SSH2005 Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 Javy Lopez, who is unhappy about making the switch to first base or DH, wants a three-year contract extension worth about $24 million if he's going to remain with the Orioles. That's certainly not going to happen. Lopez had a 780 OPS last season, and he's going to be 36 when any contract extension would kick in. There's no way the Orioles can consider committing to him beyond 2006 right now. A trade remains a possibility, but there appears to be little interest in him. The Orioles may just decide to live with having an unhappy Lopez. Agent Chuck Berry said his client wouldn't cause problems if he doesn't get what he wants. "I think under those circumstances, if they said, 'No' [to an extension], he could be content to play all season and let the chips fall where they may," Berry said. Source: Baltimore Sun Javy better get back on the juice if he wants that kind of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 It is in this type of scenario that it is unfortunate that a team just can't cut a player loose and terminate his contract like teams can do in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 07:54 PM) It is in this type of scenario that it is unfortunate that a team just can't cut a player loose and terminate his contract like teams can do in the NFL. But at the same time, it is a very good thing to have, because it doesn't allow teams like the Yankees, Rangers, and whoever else that sign players to huge contracts just because they can to just get out of it. If that happened, the Yankees would win the World Series like, every year. Or at the very least you'd be looking at Boston-New York ALCS year in, year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 09:35 PM) But at the same time, it is a very good thing to have, because it doesn't allow teams like the Yankees, Rangers, and whoever else that sign players to huge contracts just because they can to just get out of it. If that happened, the Yankees would win the World Series like, every year. Or at the very least you'd be looking at Boston-New York ALCS year in, year out. That's why you would need a cap, if you were not going to have guaranteed contracts. It'll be forever until that could ever happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 It's amazing what has happened to Javy since 'roids was cracked down on in baseball. His decline in numbers the past few years is about as bad as anyone not named Samuel Sosa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 03:18 AM) Javy better get back on the juice if he wants that kind of money. he was never on the juice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 01:29 PM) he was never on the juice. Did your sources tell you this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 It's basically one career year in 2003, a good year in 2004, and one bad year, 2005. It wouldn't look like a decline except for that ridiculous 2003 -- that's the real aberration. I'm not saying he did or didn't use, but he's always had big swings in productivity. He was used more in 2004 than any year prior (some at dh, but mostly catcher -- he had more abs as a catcher that year than total abs any other year). Then he gets hurt (broke his hand, obviously nothing steroid related). It's hard to put that down to a baseball drug crackdown. That said, what a hilarious request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 12:31 PM) Did your sources tell you this? no but based on the fact that he lost about 20 pounds in 2003 that wouldn't be taking roids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 01:46 PM) no but based on the fact that he lost about 20 pounds in 2003 that wouldn't be taking roids. your arguments are always so strong and top notch josh..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 12:49 PM) your arguments are always so strong and top notch josh..... try reading an SI article on this stuff. Edited January 28, 2006 by White Sox Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 02:05 PM) try reading an SI article on this stuff. About steroids or about Lopez losing weight? SI isn't quite the best place to look for knowledge on steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 01:18 PM) About steroids or about Lopez losing weight? SI isn't quite the best place to look for knowledge on steroids. about Lopez losing weight and the workout program that he was on. It wasn't steroids thats for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 02:33 PM) about Lopez losing weight and the workout program that he was on. It wasn't steroids thats for sure. Hmm, I am sure SI came out with plenty of articles in 1998 about Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa's "workout programs". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 02:04 PM) Hmm, I am sure SI came out with plenty of articles in 1998 about Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa's "workout programs". you don't take steroids to lose weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 03:10 PM) you don't take steroids to lose weight. You dont tell Sports Illustrated you are on Steroids if you are on Steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHAMBARONS Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Had the great year of 2003 but had a lot of great hitters around him in the Jones boys and Sheff and solid lineup period. Javy from his years down here in Atlanta has been a good hitter throughout his career and a good leader as well with the pitching staff. I doubt Javy was a roider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 I just think its strange that the guy hits .233 in 2002 and is injured, and comes back in his walk year and hits better than he ever did in his entire career, carry that over through 2004(curiously when the harsher drug testing began) and then comes back to his normal numbers of batting around .278 in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 His 2005 ba, obp, and slg were worse than his career numbers, so I don't so how you can call those "normal". And like I said before, he got more work in 2004 than ever before, plus he had the broken hand in 2005. There are a lot of other explanations for that year. 2003 is somewhat suspicious, just based on the numbers and the timing. But there's nothing else that I know of that points to him. What were his injuries in 2002? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 03:45 PM) His 2005 ba, obp, and slg were worse than his career numbers, so I don't so how you can call those "normal". And like I said before, he got more work in 2004 than ever before, plus he had the broken hand in 2005. There are a lot of other explanations for that year. 2003 is somewhat suspicious, just based on the numbers and the timing. But there's nothing else that I know of that points to him. What were his injuries in 2002? Dont know what his injuries were specifically, but he only played in 109 games and had the worst year in his career if he wasnt injured. Does anyone know of a website that lists a players injuries from year to year? Its tough to find that kind of info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 09:23 PM) Dont know what his injuries were specifically, but he only played in 109 games and had the worst year in his career if he wasnt injured. Does anyone know of a website that lists a players injuries from year to year? Its tough to find that kind of info. Yeah, only reason I ask is because of the steroids suspicion. Here's what the MLB bio has for injuries that year -- "On DL Aug. 1-16 with inflammation of right shoulder and missed 8 straight games Aug. 31-Sept. 8 with same ailment; strained AC joint in right shoulder July 21 at Phi." Dunno, I don't think steroids would help much with those injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHAMBARONS Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Javy had shoulder problems in 02, I believe it came on a throw (don't quote me on that). I do know he tried to play through it but after awhile he started pressing then started to chase the breaking pitch. He came back late in the season and had a great playoff series hitting a couple of bombs which set the stage of 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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