State of the Union Thread

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Politics aside, Im most pleased with the President getting serious about ramping up alternative energy research. That, above all, was what I wanted to hear.

[BigSqwert]

Politics aside, Im most pleased with the President getting serious about ramping up alternative energy research.  That, above all, was what I wanted to hear.

I concur. Hopefully it's not just talk.

[southsideirish71]

Politics aside, Im most pleased with the President getting serious about ramping up alternative energy research.  That, above all, was what I wanted to hear.

 

I am getting a hybrid this year. This and alternative fuels is the direction we should be going into.

[Texsox]

There is a better way. 

 

How about we leave the tax cuts for those who affect the economy.  The small business owner who will get boned if Dems try to repeal Bushes tax cuts.  Lets penalize those who make a buck, because its the democratic way. 

 

Capitalism and not socialism is the better way.

 

How is not paying taxes capitalism? How about balancing the budget instead of buying votes by promising you money and benefits? If a candidate paid each voter $50 he'd be in jail, if he promises to give everyone $50 in tax cuts and have someone else pay for it, he's a genious. Somebody had to pay for those cuts, with interest and it's going to be you and me.

 

We pay taxes to pay for our government, we don't collect taxes to stimulate the economy.

 

Let's not pay for anything, let's borrow trillions of dollars, that's the Republican way.

 

Amazing that now it's the Democrats that want to balance a budget and the Republicans that keep promising someone else will pay the taxes in the future.

[BigSqwert]

How is not paying taxes capitalism? How about balancing the budget instead of buying votes by promising you money and benefits? If a candidate paid each voter $50 he'd be in jail, if he promises to give everyone $50 in tax cuts and have someone else pay for it, he's a genious. Somebody had to pay for those cuts, with interest and it's going to be you and me.

 

We pay taxes to pay for our government, we don't collect taxes to stimulate the economy.

 

Let's not pay for anything, let's borrow trillions of dollars, that's the Republican way.

 

Amazing that now it's the Democrats that want to balance a budget and the Republicans that keep promising someone else will pay the taxes in the future.

Spoken like a prodigy.

 

[Texsox]

Typical liberalism right there.  Lets take from the producers and give it to the non-producers.

 

Typical GOP, let's not pay for anything, run up huge debts to foreign banks, and pretend that someone else will come in and pay for it. We are giving it to Iraq (a non-producer) care to stop that huge expense?

[LowerCaseRepublican]

What was with that Rock-esque eyebrow from Tim Kaine? If you smelllllllllll what Tim Kaine is cookin'!

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

How is not paying taxes capitalism? How about balancing the budget instead of buying votes by promising you money and benefits? If a candidate paid each voter $50 he'd be in jail, if he promises to give everyone $50 in tax cuts and have someone else pay for it, he's a genious. Somebody had to pay for those cuts, with interest and it's going to be you and me.

 

We pay taxes to pay for our government, we don't collect taxes to stimulate the economy.

 

Let's not pay for anything, let's borrow trillions of dollars, that's the Republican way.

 

Amazing that now it's the Democrats that want to balance a budget and the Republicans that keep promising someone else will pay the taxes in the future.

 

 

How about making the government do with less before making the people do with less.

[BigSqwert]

What was with that Rock-esque eyebrow from Tim Kaine?  If you smelllllllllll what Tim Kaine is cookin'!

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Typical GOP, let's not pay for anything, run up huge debts to foreign banks, and pretend that someone else will come in and pay for it. We are giving it to Iraq (a non-producer) care to stop that huge expense?

 

 

Oh, I suppose you could say the same about Afghanistan.

 

 

Sure.......we have absolutely no interest at all there.

[southsideirish71]

How is not paying taxes capitalism? How about balancing the budget instead of buying votes by promising you money and benefits? If a candidate paid each voter $50 he'd be in jail, if he promises to give everyone $50 in tax cuts and have someone else pay for it, he's a genious. Somebody had to pay for those cuts, with interest and it's going to be you and me.

 

We pay taxes to pay for our government, we don't collect taxes to stimulate the economy.

 

Let's not pay for anything, let's borrow trillions of dollars, that's the Republican way.

 

Amazing that now it's the Democrats that want to balance a budget and the Republicans that keep promising someone else will pay the taxes in the future.

 

 

So if someone works their ass off, makes sacrifices to become successful they should be boned because they got ahead. Lets penalize you for being successful. You make more money you can afford it.

[Flash Tizzle]

Tim Kaine is good. The Bush speech is pretty solid too (I'm on page three)

I'm not a democrat, but I agree. Kaine must have experience in practicing law--or selling used cars. He emphasized certain points well at certain junctures in his speech with facial expressions and hang gestures. You can teach this, yes, but it goes a long way to convincing people you're genuine.

Edited February 1, 2006 by Flash Tizzle

[Rex Kickass]

I think its great that the Bush administration set a goal - and a lofty one for energy policy in his speech. I just hope that he follows through. Previous energy policy from the administration has illustrated the opposite.

 

I think its great that the President is all about AIDS research too.

 

I think he talked a pretty good game today, but it is ultimately political theater. Has been since the beginning of the 20th century when the State of the Union became an address rather than a letter. A lot of good things I heard tonight. If he follows through, great. If he doesn't, it'll be like every other State of the Union since Ford was actually honest in 1975 and said the "State of the Union was not good."

[Texsox]

So if someone works their ass off, makes sacrifices to become successful they should be boned because they got ahead.  Lets penalize you for being successful.  You make more money you can afford it.

 

So they shouldn't pay any taxes? Or they should pay the taxes that Bush thinks is correct?

 

Who is going to pay to run the government then? We are running up these huge debts, if we cut the taxes of those Americans with the most resources, shall we take more from those making $30,000?

[LowerCaseRepublican]

So if someone works their ass off, makes sacrifices to become successful they should be boned because they got ahead.  Lets penalize you for being successful.  You make more money you can afford it.

But you get penalized for paying for a bloated military industrial complex, price gouging by Halliburton, misappropriated funds in Iraq, etc. yet speaking out against that is somehow construed as "leftist" (although critics are both right and left) propaganda. It is amazing. If penalties for being successful are bad, then speak out against these too.

[Rex Kickass]

I'm not a democratic, but I agree. Kaine must have extended experience in practicing law--or selling used cars. He emphasized certain points well at certain junctures in his speech with facial expressions and hang gestures. You can teach this, yes, but it goes a long way to convincing people you're genuine.

He better be, he's probably gonna be on the short list for VP candidates in 08.

 

Oh and to Kap, if you were listening, he was producing ideas, solutions, plans. More than I've heard from the average opposition response in a decade of paying attention.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

He better be, he's probably gonna be on the short list for VP candidates in 08.

 

Oh and to Kap, if you were listening, he was producing ideas, solutions, plans. More than I've heard from the average  opposition response in a decade of paying attention.

 

 

He spent most of his speech comparing the Federal Government to Virginia.......which you may as well be comparing apples to oranges. I didnt hear him say much of anything that resembled an agenda for taking America forward.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

But you get penalized for paying for a bloated military industrial complex, price gouging by Halliburton, misappropriated funds in Iraq, etc. yet speaking out against that is somehow construed as "leftist" (although critics are both right and left) propaganda.  It is amazing.  If penalties for being successful are bad, then speak out against these too.

 

 

Yeah, that bloated military industrial complex which is doing 10 times as much with about 2/3rds of the people. Paying up to get our people the best equipment doesn't make the military bloated.

 

 

You and people like you just love to talk out of both sides of your mouth. One side of your mouth is yelling for more body armor for the troops and the other side is wanting to cut billions from the defense budget.

[Texsox]

Yeah,  that bloated military industrial complex which is doing 10 times as much with about 2/3rds of the people.  Paying up to get our people the best equipment doesn't make the military bloated.

You and people like you just love to talk out of both sides of your mouth.  One side of your mouth is yelling for more body armor for the troops and the other side is wanting to cut billions from the defense budget.

Wow. 10 times the results with 2/3 the people. And Republcans complained when Clinton cut the military, they said it couldn't be done. Gotta have faith in the military.

 

Kind of like people that claim there is waste in all areas of the government, EXCEPT, the military. Maybe not cutting taxes would make it easier to pay for all this. But that isn't the Republican plan, you have to give everyone a tax cut while spending more money. That's fiscally responsible as long as you can convince people someone else (not anyone wealthy) will pay for it later.

[Rex Kickass]

The better wayis to focus on service. It's about measuring what we do in terms of real results for real people. It's not about partisanship or political spin. It's about protecting the rights endowed by our Creator;fulfilling the principle of equality set out in our Declaration of Independence; ensuring that the light of liberty shines on every American.

 

If we want to replace the divisionthat grips our nation's capital, we need a change. Democrats are leading that reform effort, working to restore honesty and openness to our government, working to replace a culture of partisanship and cronyism with an ethic of service and results.

 

Our greatest need is for America to heal its partisan wounds and become one people. You know, those are the words Thomas Jefferson wrote after being elected President. They ring as true today as they did in 1800. Tonight we pray, earnestly and humbly, for that healing, and for the day whenservice returns again as the better way to a new national politics.

 

This is why his speech was good. And because he took a look at real-life solutions that states are doing. Where the Dems have more strength is in state government. A lot of the problems that individual states have are smaller versions of the same problems that the Feds have. Sometimes, they're caused by recent legislation by the Federal government. Often times when states have faced challenges, the solutions they've found have been adopted by the federal government. For example, a lot of the welfare reform programs were taken from Wisconsin's pilot programs put to task in the early 1990s.

[southsideirish71]

Kind of like people that claim there is waste in all areas of the government, EXCEPT, the military. Maybe not cutting taxes would make it easier to pay for all this. But that isn't the Republican plan, you have to give everyone a tax cut while spending more money. That's fiscally responsible as long as you can convince people someone else (not anyone wealthy) will pay for it later.

 

Its odd, the money that gets reinvested into the economy to purchase or to invest in your business. That money isnt taxed?

 

People think that the tax break immediately means that Joe Rich guy is stuffing his mattress with money or rolling around in it. Most of that money is reinvested in the economy and that helps to make more money which then allows for more tax dollars to be collected.

Edited February 1, 2006 by southsideirish71

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Kind of like people that claim there is waste in all areas of the government, EXCEPT, the military. Maybe not cutting taxes would make it easier to pay for all this. But that isn't the Republican plan, you have to give everyone a tax cut while spending more money. That's fiscally responsible as long as you can convince people someone else (not anyone wealthy) will pay for it later.

 

 

There is no such thing as a perfect government program but I think you can look elsewhere and find far worse in the way of fraud and abuse.

 

 

Example:

 

I was in my accounting class earlier this evening and my professor once worked as an auditor for Medicaid in NY State. He told us a time he investigated a doctor who had billed Medicaid for 1 million dollars worth of care he did not provide. This doctor was caught and was allowed to get by paying 5000 a month in restitution to the government. After 2 months he left the state of NY and was never heard from again.

 

This is 1 doctor doing this.

 

Our socialist entitlement programs waste more money in a week than the DOD probably wastes all year.

Edited February 1, 2006 by NUKE_CLEVELAND

[Texsox]

Its odd, the money that gets reinvested into the economy to purchase or to invest in your business.  That money isnt taxed?

 

Who is paying those taxes?

 

Show me how $1 cut becomes more than $1 paid in taxes later. Plus the $1 not taken in, and added to the debt, increases.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Who is paying those taxes?

 

Show me how $1 cut becomes more than $1 paid in taxes later. Plus the $1 not taken in, and added to the debt, increases.

 

 

How about you first show me how tax cuts are so bad when revenue is increasing.

 

 

We have a defecit because government cant control its spending.

Edited February 1, 2006 by NUKE_CLEVELAND

[Rex Kickass]

Interesting flash poll from CBS. 700 Watchers approved of the speech 77-23. However only 32 percent of those watchers thought that those goals would be accomplished.