Who's on the radar?

[quickman]

Alright, well, then let's go from there.

 

We have a farm full of worthless roster-fillers.  We have half a dozen worthwhile prospects that project to big league success.  Now, let's pause here to remember even the Yankess of the mid-late 90's had their share of home-grown talent.  In order to succeed in this league, as I'm sure you know, you have to develop your own young, cheap talent to plug in.

 

So, at this juncture, we can do one of two things.  We can, first, stand pat and see if one of these young arms are able to contribute.  Or, we can trade one or more of our worthwhile prospects--of which we have no more than five or six, mind you--for the final pieces of the 2006 MLB roster, which, appear to be bullpen help.

 

After having seen the importance of the bullpen last year, will the White Sox find a willing partner to trade bullpen help of any real, significant value?  Will this player(s) be any more consistent or trustworthy than an oft-injured Hermanson or a Sox farmhand.

 

I just don't think I quite understand what it is the Sox should be doing right now.

 

Right addy they are in a bind because KW didn't address this with free agency. For a few million more we could have locked this up. Everyone knew Hermy was far from reliable yet we rolled the dice. So, now the dice will continue to be rolled. He either parts with a decent prospect now or waits for salary dumps in july and prays we are still in it. troublesome decision. Because to get someone good in july he still has to part with a decent prospect. i think he gets somebody now. he will hope and pray borchard catches on. he still has some value. glaod makes a good back up for somebody out there, but those guys won't bring more than a live body. He will wait a week until more cuts are made, then try to grab somebody.

[RockRaines]

Okay, take Broadway out of the list then.  My main point is that there is enough mid-level farm talent like Rogowski for example, packaged with Borchard, to net a decent reliever.  I doubt that KW will have to trade top rated prospects to obtain a bullpen replacement for Hermanson.

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There are lots of teams who wouldnt mind this. Some GM's do not value the bullpen like we do.

[quickman]

^^^^^^^^^^

 

There are lots of teams who wouldnt mind this.  Some GM's do not value the bullpen like we do.

 

 

cincinati has to have somebody we could use, or milwaukee, or colorado, or tampa. I mean these teams won't make it anyway. I do like Danny graves as an option but n o way does cleveland trade him to us.

[WCSox]

Danny Graves is AWFUL!

 

He was a halfway decent closer for several years. If he's healthy and can be acquired cheaply, he might be a decent middle reliever.

[SouthsideBlitz]

yes welcome to the board. No offense.. Really Which players have talent? Honel, malone, the guy with one hand, redding, west, munoz, lumsden, Tracey, whisler, HAeger, they all suck. No talent.

 

Point well taken.

[Guest JimH]

cincinati has to have somebody we could use, or milwaukee, or colorado, or tampa. I mean these teams won't make it anyway. I do like Danny graves as an option but n o way does cleveland trade him to us.

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I think Graves has an out clause if he doesn't make the team, kind of like your buddy Tim Redding.

 

Meaning, he could be cut loose and wouldn't need to be traded for.

 

Not certain though.

[Wanne]

cincinati has to have somebody we could use, or milwaukee, or colorado, or tampa. I mean these teams won't make it anyway. I do like Danny graves as an option but n o way does cleveland trade him to us.

 

That's why I was almost sure Baez was gonna be in a Sox uni this year. And I wouldn't write off Milwaukee so quick either.

[RockRaines]

I think Graves has an out clause if he doesn't make the team, kind of like your buddy Tim Redding.

 

Meaning, he could be cut loose and wouldn't need to be traded for.

 

Not certain though.

man Tim Redding blows.

[AddisonStSox]

Right addy they are in a bind because KW didn't address this with free agency. For a few million more we could have locked this up. Everyone knew Hermy was far from reliable yet we rolled the dice. So, now the dice will continue to be rolled. He either parts with a decent prospect now or waits for salary dumps in july and prays we are still in it. troublesome decision. Because to get someone good in july he still has to part with a decent prospect. i think he gets somebody now. he will hope and pray borchard catches on. he still has some value. glaod makes a good back up for somebody out there, but those guys won't bring more than a live body. He will wait a week until more cuts are made, then try to grab somebody.

 

I mean, how many moves is the GM of a championship-callibur club supposed to make the year following a World Series title?

 

Luis Vizcaino swapped out for Brandon McCarthy--Check. No loss there. In fact, it could probably be argued that that's an improvement.

 

Damaso Marte swapped out for ?--This is a problem. Now, I'm not going to crucify KW because the Marte situation was different. With Marte, he had a guy that could no longer co-exist with our team's manager. Anytime you have that situation, the trade partner is in the cat-bird's seat. Yet, he was able to swing him for one of the better utility players in baseball--a very decent trade to say the least.

 

Dustin Hermanson swapped out for?--This, too, is a problem. If we, the fanbase, knew Hermanson's back was an issue, I would imagine the White Sox would be privy to far more information than we could ever imagine. I can't really defend the guy here, but, when you say Hermanson for a two-year contract, he ends up being your closer for the majority of the year, and still has the "stuff" to be effective, that seems to be a calculated risk. You can't fill every roster spot with an all-star. So, without trading one of our most valuable minor-league trading chips--because, let's be honest, that's all they are anyway --how would we obtain the quality bullpen arm to fill the void left by Hermanson's injury? We could agree that trading any of the big-leaguers would be robbing Peter to pay Paul, yes?

 

So, while I see where you're coming from, I really have a hard time nailing Kenny on this one. Hell, it was his maverick moves last off-season that put this team in the position to win the division...and we all saw what happened after that.

 

Yes, in hindsight, it looks like something should have been done to fortify the bullpen and, seeing how this team is built to win now, this would have been the year to do it. But, it wasn't. Now, what I'm saying is I think it was a calculated risk. You certainly can't fill every spot with an all-star and if Kenny felt an injured Hermanson would be able to stagger through the season, contributing what he could along the way, while relying on guys like Cotts--a former farmhand, by the way --and Politte to carry the majority of the load, I think that was a decision he was well aware of. I don't think he got caught with his pants down.

 

Hindsight is always 20-20.

[Jordan4life_2007]

That's why I was almost sure Baez was gonna be in a Sox uni this year.  And I wouldn't write off Milwaukee so quick either.

 

No way we could've gotten Baez.

[quickman]

I think Graves has an out clause if he doesn't make the team, kind of like your buddy Tim Redding.

 

Meaning, he could be cut loose and wouldn't need to be traded for.

 

Not certain though.

 

 

In my mind he would be the type of person that could come cheap and could catch fire while we wait for our great farm system to come up with one damn arm. anyway a veteran who can pitch an inning and not get shaken on the mound.

[Guest JimH]

Right addy they are in a bind because KW didn't address this with free agency. For a few million more we could have locked this up. Everyone knew Hermy was far from reliable yet we rolled the dice. So, now the dice will continue to be rolled. He either parts with a decent prospect now or waits for salary dumps in july and prays we are still in it. troublesome decision. Because to get someone good in july he still has to part with a decent prospect. i think he gets somebody now. he will hope and pray borchard catches on. he still has some value. glaod makes a good back up for somebody out there, but those guys won't bring more than a live body. He will wait a week until more cuts are made, then try to grab somebody.

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Wait a minute, let me ask this question, did you think your buddy Bajenaru would've fetched Cintron?

 

There will be guys available, it's a question of who they want, who do they think fits. Remember, they value that chemistry thing you dismissed as unimportant last year.

 

They'll bring somebody in soon, in the next 2 weeks or so.

[jphat007]

Boone Logan?

[Guest JimH]

In my mind he would be the type of person that could come cheap and could catch fire while we wait for our great farm system to come up with one damn arm. anyway a veteran who can pitch an inning and not get shaken on the mound.

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You think you are driven nuts now waiting for them to get another arm, Graves would drive you batty with all the 3-and-2 counts and walking guys. There is a reason he's bounced around so much the last two years.

[SSH2005]

Boone Logan?

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Green, por favor.

[quickman]

I mean, how many moves is the GM of a championship-callibur club supposed to make the year following a World Series title? 

 

Luis Vizcaino swapped out for Brandon McCarthy--Check.  No loss there.  In fact, it could probably be argued that that's an improvement.

 

Damaso Marte swapped out for ?--This is a problem.  Now, I'm not going to crucify KW because the Marte situation was different.  With Marte, he had a guy that could no longer co-exist with our team's manager.  Anytime you have that situation, the trade partner is in the cat-bird's seat.  Yet, he was able to swing him for one of the better utility players in baseball--a very decent trade to say the least.

 

Dustin Hermanson swapped out for?--This, too, is a problem.  If we, the fanbase, knew Hermanson's back was an issue, I would imagine the White Sox would be privy to far more information than we could ever imagine.  I can't really defend the guy here, but, when you say Hermanson for a two-year contract, he ends up being your closer for the majority of the year, and still has the "stuff" to be effective, that seems to be a calculated risk.  You can't fill every roster spot with an all-star.  So, without trading one of our most valuable minor-league trading chips--because, let's be honest, that's all they are anyway --how would we obtain the quality bullpen arm to fill the void left by Hermanson's injury?  We could agree that trading any of the big-leaguers would be robbing Peter to pay Paul, yes?

 

So, while I see where you're coming from, I really have a hard time nailing Kenny on this one.  Hell, it was his maverick moves last off-season that put this team in the position to win the division...and we all saw what happened after that.

 

Yes, in hindsight, it looks like something should have been done to fortify the bullpen and, seeing how this team is built to win now, this would have been the year to do it.  But, it wasn't.  Now, what I'm saying is I think it was a calculated risk.  You certainly can't fill every spot with an all-star and if Kenny felt an injured Hermanson would be able to stagger through the season, contributing what he could along the way, while relying on guys like Cotts--a former farmhand, by the way --and Politte to carry the majority of the load, I think that was a decision he was well aware of.  I don't think he got caught with his pants down.

 

Hindsight is always 20-20.

 

 

Addy we could have gotten a reliever in free agency. If need be Couldn't mcarthy have been sent back to the minors and kept as a starter there? For a few million more we could have gotten a reliever. In addition, and I am not saying this is a great answer but its better than what we have, fogg was available for practically nothing. I think he signed for a half mill. Offer him 750 and we have an insurance policy. there were a ton of guys like that out there.

 

KW has done a great job planning for injury by picking up great backups for the positions on the field. He knows our farm sucks with pitching therefore you better have very solid 1-11 cause if one goes down we are dead. That is now starting.

[SSH2005]

Wait a minute, let me ask this question, did you think your buddy Bajenaru would've fetched Cintron?

 

There will be guys available, it's a question of who they want, who do they think fits.  Remember, they value that chemistry thing you dismissed as unimportant last year.

 

They'll bring somebody in soon, in the next 2 weeks or so.

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This was my point. You don't need to trade top prospect(s) for a decent reliever, especially if you pick up a bit of salary like we did in the Bajenaru/Cintron swap. I think there will be decent guys out there that KW will be able to acquire for mid-level talent.

[quickman]

man Tim Redding blows.

 

 

i don't care to watch him ever again.

[CWSGuy406]

Boone Logan?

 

Ugh. The guy pitches like three good innings and he's friggin' Billy Wagner.

 

Sorry for speaking in hyperbole, but c'mon. This guy has pitched 131 minor league innings of a 6.10 ERA, and hasn't even pitched TEN innings at A-ball, yet is supposed to come in and be on a World Series title defending ballclub?

 

GMAB. Too much is made of these Spring Training statistics. Then again, it happens every year. Remember the great Kevin Walker of 2005 Tuscon?

[quickman]

Wait a minute, let me ask this question, did you think your buddy Bajenaru would've fetched Cintron?

 

There will be guys available, it's a question of who they want, who do they think fits.  Remember, they value that chemistry thing you dismissed as unimportant last year.

 

They'll bring somebody in soon, in the next 2 weeks or so.

 

 

No I didn't... They must have been reading this board, because i thought the teenageers here were the only ones in love with "the baj" point taken there maybe people out there that like our s***ty farm players!

[Guest JimH]

i don't care to watch him ever again.

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Agree here, he is supposedly healthy but he needs to go to AAA and establish himself. His location is poor and although he does seem to have guts on the mound he is getting clobbered. Worse than Hermanson is getting clobbered.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Boone Logan?

 

Kill yourself

Edited March 14, 2006 by Jordan4life_2006

[quickman]

You think you are driven nuts now waiting for them to get another arm, Graves would drive you batty with all the 3-and-2 counts and walking guys.  There is a reason he's bounced around so much the last two years.

 

 

he is a veteran who I would take a chance on. Is he great? no of course not. but he is better than what we have and he won't s*** in his pants facing major league players. We are not getting an all star we just need a guy that can pitch an inning here or there.

[Dick Allen]

Ugh.  The guy pitches like three good innings and he's friggin' Billy Wagner.

 

Sorry for speaking in hyperbole, but c'mon.  This guy has pitched 131 minor league innings of a 6.10 ERA, and hasn't even pitched TEN innings at A-ball, yet is supposed to come in and be on a World Series title defending ballclub?

 

GMAB.  Too much is made of these Spring Training statistics.  Then again, it happens every year.  Remember the great Kevin Walker of 2005 Tuscon?

I mentioned this in another thread. People are excited over 3 innings against reserves of reserves. For the love of God, KW wants to repeat, but he doesn't spend a dime on the bullpen in the offseason. Its going to bite him on the ass.

[Guest JimH]

No I didn't... They must have been reading this board, because i thought the teenageers here were the only ones in love with "the baj" point taken there maybe people out there that like our s***ty farm players!

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Exactly, the game of baseball, especially the personnel side, constantly intrigues me because trades sometimes come out of nowhere.

 

I thought Fogg would've been a good fall back option too but here is the thing, he is trying to reestablish his market value and he wanted an opportunity to start, that's why he's in Colorado, he is fighting for their #5 slot. That wouldn't happen here. He got a one year deal out there at age 29 I think he wanted opportunity more than anything. Playing for his next contract.

 

Don't know for sure, just speculating. Plus, KW traded him once, who knows if there is bad blood.