Serbia, US v AlQueda, Muslims v Israel, etc., Indeed. But your point is still missing in action. How do you characterize Islam as being somehow responsible for the majority of wars in the last 10 years, which is manifestly untrue? And as I stated, if you want to use this as your method of comparison, then complete the equation. Islam has been involved in wars, as have Christians, Jews, even Buddhists. Are they all warmongering religions? Or is it that perhaps some people like to use religion as an excuse or a theme? It certainly does make it easy for some people to small-mindedly categorize a few hundred million people as evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 My point is...one one be EXTREMELY hard-pressed to find anything in the Old or New Testaments that can even be remotely interpreted that non-believers should perish. Not so for the Koran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 01:44 PM) My point is...one one be EXTREMELY hard-pressed to find anything in the Old or New Testaments that can even be remotely interpreted that non-believers should perish. Not so for the Koran. I have read much of the bible (though admitedly it was long ago), and some of the Quran. I see no more calls for violence in one than the other. I think that people who dilute themselves into thinking the Quran somehow endorses killing all non-Islams are simply looking for an easy way out - "all Islam is evil" is easier to fathom than the complexity that is reality. It's intellectual laziness. And its sad that it might be used to precipitate violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I have read much of the bible (though admitedly it was long ago), and some of the Quran. I see no more calls for violence in one than the other. I think that people who dilute themselves into thinking the Quran somehow endorses killing all non-Islams are simply looking for an easy way out - "all Islam is evil" is easier to fathom than the complexity that is reality. It's intellectual laziness. And its sad that it might be used to precipitate violence. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I do not believe that all Islam is evil (in fact, I have some very close friends who are Muslims.). All I am saying is that it is pretty easy to make that assumption based on the Koran AND recent history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 12:44 PM) My point is...one one be EXTREMELY hard-pressed to find anything in the Old or New Testaments that can even be remotely interpreted that non-believers should perish. Not so for the Koran. According to the OT, God would be the one to punish sinners and unbelievers. Look at Exodus where God's wrath was unleashed because the Isrealites worshipped a golden calf ... which basically represented another god, Baal. I'm not a biblical expert by any means, but God's wrath is a recurrent theme in the OT, against the children of Isreal and non-Isrealites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 BINGO! G-d is THE Judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 01:19 PM) BINGO! G-d is THE Judge. Yet, didn't God, according to the Bible, use man to enforce his will? If He wanted to punish Isreal for turning away from Him, they would invaded, defeated and enslaved. Can't it be assumed that radical Islamists are justifying their actions similarly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Yet, didn't God, according to the Bible, use man to enforce his will? If He wanted to punish Isreal for turning away from Him, they would invaded, defeated and enslaved. Can't it be assumed that radical Islamists are justifying their actions similarly? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I guess the terrorists can rationalize their behavior any way they choose. That doesn't make it right though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 09:29 AM) I guess the terrorists can rationalize their behavior any way they choose. That doesn't make it right though. I guess SBMI can rationalize that Islam is a violent religion any way he chooses. That doesn't make it right though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I guess SBMI can rationalize that Islam is a violent religion any way he chooses. That doesn't make it right though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Does what's CURRENTLY happenning in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, Indonesia, Pakistan, Gaza, the Philippines, Bosnia, Russia, etc., provide any evidence to you at all? :banghead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 10:49 AM) Does what's CURRENTLY happenning in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, Indonesia, Pakistan, Gaza, the Philippines, Bosnia, Russia, etc., provide any evidence to you at all? :banghead Do you realize that you still haven't addressed the holes in your statements that you've been called out on here? Of course there are wars going on that involve Muslims (although some of the countries you cite here have no wars). And there are wars involving Christians, Jews, Buddhists and everyone else. But YOU said two things that are just ridiculous: that Islam is a violent religion that wants to kill all non-Muslims, and then later, that MOST of the wars in the globe involve Islam. These two statements are ludicrous. It just makes me sad to see that there are so many people that would rather take the lazy path and just blame all of Islam for the world's problems. Kind of like lazy Dems want to blame Bush for all the world's problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Do you realize that you still haven't addressed the holes in your statements that you've been called out on here? Of course there are wars going on that involve Muslims (although some of the countries you cite here have no wars). And there are wars involving Christians, Jews, Buddhists and everyone else. But YOU said two things that are just ridiculous: that Islam is a violent religion that wants to kill all non-Muslims, and then later, that MOST of the wars in the globe involve Islam. These two statements are ludicrous. It just makes me sad to see that there are so many people that would rather take the lazy path and just blame all of Islam for the world's problems. Kind of like lazy Dems want to blame Bush for all the world's problems. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I THINK I posted articles that show that one of the principles of the Koran is that "infidels" (Non-believers) need to be converted or eliminated. Thank G-d that MOST Muslims do not strictly adhere to this tenet. BTW...the war(s) that Jews are currently fighting are because they are under constant attack by radical ISLAMISTS, Christians being attacked in Bethlehem by radical ISLAMISTS, etc. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 12:45 PM) I THINK I posted articles that show that one of the principles of the Koran is that "infidels" (Non-believers) need to be converted or eliminated. Thank G-d that MOST Muslims do not strictly adhere to this tenet. BTW...the war(s) that Jews are currently fighting are because they are under constant attack by radical ISLAMISTS, Christians being attacked in Bethlehem by radical ISLAMISTS, etc. etc. etc. As pointed out, your articles were quotes from people whom Islam doesn't even acknowledge as part of their structure. It's obvious you've already decided that Islam is evil, and all the logic and evidence in the world otherwise won't change your mind about it. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 11:53 AM) As pointed out, your articles were quotes from people whom Islam doesn't even acknowledge as part of their structure. It's obvious you've already decided that Islam is evil, and all the logic and evidence in the world otherwise won't change your mind about it. Have a nice day. I think you've hit the nail right on the head .... and Texsox, no Hammer comments allowed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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