NorthSideSox72 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 01:17 PM) Who controls what stories the people hear? the people who read the stories. Its simple marketing. If newsies reported stuff no one read, they'd go out of business. Yes, papers/tv stations/radio stations have to make choices, but they do it in their own best interests. That means delivering the product people want. If they ignore a story they don't like for whatever reasons you are indicating, then someone else will report it, and if they get more traffic... there you go. Simple business. They will deliver what sells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 01:20 PM) The White House when they can, for one. There is that. Reporters can only get to information they are allowed to access. So if there is an exception to the rule I stated, its government restriction. And somehow, I don't think the White House is employing any liberal bias on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20060...02148-1710r.htm This is absolutely right on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 01:27 PM) http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20060...02148-1710r.htm This is absolutely right on the money. The newsies were in a fury because this issue was about the way it was reported. That is the one thing they can, and will, get personally involved in. All those other issues (which are all over the news too) require reporting, so they report it. The author misses that important distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Only in this forum can the Vice President shoot a 78 year old man and the media gets blamed. Kap, I know where you are with this, but I can't see why you wouldn't be at least a little concerned that the White House can't see itself fit to notify people when the VP accidentally shoots someone. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. If they'd just said something in the first place - we'd all have laughed and moved on by now. In fact if it wasn't for so many people blasting the media for being upset that they weren't informed about a shooting that didn't even have a police report filed on it for over 24 hours, when it involved the Vice President, we'd have already forgotten about this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 06:36 PM) Only in this forum can the Vice President shoot a 78 year old man and the media gets blamed. Kap, I know where you are with this, but I can't see why you wouldn't be at least a little concerned that the White House can't see itself fit to notify people when the VP accidentally shoots someone. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. If they'd just said something in the first place - we'd all have laughed and moved on by now. In fact if it wasn't for so many people blasting the media for being upset that they weren't informed about a shooting that didn't even have a police report filed on it for over 24 hours, when it involved the Vice President, we'd have already forgotten about this story. It IS a story, but it's a small story. That's my point. Now that the media is pissed off, it's a HUGE story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 So then we agree. OK! /thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 13, 2006 -> 06:07 AM) Notice that no Dem has even really talked about the accident, it seems like a non-issue to me. Accidents happen, it is a shame. The only ones talking about making it a political issue are Taa Daa, the GOPerheads around hear. Didn't think I'd forget this, did you Tex? Just from a link posted earlier by Balta-- http://www.rollcall.com/issues/51_83/hoh/12174-1.html “Let the record show, when John Kerry hunts, only the birds get shot,” Kerry spokesman David Wade said, adding, “Maybe he was aiming at the special prosecutor.” (Dear Mr. Fitzgerald, this is only a joke. Please do not issue a subpoena. Love, HOH.) Meanwhile, other Senate Democratic aides dug up a Houston Chronicle story from August 2000 in which then-candidate George W. Bush talked of the importance of having a vice presidential running mate “who is going to shoot straight with the American people, and Dick Cheney is a straight-shooter.” Suffice it say, that reputation is in tatters. Some giddy Senate Democrats have dubbed the veep “Dead-Eye Dick.” I'm sure there will be more to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 11:47 AM) Didn't think I'd forget this, did you Tex? Just from a link posted earlier by Balta-- http://www.rollcall.com/issues/51_83/hoh/12174-1.html I'm sure there will be more to follow. So the only ones allowed to joke about this are Republicans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Didn't Scot McClellan wear a safety orange tie to the Press Conference on Monday to try and joke this off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Maureen Dowd: February 15, 2006 Op-Ed Columnist Shooter Slips on a Silencer By MAUREEN DOWD WASHINGTON Who did this old guy think he was, coming between Dick Cheney and his helpless prey? The luckless 78-year-old Texas lawyer, Harry Whittington, is in intensive care after a heart attack, with up to 200 pellets riddling his face and body - one stuck in his heart - from Dick Cheney's designer Perazzi Brescia shotgun. And still his friend, the vice president, is Swift-BB-ing him. Private citizens have been enlisted to blame the victim. Maybe poor Mr. Whittington put himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. But he was, after all, behind Vice, not in front of him. And the hunter pulling the trigger is supposed to make sure he has a clear shot. Wouldn't it be, well, classy for Shooter to express just a bit of contrition and humility? Instead, the usual sliming has begun, with the Cheney camp trying to protect the vice president by casting a veteran hunter as Elmer Dud. Scott McClellan told the White House press corps that Katharine Armstrong, a lobbyist with government ties who owns the Texas ranch (and whose mother, Anne, was on the Halliburton board that hired Mr. Cheney as C.E.O.), "pointed out that the protocol was not followed by Mr. Whittington when it came to notifying the others that he was there." As the story of the weekend's bizarre hunting accident is wrenched out of the White House, the picture isn't pretty: With American soldiers dying in Iraq, Five-Deferment Dick "I Had Other Priorities in the 60's Than Military Service" Cheney gets his macho kicks gunning down little birds and the occasional old man while W. rides his bike, blissfully oblivious to any collateral damage. Shouldn't these guys work on weekends until we figure out how to fix Iraq, New Orleans, Medicare and gas prices? This version of "The Most Dangerous Game" neatly follows the four-step Bush-Cheney cycle: Step 1: Set out to pick off what you think is an easy target, like quail this time or pen-raised and netted pheasant in the past, or a certain sanction-caged Iraqi dictator. Step 2: In the corrupt company of lobbyist-contractor friends, botch things up. Ignore the peril at hand - as with, oh, Osama at Tora Bora, or Katrina, or the Iraq occupation - and with steely resolve, indulge your raging incompetence. (Oops.) Step 3: Stonewall. Resist giving Congress information about 9/11 or Katrina; don't tell the public how you're tapping phones at home, setting up gulags abroad and making war and energy policy in secret. Why give the taxpayers, who are ponying up for these weekend hunting trips, the extraordinary news that Vice shot his hunting companion in the face and chest? Scott McClellan knew before yesterday's White House briefing at noon that Mr. Whittington was worse, but did not tell the reporters. He left that to Corpus Christi doctors, who spun the heart attack as "an inflammatory response to a metallic foreign BB." Step 4: Admit no mistakes. Express sympathy. Blame the victim without leaving fingerprints by outsourcing the smear to the private sector. Trent Lott joked in a meeting yesterday that Mr. Cheney was now the "shooter in chief," while other wags noted that Quayle was always a problem for Bushes. Presidential staff members and lawmakers speculated yesterday about whether Shooter would resign and make room for Condi if Mr. Whittington did not survive. His death would trigger a more thorough police investigation and probably a grand jury. "Are you crazy?" one Republican senator told a reporter. "He'd never quit." (Aaron Burr presided over the Senate after he killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel.) The shooter in chief can't quit because he is the administration. Who'd even tell him to quit? If necessary, he'd probably make W. take the fall. Despite efforts by Mr. McClellan to joke and urge reporters to get back to "the pressing priorities of the American people," the hunting debacle once more showed Mr. Cheney running the imperial show. He didn't talk to the sheriff for 14 hours, or even call the president to notify him after the 5:50 p.m. accident. Vice left that to Andy Card, who called Mr. Bush at 7:30 p.m. to say there had been a hunting accident, without mentioning that Vice was the gunman. Soon after that, Karl Rove called Mr. Bush back with that little detail. A reporter, surprised, pressed Mr. McClellan: "The vice president did not call the president to tell him he was the shooter?" Usually when there's a White House cover-up, the president's in on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 02:29 PM) Maureen Dowd: February 15, 2006 Op-Ed Columnist Shooter Slips on a Silencer By MAUREEN DOWD WASHINGTON Who did this old guy think he was, coming between Dick Cheney and his helpless prey? The luckless 78-year-old Texas lawyer, Harry Whittington, is in intensive care after a heart attack, with up to 200 pellets riddling his face and body - one stuck in his heart - from Dick Cheney's designer Perazzi Brescia shotgun. And still his friend, the vice president, is Swift-BB-ing him. Private citizens have been enlisted to blame the victim. Maybe poor Mr. Whittington put himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. But he was, after all, behind Vice, not in front of him. And the hunter pulling the trigger is supposed to make sure he has a clear shot. Wouldn't it be, well, classy for Shooter to express just a bit of contrition and humility? Instead, the usual sliming has begun, with the Cheney camp trying to protect the vice president by casting a veteran hunter as Elmer Dud. Scott McClellan told the White House press corps that Katharine Armstrong, a lobbyist with government ties who owns the Texas ranch (and whose mother, Anne, was on the Halliburton board that hired Mr. Cheney as C.E.O.), "pointed out that the protocol was not followed by Mr. Whittington when it came to notifying the others that he was there." As the story of the weekend's bizarre hunting accident is wrenched out of the White House, the picture isn't pretty: With American soldiers dying in Iraq, Five-Deferment Dick "I Had Other Priorities in the 60's Than Military Service" Cheney gets his macho kicks gunning down little birds and the occasional old man while W. rides his bike, blissfully oblivious to any collateral damage. Shouldn't these guys work on weekends until we figure out how to fix Iraq, New Orleans, Medicare and gas prices? This version of "The Most Dangerous Game" neatly follows the four-step Bush-Cheney cycle: Step 1: Set out to pick off what you think is an easy target, like quail this time or pen-raised and netted pheasant in the past, or a certain sanction-caged Iraqi dictator. Step 2: In the corrupt company of lobbyist-contractor friends, botch things up. Ignore the peril at hand - as with, oh, Osama at Tora Bora, or Katrina, or the Iraq occupation - and with steely resolve, indulge your raging incompetence. (Oops.) Step 3: Stonewall. Resist giving Congress information about 9/11 or Katrina; don't tell the public how you're tapping phones at home, setting up gulags abroad and making war and energy policy in secret. Why give the taxpayers, who are ponying up for these weekend hunting trips, the extraordinary news that Vice shot his hunting companion in the face and chest? Scott McClellan knew before yesterday's White House briefing at noon that Mr. Whittington was worse, but did not tell the reporters. He left that to Corpus Christi doctors, who spun the heart attack as "an inflammatory response to a metallic foreign BB." Step 4: Admit no mistakes. Express sympathy. Blame the victim without leaving fingerprints by outsourcing the smear to the private sector. Trent Lott joked in a meeting yesterday that Mr. Cheney was now the "shooter in chief," while other wags noted that Quayle was always a problem for Bushes. Presidential staff members and lawmakers speculated yesterday about whether Shooter would resign and make room for Condi if Mr. Whittington did not survive. His death would trigger a more thorough police investigation and probably a grand jury. "Are you crazy?" one Republican senator told a reporter. "He'd never quit." (Aaron Burr presided over the Senate after he killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel.) The shooter in chief can't quit because he is the administration. Who'd even tell him to quit? If necessary, he'd probably make W. take the fall. Despite efforts by Mr. McClellan to joke and urge reporters to get back to "the pressing priorities of the American people," the hunting debacle once more showed Mr. Cheney running the imperial show. He didn't talk to the sheriff for 14 hours, or even call the president to notify him after the 5:50 p.m. accident. Vice left that to Andy Card, who called Mr. Bush at 7:30 p.m. to say there had been a hunting accident, without mentioning that Vice was the gunman. Soon after that, Karl Rove called Mr. Bush back with that little detail. A reporter, surprised, pressed Mr. McClellan: "The vice president did not call the president to tell him he was the shooter?" Usually when there's a White House cover-up, the president's in on it. You know what, I've been pretty reasonable throughout this whole thing and especially throughout this whole thread, but this is just a bunch of buills***. :rolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 The last two graphs are pretty funny. The rest is bulls***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 12:57 PM) The last two graphs are pretty funny. The rest is bulls***. So in other words, it's a Maureen Dowd column. We already knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 (edited) QUESTION: You asked him about alcohol being consumed on premises. HUME: I did. QUESTION: And what did he say about that? HUME: He said he had a beer at lunch and that had been many hours earlier. And it was dusk, around 5:00 p.m., when this incident happened. And he said that, you know, they had lunch out in the field, a barbecue, and he had a beer. But you said you don’t hunt with people who have been drinking. He said no one was drinking. He said they went back to the ranch afterwards, took a break after that, and went out about 3:00 and so you’re four or five hours distanced from the last alcohol that he consumed. And he said no one was drinking, not he nor anyone else. Brit Hume, being interviewed about his interview with Cheney. Link with video. So yeah...I think that might be a bit important here. Edited February 15, 2006 by Balta1701 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Cheney accepts blame Cheney said he was to blame. "You can talk about all of the other conditions that existed at the time, but that's the bottom line. And it's not Harry's fault. You can't blame anybody else," Cheney said. "Ultimately, I'm the guy who pulled the trigger and shot my friend." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mplssoxfan Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mplssoxfan Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 06:48 PM) Nice! I'm not switching from my M. O. -- I stole it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 He should accept the blame, it was an accident, it was his fault. But much to the dismay of the democrats, this isn't going to get Bush or Cheney out of office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 05:19 PM) He should accept the blame, it was an accident, it was his fault. But much to the dismay of the democrats, this isn't going to get Bush or Cheney out of office. You mean shooting a guy in the face is not an impeachable offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 08:26 PM) You mean shooting a guy in the face is not an impeachable offense? Only blowjobs can be considered impeachable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 08:28 PM) Only blowjobs can be considered impeachable. Shooting people, its ok. Getting blowjobs though?! How dare you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 07:28 PM) Only blowjobs can be considered impeachable. Or lying........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 08:41 PM) Or lying........ Does that include not telling the press that you shot someone in the face until 18 hours after the event? And then not accepting blame for the event until today? Edited February 16, 2006 by Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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