Annual mess with Cub fans day at my work II

[Allsox]

So let me get this straight you police your company's internet access but around World Series time you policed everyone but yourself. So even though company time is to be used for company business that policy is enforced by you for everyone but you.

 

Seems to me that this is akin to a police officer busting a dude for selling drugs then turning around and selling them himself.

 

Absolute power corrupts absolutely and yet many here applaud you. It's no wonder we distrust those in power because once we find ourselves in a position of power we often times abuse it also. When the shoe is on the other foot and we have something to gain personally all morals and ethics we claim to have are betrayed.

 

If this amusing act is seen as an abuse of power, I highly condone it!

[NorthSideSox72]

So let me get this straight you police your company's internet access but around World Series time you policed everyone but yourself. So even though company time is to be used for company business that policy is enforced by you for everyone but you.

 

Seems to me that this is akin to a police officer busting a dude for selling drugs then turning around and selling them himself.

 

Absolute power corrupts absolutely and yet many here applaud you. It's no wonder we distrust those in power because once we find ourselves in a position of power we often times abuse it also. When the shoe is on the other foot and we have something to gain personally all morals and ethics we claim to have are betrayed.

I think perhaps this is a bit over-dramatic.

 

But I do agree that it is childish and petty.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

If this amusing act is seen as an abuse of power, I highly condone it! 

I'm sure it was very amusing to those who couldn't use company time to purchase tickets but one individual could. Hypocrisy and and corruption always starts out small. The more you can get away with the more your attempts grow on a grander scale. Laugh if you want it just shows how morally bankrupt we've become. When we curse the generations to come look inwards because we are the ones who taught them.

[Sox1422]

So let me get this straight you police your company's internet access but around World Series time you policed everyone but yourself. So even though company time is to be used for company business that policy is enforced by you for everyone but you.

 

Seems to me that this is akin to a police officer busting a dude for selling drugs then turning around and selling them himself.

 

Absolute power corrupts absolutely and yet many here applaud you. It's no wonder we distrust those in power because once we find ourselves in a position of power we often times abuse it also. When the shoe is on the other foot and we have something to gain personally all morals and ethics we claim to have are betrayed.

Wow, you need to relax.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Wow, you need to relax.

 

I am totally relaxed. Was I serious or was I playing devils advocate ? Guess I'm the only one who knows for sure. Just food for thought.

[Phuck the Cubs]

Even cub fans are not dumb enough to argue this at work.  People who argue about this, are people who become suddenly unemployed.  Yes I know I am in accounting and that I am behind on my work, but I know that damn IT group is blocking me because I am a cubs fan.

 

Actually I dont have to provide a fair and balanced internet access forum.  Technically the Internet is to be used as a tool for work and work only.  When they were hired, and this is pretty much standard practice across most companies.  Our employees signed an acceptable use policy.  On there it says, use this for business use only and we can monitor and block as we seem fit.  First they would have to prove that I was doing this and was restricting their access based on the fact that they are a cubs fan.  Then they would need to explain to our owner that even though they were wasting company time, it really is unfair that I am blocking them because they are cub fans.  Then they would need to access our set of proxy servers and my intrusion prevention equipment(which only I have access to), and then after this they would have to know out of the 1000 filters I have applied looking for our trade secrets going out the door, this particluar line of python regex code is the one that pertains to their cubs ticket purchase.  Methinks that I have nothing to worry about. I have applied this to everyone in the company who uses our internet access.    Oddly enough my access is a bit different than everyone in the company.

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But you said that you do allow access to the White Sox stuff, and what if one those fans finds you writing this? They can easily check whitesox.com and find that they can access that site, yet cubs.com is blocked.

[Controlled Chaos]

I'm sure it was very amusing to those who couldn't use company time to purchase tickets but one individual could. Hypocrisy and and corruption always starts out small. The more you can get away with the more your attempts grow on a grander scale. Laugh if you want it just shows how morally bankrupt we've become. When we curse the generations to come look inwards because we are the ones who taught them.

 

Maybe we should move this to the buster. All kinds of morally bankrupt folk in there.......

 

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE

[Allsox]

To the morally objected:

 

Lighten up Frances!

[mr_genius]

I think perhaps this is a bit over-dramatic.

 

But I do agree that it is childish and petty.

 

 

^^^^

[southsideirish71]

So let me get this straight you police your company's internet access but around World Series time you policed everyone but yourself. So even though company time is to be used for company business that policy is enforced by you for everyone but you.

 

Seems to me that this is akin to a police officer busting a dude for selling drugs then turning around and selling them himself.

 

Absolute power corrupts absolutely and yet many here applaud you. It's no wonder we distrust those in power because once we find ourselves in a position of power we often times abuse it also. When the shoe is on the other foot and we have something to gain personally all morals and ethics we claim to have are betrayed.

 

 

I also read their email.

 

They sign an acceptable use policy. Oddly I dont have to apply to any of the rules of surfing at my company. When I was hired, I had a policy/waiver that was signed by HR, Legal and the CEO that basically said that I because of the nature of my job I can surf what I want, when I want, without reprecussions. This was something that I thought of due to the nature of what I do. I cant have polices telling me not to have pornography on my machine, when I perform forensics on peoples machines for porn violations. Due to the nature of my job I will have artifacts of porn on my machine. So being a bit creative during my hiring process I had this added to my offer. The only time this is nullfied is if I break any state or federal laws. Which I am not.

 

You can go back to being morally outraged now.

Edited February 24, 2006 by southsideirish71

[SSH2005]

I also read their email. 

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[NorthSideSox72]

I also read their email. 

Dude... you should be more careful than this. Just a friendly idea.

[Y2HH]

I'm an "IT" guy myself...actually I'm more than that, to just call myself an IT guy is weak. I run the lan/wan infrastructure and also the perimeter firewall/intrusion systems...so I have ultimate control, even over the remaining IT guys, since they control servers/systems and I still get to say what traffic goes where...I also get to say if the Proxy server has any actual control.

 

That said...this is a weak display of "IT" power, or abuse of said power. Blocking a persons access to purchase tickets...tsk tsk...maybe it's only me but I find this no different than power ticket brokers using their influence to get tickets off the table before they are available to the public. It's a weak form of brokering, and I dispise brokers and those that use underhanded tactics like them.

 

As for reading other employees e-mail, personal or business...I find this even worse. This is merely an admin abusing power he obviously isnt ready to have.

 

Although some of the others seem to disagree with me here and may feel free to buy you free beer and high-five you for such antics, I do not share in their celebration of this. It's weak. No beers for you. n00b.

Edited February 24, 2006 by Y2HH

[SSH2005]

n00b? Do you play World of Warcraft or something?

[Y2HH]

I agree. I've been an MMS Engineer/Adminstrator for years...I started on the internet back in 1992 before "web browsers" really existed...we were using things like LYNX and Archie still...

 

This is clearly an "IT" guy with more control than he is ready to handle.

 

Like I said in my previous post. No offense to you as a fan or as a person, but as for what you're doing there at your job...you're a n00b.

 

 

I'm sure it was very amusing to those who couldn't use company time to purchase tickets but one individual could. Hypocrisy and and corruption always starts out small. The more you can get away with the more your attempts grow on a grander scale. Laugh if you want it just shows how morally bankrupt we've become. When we curse the generations to come look inwards because we are the ones who taught them.

[Y2HH]

Yes, I do.

 

Pwnt.

 

 

n00b?  Do you play World of Warcraft or something?

[SSH2005]

I agree.  I've been an MMS Engineer/Adminstrator for years...I started on the internet back in 1992 before "web browsers" really existed...we were using things like LYNX and Archie still...

 

This is clearly an "IT" guy with more control than he is ready to handle.

 

Like I said in my previous post.  No offense to you as a fan or as a person, but as for what you're doing there at your job...you're a n00b.

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[Y2HH]

 

[southsideirish71]

I'm an "IT" guy myself...actually I'm more than that, to just call myself an IT guy is weak.  I run the lan/wan infrastructure and also the perimeter firewall/intrusion systems...so I have ultimate control, even over the remaining IT guys, since they control servers/systems and I still get to say what traffic goes where...I also get to say if the Proxy server has any actual control.

 

That said...this is a weak display of "IT" power, or abuse of said power.  Blocking a persons access to purchase tickets...tsk tsk...maybe it's only me but I find this no different than power ticket brokers using their influence to get tickets off the table before they are available to the public.  It's a weak form of brokering, and I dispise brokers and those that use underhanded tactics like them.

 

As for reading other employees e-mail, personal or business...I find this even worse.  This is merely an admin abusing power he obviously isnt ready to have.

 

Although some of the others seem to disagree with me here and may feel free to buy you free beer and high-five you for such antics, I do not share in their celebration of this.  It's weak.  No beers for you.  n00b.

 

 

The line about reading their email was half hearted and half real.

 

I am the security engineer. I perform security investigations on a daily basis. These require the collection and review of email, and I also perform forensic investigations, we also use key loggers to watch traffic, and use network sensors to catpure their conversations. I have assisted law enforcement in this, as a former law enforcement employee. I have testified in court for civil and criminal matters. So I have a firm understanding of what is and what isnt ethical.

 

I was playing a prank on cub fans. Give me a f***ing break.

[Steff]

Crystal clear in our company handbook that the company has the right to monitor all activity and read anything on their servers.

 

That's their job.

[NorthSideSox72]

The line about reading their email was half hearted and half real.

 

I am the security engineer.  I perform security investigations on a daily basis.  These require the collection and review of email, and I also perform forensic investigations, we also use key loggers to watch traffic, and use network sensors to catpure their conversations.  I have assisted law enforcement in this, as a former law enforcement employee.  I have testified in court for civil and criminal matters.  So I have a firm understanding of what is and what isnt ethical. 

 

I was playing a prank on cub fans.  Give me a f***ing break.

For your sake, I hope there aren't any Sox fans in your office who use this site. Because it would be pretty easy to interpolate who you are, based on your profile information. Your law enforcement experience should tell you that.

 

You are taking a real chance of being found out, my friend, and unless you are boinking the boss, I'm guessing you'd get disciplined or fired for arbitrarily reading emails and screwing with people.

[NorthSideSox72]

Crystal clear in our company handbook that the company has the right to monitor all activity and read anything on their servers.

 

That's their job.

For company purposes. But if someone's emails are being read arbitrarily, thats a big old lawsuit waiting to happen. And if they found out their IT guy was weilding his power this way, most companies would not be happy.

[Y2HH]

It's just a harsh prank to play...considering you get one shot at tickets before you have to pay some f***tard of a broker 4x their face value.

 

Sounds like you guys have a lot of disk space abound...keyloggers and sniffers tend to capture a f***ton of nonsensical data. Lot's of busywork to perform analysis on these in a grainular fashion outside of standard signature hits. At least you know your job...but still man, harsh prank.

 

Maybe you're not a n00b...but, nah...you're a n00b.

 

 

The line about reading their email was half hearted and half real.

 

I am the security engineer.  I perform security investigations on a daily basis.  These require the collection and review of email, and I also perform forensic investigations, we also use key loggers to watch traffic, and use network sensors to catpure their conversations.  I have assisted law enforcement in this, as a former law enforcement employee.  I have testified in court for civil and criminal matters.  So I have a firm understanding of what is and what isnt ethical. 

 

I was playing a prank on cub fans.  Give me a f***ing break.

[Phuck the Cubs]

For your sake, I hope there aren't any Sox fans in your office who use this site.  Because it would be pretty easy to interpolate who you are, based on your profile information.  Your law enforcement experience should tell you that.

 

You are taking a real chance of being found out, my friend, and unless you are boinking the boss, I'm guessing you'd get disciplined or fired for arbitrarily reading emails and screwing with people.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's what I was thinking, in addition to a lawsuit.

[Steff]

For company purposes.  But if someone's emails are being read arbitrarily, thats a big old lawsuit waiting to happen.  And if they found out their IT guy was weilding his power this way, most companies would not be happy.

 

 

 

I'd bet high that it's the boss looking over the IT guys shoulder reading the personal emails.

 

Unless you're the boss, or the IT guy with the power.. bet your butt your words are being read at will.