Just when I thought I couldnt hate the UN anymore

[Rex Kickass]

Girls, you're both pretty.

[samclemens]

I said nothing about US citizens.  If we arrest a foreign citizen, can we just hold them indefinitely?  If some tourist is arrested in New York for a crime, can we do whatever we want to them because they are not US citizens and also not soldiers?

 

There is due process for foreigners, even if its not specified in the Constitution.  If the US decides it is OK to just treat these people in any way it chooses, then again, as I stated earlier, we have no ground to stand on INTERNATIONALLY as a country that protects personal freedoms.

 

So in your mind, a tourist who runs a red light in the US is equivalent to an Afghani running around Pakistan or Afghanistan with an AK-47 trying to kill our troops? please explain that one to me.

 

here's my opinion on the difference: one is a terrorist, and the other is not.

in response to all those network news claims about over half the detainees not bineg involved in violent acts: funding terrorists makes you a terrorist. theres no difference between those two crimes, both make you a terrorist (analogy: charles manson was convicted of murder even though he did not actually kill anyone).

 

for the record, and contrary to what i am getting from your post impliedly, i do not support the indefinite detention of even terrorists without a trial. however, i could give a rat's ass how long it takes for that to happen. you all know my position on this from my previous posts in this thread. these terrorists have no protection under the geneva convention or the US constitution, and as far as im concerned, they should consider themselves lucky they were not simply executed when they were captured, as our military had the legal right to do under the geneva convention.

 

why are the liberals in this thread stretching so far to hold the hand and wipe the ass of people that, given the chance, would kill you and celebrate it? just because you hate the president you hope to implement policies that would result in more troops dying. so lets release all the terrorists in guantanimo.

[NorthSideSox72]

So in your mind, a tourist who runs a red light in the US is equivalent to an Afghani running around Pakistan or Afghanistan with an AK-47 trying to kill our troops? please explain that one to me.

 

here's my opinion on the difference: one is a terrorist, and the other is not.

in response to all those network news claims about over half the detainees not bineg involved in violent acts: funding terrorists makes you a terrorist. theres no difference between those two crimes, both make you a terrorist (analogy: charles manson was convicted of murder even though he did not actually kill anyone).

 

for the record, and contrary to what i am getting from your post impliedly, i do not support the indefinite detention of even terrorists without a trial. however, i could give a rat's ass how long it takes for that to happen. you all know my position on this from my previous posts in this thread. these terrorists have no protection under the geneva convention or the US constitution, and as far as im concerned, they should consider themselves lucky they were not simply executed when they were captured, as our military had the legal right to do under the geneva convention.

 

why are the liberals in this thread stretching so far to hold the hand and wipe the ass of people that, given the chance, would kill you and celebrate it? just because you hate the president you hope to implement policies that would result in more troops dying. so lets release all the terrorists in guantanimo.

 

Your first paragraph is ridiculous hyperbole. I pointed out "criminals", not traffic violators. I was dealing in reality - you seem to want to deal in polarization.

 

Your third paragraph is self-contradictory. You say you do not support indefinite detention of "even terrorists", and then in the same paragraph, you say you could care less how long they are there and be lucky they weren't executed. Good thing you aren't part of our justice system.

 

And as for your last paragraph, you have got to be kidding. Try sticking to a legitimate point instead of insulting me. You think I'd want more people to die? You think I like these people? You think I hate the President? Come back to earth, please, if you want to discuss this issue rationally. The answer to all those questions is such an obvious "no" that I didn't think I needed to point it out... but there you go.

 

Being the United States, the purveyors of freedom, means being just and right. And yes, you better believe I think that means we give all people in our custody some degree of fair process, even if they are terrorists.