SD state legislature voting to ban abortion

[Heads22]

Darn I forgot PRO CHOICE   

 

There's a difference and you know it.

[YASNY]

There's a difference and you know it.

 

Elaborate, please.

[minors]

There's a difference and you know it.

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Yeah one group lays their necks on the line and say they support killing of babies and the other group cowards under the pro choice label. Guess what I have much more respect for the group who sticks their necks on the line.

Edited February 24, 2006 by minors

[Balta1701]

Elaborate, please.

There are people who think that high numbers of abortions are a bad thing and that we should work as hard as possible to lower that number without making the procedure illegal, and there are people who don't a priori accept that having an abortion is a bad thing.

[NorthSideSox72]

Yeah one group lays their necks on the line and say they support killing of babies and the other group cowards under the pro choice label.

I am pro-choice, and pro-child. That is not cowardice or supporting the killing of babies. It means two things. One, I think life begins when the fetus has reached a point where it could live on its own - thus, an independent life form. The other thing it means to me is that, knowing the horrors of an abortion, I would never, ever recommend it or endorse it to anyone close to me. But ultimately, its not my choice.

[southsider2k5]

There must be plenty outhere because if not Abortion would not be legal

 

Ever hear of this funny little group of nine people called the Supreme Court?

[Rex Kickass]

Some pro-choice people believe that its immoral to jeopardize the health of someone already living outside of the womb to possibly save the life of someone living inside the womb because of law.

 

Some pro-choice people believe that this is primarily a public health issue and not a political one and feels that decisions should be left up to patients and doctors.

 

Some pro-choice people can't imagine having to be in the position of ever having to make that decision and sure as hell wouldn't feel right making that decision for them.

[minors]

Ever hear of this funny little group of nine people called the Supreme Court?

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Here's to hoping that they change their minds

[YASNY]

I am pro-choice, and pro-child.  That is not cowardice or supporting the killing of babies.  It means two things.  One, I think life begins when the fetus has reached a point where it could live on its own - thus, an independent life form.  The other thing it means to me is that, knowing the horrors of an abortion, I would never, ever recommend it or endorse it to anyone close to me.  But ultimately, its not my choice.

 

Just to make a point here, a full term baby could not survive on it's own.

[Rex Kickass]

It can however breathe independently of a mother.

[Queen Prawn]

Some pro-choice people can't imagine having to be in the position of ever having to make that decision and sure as hell wouldn't feel right making that decision for them.

 

Sounds kind of where I am on this topic. I, myself, do not believe in having abortions (except in cases of rape and incest), but I would not stop some one else from having one if they, themselves, are okay with it and can accept all the consequences that come with it. Who am I to force my beliefs on to them?

Edited February 24, 2006 by Queen Prawn

[NorthSideSox72]

Just to make a point here, a full term baby could not survive on it's own.

It can in the medical sense. That is my frame of reference here.

[YASNY]

Some pro-choice people believe that its immoral to jeopardize the health of someone already living outside of the womb to possibly save the life of someone living inside the womb because of law.

 

Some pro-choice people believe that this is primarily a public health issue and not a political one and feels that decisions should be left up to patients and doctors.

 

Some pro-choice people can't imagine having to be in the position of ever having to make that decision and sure as hell wouldn't feel right making that decision for them.

 

Some pro-life people agree with your first point. In fact, I believe most would.

 

Some pro-life people believe this is a contraception issue, not a public health issue.

 

As for your third point, I don't have a clue what you are saying.

[YASNY]

It can in the medical sense.  That is my frame of reference here.

 

Noted.

[Controlled Chaos]

I believe Late Term abortions need to go with the lone exception being the mothers health. How many are performed for other reasons?? We don't know. The pro-life crowd says many, the pro-choice crowd says very few. I can't really find stats on it.

 

I don't know....for me it's just so hard to see all those body parts and think it's not a baby.

 

Here's some pictures(graphic) I just found....they can help put some things into context

 

 

http://priestsforlife.org/resources/photosbyage/index.htm

http://priestsforlife.org/resources/photosassorted/index.htm

[NorthSideSox72]

I believe Late Term abortions need to go with the lone exception being the mothers health.  How many are performed for other reasons??  We don't know.  The pro-life crowd says many, the pro-choice crowd says very few.  I can't really find stats on it.

 

I don't know....for me it's just so hard to see all those body parts and think it's not a baby.

 

Here's some pictures(graphic) I just found....they can help put some things into context

http://priestsforlife.org/resources/photosbyage/index.htm

http://priestsforlife.org/resources/photosassorted/index.htm

Graphics aside, I agree about late-term abortions. The only ones that should be allowed are if the mother is in life-threatening danger. In that case, the law has no place - it should remain between mother, family and doctors.

[Rex Kickass]

From religioustolerance.org regarding the reason for D&X (Partial Birth) procedures.

 

1st Trimester: D&Xs are not performed during the first three months of pregnancy, because there are better ways to perform abortions. There is no need to follow a D&X procedure, because the fetus' head quite small at this stage of gestation and can be quite easily removed from the woman's uterus.

bullet 2nd Trimester: D&Xs are very rarely performed in the late second trimester at a time in the pregnancy before the fetus is viable. These, like most abortions, are performed for a variety of reasons, including:

bullet She is not ready to have a baby for whatever reason and has delayed her decision to have an abortion into the second trimester. As mentioned above, 90% of abortions are done in the first trimester.

bullet There are mental or physical health problems related to the pregnancy.

bullet The fetus has been found to be dead, badly malformed, or suffering from a very serious genetic defect. This is often only detectable late in the second trimester.

bullet 3rd Trimester: They are also very rarely performed in late pregnancy. The most common justifications at that time are:

bullet The fetus is dead.

bullet The fetus is alive, but continued pregnancy would place the woman's life in severe danger.

bullet The fetus is alive, but continued pregnancy would grievously damage the woman's health and/or disable her.

bullet The fetus is so malformed that it can never gain consciousness and will die shortly after birth. Many which fall into this category have developed a very severe form of hydrocephalus.

 

In addition, some physicians violate their state medical association's regulations and perform elective D&X procedures - primarily on women who are suicidally depressed.

 

There appears to be no reliable data available on how many D&X procedures are performed for each of the above reasons.

 

The physician is faced with two main alternatives at this late point in pregnancy:

bullet a hysterotomy, which is similar to a Cesarean section, or

bullet a D&X procedure

 

Estimates place the procedure to be somewhere around one quarter of one percent of pregnancy termination procedures overall.

[Controlled Chaos]

Graphics aside, I agree about late-term abortions.  The only ones that should be allowed are if the mother is in life-threatening danger.  In that case, the law has no place - it should remain between mother, family and doctors.

 

The mother may decide her childs life is more important then hers as well. It is a terribly tough decision for that family and I think it is entirely theirs to make.

[Controlled Chaos]

From religioustolerance.org regarding the reason for D&X (Partial Birth) procedures.

Estimates place the procedure to be somewhere around one quarter of one percent of pregnancy termination procedures overall.

 

From your site....About 140,000 second trimester abortions are performed yearly. They represent 9% of the total. Some are performed because the woman simply does not wish to remain pregnant.

 

 

That's way to many for me...I don't care if it's like only 9%. The 1.2 million/year number is too dam high. Abortion is not a form of birth control.

[YASNY]

From your site....About 140,000 second trimester abortions are performed yearly. They represent 9% of the total. Some are performed because the woman simply does not wish to remain pregnant.

That's way to many for me...I don't care if it's like only 9%.  The 1.2 million/year number is too dam high.  Abortion is not a form of birth control.

 

But isn't that what 'choice' is all about?

[Rex Kickass]

From your site....About 140,000 second trimester abortions are performed yearly. They represent 9% of the total. Some are performed because the woman simply does not wish to remain pregnant.

That's way to many for me...I don't care if it's like only 9%.  The 1.2 million/year number is too dam high.  Abortion is not a form of birth control.

 

D&X i thought is what we were talking about.

 

The second trimester is a weird place. The viability line lies in there, but its toward the later half... someone who's one week in their second trimester is in a vastly different part of their pregnancy than someone whos 23 weeks in.

[minors]

To have an abortion just to get rid of the baby is Murder plain and simple.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

To have an abortion just to get rid of the baby is Murder plain and simple.

Yet if you wait a few years and lethally inject him just to get rid of the person, it is "justice". Funny how that works.

[jasonxctf]

well put.

[Controlled Chaos]

Yet if you wait a few years and lethally inject him just to get rid of the person, it is "justice".  Funny how that works.

 

I don't know anyone that's for randomly walking up to someone and lethally injecting them. However, if that someone rapes and brutally murders someone...I'll be happy to pay for the syringe.

 

What a pathetic arguement the whole killing an unborn baby and killing a murderer is. Wish I can stay and chat about it, but I'm outtie.

 

Have a good weekend.