WHarris1 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Let's go Kirk, seal the deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Kirk misses 1, Flip Murray drains a trey. f*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Bulls down 1. Time for the game winner by Kirk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 whoa, spoke too soon forgot how bad the bulls are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 What a shocker....the least clutch player in the history of basketball (Hinrich, not LeBron) misses a FT to likely cost the Bulls the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Incredible. Although I'm not an NBA fan, this is about as good as professional/Bulls baseketball gets. This almost reminds you of past Bulls squads. Very enjoyable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Why the f*** do we give the f***ing ball to Noc in these situations. Get the f***ing ball out of his hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Wow, that's f***ing pathetic. Skiles and Hinrich are a terrible combo at the end of games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 02:50 AM) Why the f*** do we give the f***ing ball to Noc in these situations. Get the f***ing ball out of his hands. It's because Skiles hates Ben Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 good game to watch bad outcome, oh well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(mr_genius @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 02:52 AM) good game to watch bad outcome, oh well Yep, I find myself almost rooting for the Bulls to lose to improve their second, 1st round pick position. This team isn't going anywhere this season anyways, so it doesn't matter if they win or lose these games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 tuff game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 This team makes me do violent things to walls and remotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Mar 2, 2006 -> 09:59 PM) This team makes me do violent things to walls and remotes Chairs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 3, 2006 Author Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Mar 2, 2006 -> 08:48 PM) Incredible. Although I'm not an NBA fan, this is about as good as professional/Bulls baseketball gets. This almost reminds you of past Bulls squads. Very enjoyable. Past Bulls squads didn't have the bball I.Q of a bunch of donkeys. Failure to win games that we should've won will be the downfall of this season. It's quite pathetic. For the Cavs, this win might've saved their season. A loss tonight would've been a huge blow to their already fragile psyche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Mar 2, 2006 -> 09:01 PM) Chairs? I threw my computer chair against the wall when Illinois lost to Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 dam. Just thinking about it, giving the ball to noc is pretty stupid. Bulls..Bulls..Bulls..blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 2, 2006 -> 06:54 PM) Yep, I find myself almost rooting for the Bulls to lose to improve their second, 1st round pick position. This team isn't going anywhere this season anyways, so it doesn't matter if they win or lose these games. Fathom, you know I respect you, but I can't believe you'd say this. Winning is the most important thing for this young team. A 2nd lottery pick is going to be like 2 slots different (unless they get insanely lucky). First of all, the odds of a superior player being available between the Bulls finishing as a 9th seed or 7th seed is very unlikey. Secondly, the amount of knowledge and confidence you gain from the playoffs is superior in importance to that lottery pick, especially since we are talking about a young up and coming team. You need to instill in a young team how to win and how to play in close games. No other type of game is more close and more important than playoff games where the level of play and intensity increase 10 fold. You can't coach for those situations and players gain and improve so much from being in those situations (especially young players). If its an older team with veterans I could see the pick being better since you'd likely need young blood, but thats not the case with the Bulls. Instill winning, let them gain confidence and a little more playoff experience. This team won't make it to the finals but no one is going to convince me that the Bulls are far worse than any of the teams not named the Pistons in the East (and that includes the Heat; The Heat have done one thing the rest of the East hasn't done and thats beat the teams your supposed to; aside from that they have pretty much failed to win any big game). I'm not saying the Heat aren't talented, its just the fact that you get this team to start expecting to win and start expecting to make the playoffs and you'll se this team continue to rise and improve. Screw not making the playoffs, that would be a step back. Get that 7th or 8th seed and get a shot to play one of the best teams in the league and gain some more experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 3, 2006 Author Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 2, 2006 -> 11:40 PM) Fathom, you know I respect you, but I can't believe you'd say this. Winning is the most important thing for this young team. A 2nd lottery pick is going to be like 2 slots different (unless they get insanely lucky). First of all, the odds of a superior player being available between the Bulls finishing as a 9th seed or 7th seed is very unlikey. Secondly, the amount of knowledge and confidence you gain from the playoffs is superior in importance to that lottery pick, especially since we are talking about a young up and coming team. You need to instill in a young team how to win and how to play in close games. No other type of game is more close and more important than playoff games where the level of play and intensity increase 10 fold. You can't coach for those situations and players gain and improve so much from being in those situations (especially young players). If its an older team with veterans I could see the pick being better since you'd likely need young blood, but thats not the case with the Bulls. Instill winning, let them gain confidence and a little more playoff experience. This team won't make it to the finals but no one is going to convince me that the Bulls are far worse than any of the teams not named the Pistons in the East (and that includes the Heat; The Heat have done one thing the rest of the East hasn't done and thats beat the teams your supposed to; aside from that they have pretty much failed to win any big game). I'm not saying the Heat aren't talented, its just the fact that you get this team to start expecting to win and start expecting to make the playoffs and you'll se this team continue to rise and improve. Screw not making the playoffs, that would be a step back. Get that 7th or 8th seed and get a shot to play one of the best teams in the league and gain some more experience. ^^^ Post of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Mar 2, 2006 -> 07:02 PM) Past Bulls squads didn't have the bball I.Q of a bunch of donkeys. Failure to win games that we should've won will be the downfall of this season. It's quite pathetic. For the Cavs, this win might've saved their season. A loss tonight would've been a huge blow to their already fragile psyche. Thats the reason why this season is so great. It sets a learning curve for them and these young guys are actually learning to become the leaders. Last year they had AD on the court with a minute left showing them the ropes, this year its on them. Obviusly there is a step back with that, but the step forward is going to be greater. Get them in the playoffs and the learning curve will be even quicker and I think you'll see that pay off in big ways when this team exponentionally grows in terms of wins and talent in the coming years. And to say this team has no bball IQ is just wrong. This team is smart, gritty and plays its ass of. It makes mistakes but they are young mistakes and Skiles is the type of coach that will make sure those things improve. But no one is going to tell me that Hinrich is a dumb player or that Duhon is a dumb player. Even Noc or Deng. They make dumb plays from time to time, but they aren't dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 3, 2006 Author Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 2, 2006 -> 11:43 PM) Thats the reason why this season is so great. It sets a learning curve for them and these young guys are actually learning to become the leaders. Last year they had AD on the court with a minute left showing them the ropes, this year its on them. Obviusly there is a step back with that, but the step forward is going to be greater. Get them in the playoffs and the learning curve will be even quicker and I think you'll see that pay off in big ways when this team exponentionally grows in terms of wins and talent in the coming years. And to say this team has no bball IQ is just wrong. This team is smart, gritty and plays its ass of. It makes mistakes but they are young mistakes and Skiles is the type of coach that will make sure those things improve. But no one is going to tell me that Hinrich is a dumb player or that Duhon is a dumb player. Even Noc or Deng. They make dumb plays from time to time, but they aren't dumb. Good post. I agree with most of it. As far as getting into the playoffs, learning, ect, I agree with that. I don't agree with AD being the diffrence in this team winning so many close games last year and losing all the close ones this year. Maybe calling them dumb was going a little overboard. But they make A LOT of bad decisions in close games. They've been doing this all year. I believe you shold get better in that area as the season goes on. They're making the same mistakes now that they were in November and December. What makes it really frustrating is that they've regressed in that department since last year. But like you said, they're still young. I expect major improvements in that area next year. Or they'll just be a bunch of talented players who have no idea how to win close games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 05:40 AM) Fathom, you know I respect you, but I can't believe you'd say this. Winning is the most important thing for this young team. A 2nd lottery pick is going to be like 2 slots different (unless they get insanely lucky). First of all, the odds of a superior player being available between the Bulls finishing as a 9th seed or 7th seed is very unlikey. I'm all for a team winning to gain momentum and establish a winning attitude. However, I think there's going to be a lot of changes made after this season. Skiles and Gordon clearly aren't a very good match (inside sources have confirmed this). The Bulls are likely going to have 2 new starters in the lineup next season at the shooting guard and power forward. It's going to take some time for the team to mesh again, especially with some high picks likely coming in. Also, the reason that I suggested the Bulls might do well to move up with their 2nd pick in the first round is because they supposedly covet Ronnie Brewer with that 2nd pick. It's going to be hard to get him the lower their pick is. I would have to say that it's likely they try and go after the combo of Aldridge and Brewer in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 BTW, the single most ridiculous thing I've seen by the Bulls all year is that they won't give the ball to Gordon at the end of the game. He's the only guy on the team who can create a shot whenever he wants. They could have anywhere from 3-10 more wins if they were able to make that clutch shot at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Mar 2, 2006 -> 09:57 PM) Good post. I agree with most of it. As far as getting into the playoffs, learning, ect, I agree with that. I don't agree with AD being the diffrence in this team winning so many close games last year and losing all the close ones this year. Maybe calling them dumb was going a little overboard. But they make A LOT of bad decisions in close games. They've been doing this all year. I believe you shold get better in that area as the season goes on. They're making the same mistakes now that they were in November and December. What makes it really frustrating is that they've regressed in that department since last year. But like you said, they're still young. I expect major improvements in that area next year. Or they'll just be a bunch of talented players who have no idea how to win close games. The big reason I mention AD is because I know from talking to a few people and they all had the same consensus view in terms of the leadership Davis provided on the court in the final minutes. Veterans players know how to finish games and they can constantly harp (basically as a floor general) on the guys. I realize the coach does that stuff, but to have that type of guy on the floor is a big difference. Luckily these young guys got to go through with that but there has been a definate let down now that they are on their own (Harrington is a leader as well but he typically isn't out there in the final minute or two). With the fact this is the guys first time without that true leader, your going to see leaders develop certain days but mistakes come up other times. I think we'll see them really start closing games off well down the stretch and next year we'll really see it pay dividends. I agree they make mistakes at crucial times but thats a part of growing up. The good thing is the team has found itself in the position to make those mistakes (ie in quite a few close games) and that type of experience, with proper coaching as well as proper personel (ie guys that are intelligent and talented enough and I Think we have that, especially when we find another big or two) will lead to us closing out games and holding on to leads much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 2, 2006 -> 10:15 PM) BTW, the single most ridiculous thing I've seen by the Bulls all year is that they won't give the ball to Gordon at the end of the game. He's the only guy on the team who can create a shot whenever he wants. They could have anywhere from 3-10 more wins if they were able to make that clutch shot at the end. I would agree with that. I don't like that play going to Noc, but it looked as if the play was drawn up for Gordon to curl around and Noc to give him the ball, but for some reason Gordon started coming to Noc and than curled the other way, leaving Noc on his own. He was kind of stunned. I still think Hinrich is far more clutch than anyone gives him credit for. People look at a last second shot, but he's often the guy who all of a sudden starts whooping ass in the 3rd and 4th quarter while bringing the Bulls back into the game. What ticked me off was there was a stretch of a few minutes in the 4th where Kirk was just handing it to the Cavs, whether it was driving in and stopping and popping a jumper or driving and kicking it to Songalia or someone else. But than Skiles brings in Duhon and that f*** holds the ball. I just don't like the way Duhon runs the offense when compared to Kirk. Duh does a solid job running offenses, but Kirk is one of the best pg's in the biz when it comes to that standpoint and when he's just been whooping ass they should be milking it and going with it. Duhon can't work pick and rolls cause he can't shoot for s*** so why when the pick and roll is working so well do you take the ball out of Hinrich's hand and put it in Duh's while moving Hinrich to the oft guard spot. That I'll never know. I love Skiles, but I just dont' like how he takes the ball out of Kirk's hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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