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I started a thread on this earlier today but it looks like it didn't take.

 

Virtually all the talk about Sox lineup changes have revolved around moving Uribe to no. 2 and Iguchi down to anywhere between no. 5 and 7, and some talk of putting BA in the no. 8 slot, moving Crede down to 9 to give the rookie a chance to see more pitches.

 

But what to do with the 3, 4, 5 slots?

 

We've got Paulie, a career no. 4 hitter, whose best years have been at that spot behind Thomas and no. 5 behind Ordoñez, and in whose limitid time at the slot hasn't produced as well at no. 3.

 

We've got Thome who was ostensibly brought in to protect Paulie in the order, but is a career no. 3 hitter with his best production in that slot.

 

We've got Dye who has hit everywhere between 3-6, and did well enough in the 3-slot to garner a World Series MVP.

 

It'd make the most sense to me to bat them in the order of Thome-Konerko-Dye, but of course this is all conjecture because Ozzie spent the entire season fiddling with the batting order every few days anyway.

 

With all this taken into account, I'd envision something close to:

 

Podsednik

Uribe

Thome

Konerko

Dye

Pierzynski

Iguchi

Anderson

Crede

 

Thoughts?

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QUOTE(Drew @ Feb 14, 2006 -> 05:26 PM)
I started a thread on this earlier today but it looks like it didn't take.

 

Virtually all the talk about Sox lineup changes have revolved around moving Uribe to no. 2 and Iguchi down to anywhere between no. 5 and 7, and some talk of putting BA in the no. 8 slot, moving Crede down to 9 to give the rookie a chance to see more pitches.

 

But what to do with the 3, 4, 5 slots?

 

We've got Paulie, a career no. 4 hitter, whose best years have been at that spot behind Thomas and no. 5 behind Ordoñez, and in whose limitid time at the slot hasn't produced as well at no. 3.

 

We've got Thome who was ostensibly brought in to protect Paulie in the order, but is a career no. 3 hitter with his best production in that slot.

 

We've got Dye who has hit everywhere between 3-6, and did well enough in the 3-slot to garner a World Series MVP.

 

It'd make the most sense to me to bat them in the order of Thome-Konerko-Dye, but of course this is all conjecture because Ozzie spent the entire season fiddling with the batting order every few days anyway.

 

With all this taken into account, I'd envision something close to:

 

Podsednik

Uribe

Thome

Konerko

Dye

Pierzynski

Iguchi

Anderson

Crede

 

Thoughts?

 

I'd flip flop Pierzynski and Gooch. I agree with everything else.

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QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Feb 14, 2006 -> 07:01 PM)
Podsednik

Uribe

Thome

Konerko

Dye

Iguchi

Pierzynski

Anderson

Crede

 

I think Dye should start the year at #3 because of how he did in the post season. Also he must run better than Thome.

Also AJ should be ahead of Iguchi so the order goes right left right.

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QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 14, 2006 -> 06:35 PM)
Sounds like the Sox brass want a 3-5 of:

 

Dye

Konerko

Thome

Can anyone else attest to this?

 

The trib had an article either Saturday or Sunday that implied Dye was the 5th hitter. That Oz might want some protect for Dye, so moving Gooch down would do that...Something like that.

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QUOTE(sircaffey @ Feb 14, 2006 -> 06:37 PM)
The trib had an article either Saturday or Sunday that implied Dye was the 5th hitter.  That Oz might want some protect for Dye, so moving Gooch down would do that...Something like that.

 

Fair enough.

 

It's just that the things I've been hearding would suggest otherwise.

 

If we're guessing:

 

Podsednik

Uribe

Dye

Konerko

Thome

Iguchi

Pierzynski

Crede

Anderson

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I personally don't see why there would be a benefit to putting Jermaine in the 3 hole.  .380+ OBP in front of Pauly instead of a .330 OBP is quite a difference.  Also, Jermaine provides solid protection for Pauly as well.  What is the benefit for Dye hitting 3rd?

It wouldn't make much sense. Dye is the third best hitter among Thome, Konerko, and Dye. He should bat fifth.

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QUOTE(sircaffey @ Feb 14, 2006 -> 06:43 PM)
Pods

Uribe

Dye

 

There would be a lot of 1-2-3 1st innings with those 3 going up there.  With our ridiculous record when we score first, I would think you'd want Thome in the 1st inning, but that's just my opinion.

 

I absolutely agree with you.

 

You keep the L-R-L with that lineup, you have a guy with a higher on base, and can protect him with both Paulie and Dye...it makes a whole lot of sense to me.

 

But, just remember...

 

"I make tha damng lineup"

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QUOTE(3E8 @ Feb 14, 2006 -> 08:58 PM)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ozzie Me
   
Pods Pods
Uribe Iguchi
Thome Thome
Konerko Konerko
Dye Dye
AJ Crede
Uribe AJ
Anderson Uribe
Crede Anderson

 

Ozzie really loves Uribe, doesn't he? :P

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The difference between the #3 and #5 hitter also means about 40-50 ABs a year. Would the Sox rather have Thome or Dye getting those ABs? It would make more sense to have Thome in that spot.

 

I like:

 

Podsednik - L

Uribe

Thome - L

Konerko

Dye

Iguchi

Pierzynski - L

Anderson

Crede

 

Also, Mackowiak can come in and pinch hit to add another LH bat to the lineup.

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There is no good reason to bat Dye 3rd. Thome and Konerko are both far better hitters than he is. The only argument being made here is that Dye batted 3rd last season - well, that was true because we didn't have Jim Thome (we had Jurassic Carl). With Thome in there, he makes the most sense, and Williams has said so.

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QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 08:59 AM)
There is no good reason to bat Dye 3rd.  Thome and Konerko are both far better hitters than he is.  The only argument being made here is that Dye batted 3rd last season - well, that was true because we didn't have Jim Thome (we had Jurassic Carl).  With Thome in there, he makes the most sense, and Williams has said so.

I think his good reason to think that is because the 16-1 tear we went on with Dye in the 3-hole.

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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 10:18 AM)
I think his good reason to think that is because the 16-1 tear we went on with Dye in the 3-hole.

 

I wouldn't put streak that in Dye's lap. Nothing on Dye, he's exactly what we need in RF and the 5 slot, but he just isn't in the same league as a 3-hitter that Thome is (assuming Thome is healhty).

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