Phuck the Cubs Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Is it the company accounts you can read, or their personal accounts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 05:18 PM) Unless you're the boss, or the IT guy with the power.. bet your butt your words are being read at will. I definitely agree that is the best, safest assumption to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Poor SSI71, his funny thread has been hijacked by the ethics police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 04:20 PM) I definitely agree that is the best, safest assumption to make. Food for thought.. bosses, the IT department, the mods at your favorite message board can and are reading your words.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I am in complete agreeance with Y2HH with everything he has said. I enjoy a good prank, but this is going a little too far. This is obviously a person with way too much time on his/her hands and a little too much power than he/she can handle at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I assure you at the company I work for, although I have the same power as the person we speak of...I never do any such thing unless I have a specific REASON, by and from the company, to do so. I don't think he was being serious about reading e-mails, either, as that would be a 24/7 job in and of itself...however, merely stating it is an abuse of power, which is what I think the poster is getting at with a lawsuit. Just because you "can" doesn't mean you "should", without proper reason, the employee DOES have rights. One thing companies don't understand with most "contracts" is an employee CANNOT sign away their lawful rights, no matter what the document states. There ARE privacy issues at hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 05:22 PM) Food for thought.. bosses, the IT department, the mods at your favorite message board can and are reading your words.. No doubt. I am sure the Mods are cringing reading this thread right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 No doubt. I am sure the Mods are cringing reading this thread right now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep, this thread has gone from "Pale Hose Talk" material to "Sex, Lies, and Music" material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I think the Aaron Rowand trade for Jim Thome will work out for us in the end. Saved thread. QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 04:24 PM) Yep, this thread has gone from "Pale Hose Talk" material to "Sex, Lies, and Music" material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(Y2HH @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 04:23 PM) I assure you at the company I work for, although I have the same power as the person we speak of...I never do any such thing unless I have a specific REASON, by and from the company, to do so. I don't think he was being serious about reading e-mails, either, as that would be a 24/7 job in and of itself...however, merely stating it is an abuse of power, which is what I think the poster is getting at with a lawsuit. Just because you "can" doesn't mean you "should", without proper reason, the employee DOES have rights. One thing companies don't understand with most "contracts" is an employee CANNOT sign away their lawful rights, no matter what the document states. There ARE privacy issues at hand... An ex employee just tried to sue us for wrongful termination because he was using the company server to conduct non-work business during non-business hours.. The case got tossed. The company ownes any and everything you do at your work station no matter what time of day it is. You sign a waiver to that fact upon accepting employment here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 10:18 PM) I'd bet high that it's the boss looking over the IT guys shoulder reading the personal emails. Unless you're the boss, or the IT guy with the power.. bet your butt your words are being read at will. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You should always assume that you are being looked at or watched on company time by the higher ups. I just don't see the need or the amusement in what SSI71 did. Reading personal emails and blocking people from legit sites seems ridicuous to me and not in the least bit funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 04:26 PM) You should always assume that you are being looked at or watched on company time by the higher ups. I just don't see the need or the amusement in what SSI71 did. Reading personal emails and blocking people from legit sites seems ridicuous to me and not in the least bit funny. Relax Francis.. he didn't read personal emails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 05:25 PM) An ex employee just tried to sue us for wrongful termination because he was using the company server to conduct non-work business during non-business hours.. The case got tossed. The company ownes any and everything you do at your work station no matter what time of day it is. This is legally different than an independent employee, acting outside company interests, reads people's private emails. Just so that we are clear. But the real risk in these actions is that companies are all highly legal-risk averse. And if an employee does something that puts them at risk of even the possibility of a lawsuit, they are likely to respond swiftly and harshly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Those types of suits never hold up (wrongful termination)...this is a completely different type of case. Those suits cannot hold up in IL because this state employs the "right/will work" clause, I forget what it's called on a lawful basis, but I know a company CAN terminate employment for ANY reason they choose in IL. A infringement on a persons privacy is a different story. In some cases it could be compared to installing a security camera in the womans bathroom simply because the company thinks it can. Doesn't work that way. Some rights to privacy, in a company or outside of a company, CANNOT be taken away. QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 04:25 PM) An ex employee just tried to sue us for wrongful termination because he was using the company server to conduct non-work business during non-business hours.. The case got tossed. The company ownes any and everything you do at your work station no matter what time of day it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 05:27 PM) Relax Francis.. he didn't read personal emails. Looked to me like he said he did. Even reiterated it, saying he was only half joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 04:29 PM) This is legally different than an independent employee, acting outside company interests, reads people's private emails. Just so that we are clear. But the real risk in these actions is that companies are all highly legal-risk averse. And if an employee does something that puts them at risk of even the possibility of a lawsuit, they are likely to respond swiftly and harshly. Absoultely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 04:30 PM) Looked to me like he said he did. Even reiterated it, saying he was only half joking. If that's so then my bad. I interpreted it as he was joking about that completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 10:27 PM) Relax Francis.. he didn't read personal emails. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At least you spelled Francis right. He said he doesn't. It is up to you and I to believe if he does or not. I honestly don't trust that he didn't. He can say whatever he wants, but he seems devious enough to do that if he truly wants to. Say he was infatuated with someone at work or if he wanted to get revenge on a specific person at work. Would you completely trust that he would not read either of those said persons' personal email to do with it as he pleases? I wouldn't. I really don't since he does not work in my IT department. It just seems wrong. Edited February 24, 2006 by southsideirish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(Y2HH @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 04:29 PM) Those types of suits never hold up (wrongful termination)...this is a completely different type of case. Those suits cannot hold up in IL because this state employs the "right/will work" clause, I forget what it's called on a lawful basis, but I know a company CAN terminate employment for ANY reason they choose in IL. A infringement on a persons privacy is a different story. In some cases it could be compared to installing a security camera in the womans bathroom simply because the company thinks it can. Doesn't work that way. Some rights to privacy, in a company or outside of a company, CANNOT be taken away. Bla... forget everything I have said here regarding this matter.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 04:32 PM) At least you spelled Francis right. He said he doesn't. It is up to you and I to believe if he does or not. I honestly don't trust that he didn't. He can say whatever he wants, but he seems devious enough to do that if he truly wants to. Say he was infatuated with someone at work or if he wanted to get revenge on a specific person at work. Would you completely trust that he would not read either of those said persons' personal email to do with it as he pleases? I wouldn't. I really don't since he does not work in my IT department. It just seems wrong. I don't even think about it. I don't do ANYTHING on my work computer I wouldn't care was shared with the world. I've heard those IT guys talking after a few beers.. some of them are just plain sneaky.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 10:34 PM) I don't even think about it. I don't do ANYTHING on my work computer I wouldn't care was shared with the world. I've heard those IT guys talking after a few beers.. some of them are just plain sneaky.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Y2HH @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 04:23 PM) I assure you at the company I work for, although I have the same power as the person we speak of...I never do any such thing unless I have a specific REASON, by and from the company, to do so. I don't think he was being serious about reading e-mails, either, as that would be a 24/7 job in and of itself...however, merely stating it is an abuse of power, which is what I think the poster is getting at with a lawsuit. Just because you "can" doesn't mean you "should", without proper reason, the employee DOES have rights. One thing companies don't understand with most "contracts" is an employee CANNOT sign away their lawful rights, no matter what the document states. There ARE privacy issues at hand... First thing you could have the same rights. However my job is a tad more specific than your. My entire reason for being at my company is to perform security analysis and investigations. I also on the side act as the level 3 support for our cisco environment. The employee has no expectation of privacy. The only countries I cannot monitor is Australia due to their privacy laws. They go out a different pipe on our network. Fire someone for surfing porn. I pretty much guarentee they will sue at some point. It happens. Why were they watching me? Oh poor me. Guess who wins, ever single time. We do. What I do is tried and true in a court of law. I guarentee that the person we will investigate next week, will at some point if they are termainted sue the company. This is how it was at my last company and I am sure if I move to another company. This conversation is going no where. This is what I do for a living. If you dont like it, I dont know what to tell you. A lot of larger companies have a person that performs the extact function. They do everything that I do and some have a hell of a lot more money and time and people to do it. I hope none of you work for a big 6 accounting firm. They have groups of security engineers doing this. And what I meant by I was half joking about reading emails. Part of my job is to investigate people for sending company secrets or our sales forecasts, designs, etc out to our competitors. We have mining tools that perform most of th searches, however at some point. My two eyes have to glance over it before I send it to legal and HR for a recommendation of action. I dont just flippantly go through peoples email reading it for fun. All of my fun time is spent on this goofy site, and that is a bout it. The rest is working. The comment for I read you email is a known IT joke that Y2HH seemed to glance over. They have stickers and shirts that have that joke on it. Edited February 24, 2006 by southsideirish71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Y2HH @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 04:29 PM) Those types of suits never hold up (wrongful termination)...this is a completely different type of case. Those suits cannot hold up in IL because this state employs the "right/will work" clause, I forget what it's called on a lawful basis, but I know a company CAN terminate employment for ANY reason they choose in IL. A infringement on a persons privacy is a different story. In some cases it could be compared to installing a security camera in the womans bathroom simply because the company thinks it can. Doesn't work that way. Some rights to privacy, in a company or outside of a company, CANNOT be taken away. A bathroom is a place of expected privacy. Where Title III comes into place with electronic survelliance is when you have an "expectation" of privacy. Our acceptable use policies are specific. Our employees have no reasonable expectation of privacy with their email or computer use. We also do not allow cameras, USB sticks, or other times that could be used to remove data or intellectual property. Again these are f***ing cub fans we are talking about. Jesus christ. Maybe we can ban the cubs suck shirts because they might offend their sense of being a cub fan. Everyone relax. Edited February 24, 2006 by southsideirish71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 10:47 PM) A bathroom is a place of expected privacy. Where Title III comes into place with electronic survelliance is when you have an "expectation" of privacy. Our acceptable use policies are specific. Our employees have no reasonable expectation of privacy with their email or computer use. We also do not allow cameras, USB sticks, or other times that could be used to remove data or intellectual property. Again these are f***ing cub fans we are talking about. Jesus christ. Maybe we can ban the cubs suck shirts because they might offend their sense of being a cub fan. Everyone relax. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It seems to me like you are telling the wrong people to relax. Maybe your company should relax. They sound very high strung about their own employees. Cub fans or not, what you do doesn't seem right. It may be your job and what you get paid to do, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it and think that it is the right thing to be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 24, 2006 -> 03:54 PM) I also read their email. we had one of our sys admins reading emails he shouldn't. i fired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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