SSH2005 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 The best and worst of the off-season moves http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5328022 Thumbs up 1. The White Sox's acquisition of right-hander Javier Vazquez and $5 million from the Diamondbacks for pitcher Orlando Hernandez, reliever Luis Vizcaino and center-field prospect Chris Young. Good trade for both teams. By acquiring Vazquez, the White Sox wisely added another quality starting pitcher; their top four starters threw at least 236 innings last season, including playoffs. One or more could wear down this season. The Diamondbacks, meanwhile, cleared $19 million of Vazquez's remaining salary while acquiring Young, their center fielder of the future, and Vizcaino, a decent reliever. Whatever they get from "El Duque" will be a bonus. Quietly, new Diamondbacks GM Josh Byrnes had a productive first off-season. He also cleared $32 million in future salary by trading third baseman Troy Glaus and improved the team up the middle by obtaining catcher Johnny Estrada, second baseman Orlando Hudson and center fielders Eric Byrnes and Jeff DaVanon. The pitching remains a major concern. 2. The Brewers' acquisition of third baseman Corey Koskie and $7.25 million from the Blue Jays for Double-A right-hander Brian Wolfe. 3. The Padres' re-signing of free-agent right fielder Brian Giles to a three-year, $30 million contract and closer Trevor Hoffman and to a two-year, $13.5 million deal. 4. The Yankees' signing of free-agent right-hander Octavio Dotel to a one-year, $2 million contract and acquisition of left-hander Ron Villone from the Marlins for Class AA left-hander Ben Julianel. Thumbs down 1. The Nationals' acquisition of second baseman Alfonso Soriano from the Rangers for outfielder Brad Wilkerson and Terrmel Sledge and Double-A right-hander Armando Galarraga. 2. The Mets' loss of starting-pitching depth. 3. The Blue Jays' signings of free-agent right-hander A.J. Burnett and left-handed closer B.J. Ryan to five-year contracts worth a combined $102 million. 4. Virtually every other free-agent pitching signing. ● Billy Wagner, Mets, four years, $43 million. ● Jarrod Washburn, Mariners, four years, $37.5 million. ● Matt Morris, Giants, three years, $27 million. ● Esteban Loaiza, A's, three years, $21.375 million. ● Tom Gordon, Phillies, three years, $18 million. ● Kyle Farnsworth, Yankees, three years, $17 million. ● Bob Howry, Cubs, three years, $12 million. ● Scott Eyre, Cubs, three years, $11 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Feb 17, 2006 -> 10:04 PM) The best and worst of the off-season moves http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5328022 Ironically some guy said the Wagner signing was the best move of the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Feb 18, 2006 -> 12:26 AM) Ironically some guy said the Wagner signing was the best move of the offseason. Jayson Stark of Eastern Sports Predominantly Noted said that. Edited February 18, 2006 by Dam8610 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Feb 17, 2006 -> 11:26 PM) Ironically some guy said the Wagner signing was the best move of the offseason. I've heard it from more than 1 person, and all of the people saying this need to be made aware that cocaine isn't something you want to experiment with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 I am surpirsed not to see the Thome, Konerko, or Garland deals on there somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Feb 18, 2006 -> 04:30 AM) I am surpirsed not to see the Thome, Konerko, or Garland deals on there somewhere. Well Konerko and Garland are still on the same team, so that's why they aren't on there. As for Thome, that trade was a guy widely known as an average overall OF for a guy who was hurt most of last year, so people aren't too excited about that trade for either team outside of Phillies and Sox fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 18, 2006 -> 10:49 AM) Well Konerko and Garland are still on the same team, so that's why they aren't on there. As for Thome, that trade was a guy widely known as an average overall OF for a guy who was hurt most of last year, so people aren't too excited about that trade for either team outside of Phillies and Sox fans. If Konerko and Garland arn't eligible then Giles and Hoffman wouldn't be eligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilmot825 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Love how the Cubs always find ways to overpay for players that are not that good. Howry and Scott, never really were standouts last year. And they got raped with what they paid them both...lol, But hey go Cubs.....Cant wait to see these guys tank, AGAIN! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 I've heard it from more than 1 person, and all of the people saying this need to be made aware that cocaine isn't something you want to experiment with. As someone vaguely familiar with the charms of cocaine, I wouldn't say that. I would say "PCP" however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Feb 18, 2006 -> 06:48 PM) As someone vaguely familiar with the charms of cocaine, I wouldn't say that. I would say "PCP" however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 18, 2006 -> 11:46 AM) If Konerko and Garland arn't eligible then Giles and Hoffman wouldn't be eligible. Hmm ok. Guess they think we overpaid for Konerko and Garland based on last year and that Thome is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 18, 2006 -> 05:30 PM) Hmm ok. Guess they think we overpaid for Konerko and Garland based on last year and that Thome is done. If that were the case...then we'd have appeared on the "Worst" list. Somehow I get the feeling that those moves will turn out to be the best ones of the offseason, even better than the Vazquez deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 18, 2006 -> 11:46 PM) If that were the case...then we'd have appeared on the "Worst" list. Somehow I get the feeling that those moves will turn out to be the best ones of the offseason, even better than the Vazquez deal. ^^^ Thome short-term, Garland long-term, and Konerko both short and long-term. I view Vazquez much more as a luxury move, though perhaps even Vazquez was a good move long-term too, allowing the Sox to let Contreras go in the offseason is need be, and slipping McCarthy into the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted February 19, 2006 Author Share Posted February 19, 2006 ^^^ Thome short-term, Garland long-term, and Konerko both short and long-term. I view Vazquez much more as a luxury move, though perhaps even Vazquez was a good move long-term too, allowing the Sox to let Contreras go in the offseason is need be, and slipping McCarthy into the rotation. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Sox will have the rights to Vazquez for 3 seasons. He is under contract for 2006 and 2007 and arbitration-eligible in 2008 due to the trade. So we could have Vazquez for as long as Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Feb 19, 2006 -> 12:15 AM) The Sox will have the rights to Vazquez for 3 seasons. He is under contract for 2006 and 2007 and arbitration-eligible in 2008 due to the trade. So we could have Vazquez for as long as Garland. So basically yeah, probably long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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