RockRaines Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Im going to disagree with everyone and say that Thornton was a good pickup. I think the guy needs a small tweek. He basically sawed off the first three guys he faced. After the error he fell apart a bit, but before it, he looks as good as anyone. A little more coaching and he could be something. Logan is still better though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 10:48 PM) I was talking about 9-10 games in left like last year. Mack will play right when Dye needs a break. And that would be fine. Quite simply, I thought Borchard would have been a better fit for this team on and off the field (I hate Gload's attitude). However, there's no point in really complaining about the 25th man on the team. I just hope we don't keep Thornton on the MLB roster just because of any ego issues with KW and Cooper. Let him go to the minors and work out the obvious problems he's having right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAFTR Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 05:50 PM) I'd rather take Boone Logan than either of them. Really doesn't matter to me who we take though. I'd actually feel comfortable with: Jenks, Cotts, Politte, McCarthy, Logan and Lopez (as a Loogy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Im going to disagree with everyone and say that Thornton was a good pickup. I think the guy needs a small tweek. He basically sawed off the first three guys he faced. After the error he fell apart a bit, but before it, he looks as good as anyone. A little more coaching and he could be something. Logan is still better though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I hope so but Cooper can't fix a Marte-esque mentality of falling apart on the mound when things go bad. If Thornton has that, Cooper won't be able to help him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 04:52 PM) I hope so but Cooper can't fix a Marte-esque mentality of falling apart on the mound when things go bad. If Thornton has that, Cooper won't be able to help him. This is the first time he has appeared with this team. Im willing to give him another shot. The first three batters looked pretty helpless against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 04:57 PM) I'm an idiot to judge a trade after 1 day. Fixed for ya Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 04:51 PM) And that would be fine. Quite simply, I thought Borchard would have been a better fit for this team on and off the field (I hate Gload's attitude). However, there's no point in really complaining about the 25th man on the team. I just hope we don't keep Thornton on the MLB roster just because of any ego issues with KW and Cooper. Let him go to the minors and work out the obvious problems he's having right now. Well you might want to get used to the idea, because I'm pretty sure KW is intent on keeping Thornton on the team for at least the first part of the season. I don't necessarily like it either (I would have been fine with with Lopez and Logan) but it looks like that's the way its going to be. To be really honest though, i'm not worried about the 6th and 7th guys out of the bullpen, as in I don't think it will have a huge impact on the team. Edited March 21, 2006 by jphat007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Let's see ex-Sox gas can Jon Adkins give this game back to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 04:59 PM) :finger :finger You know I was agreeing with you, right?? Yeah, it just presented itself, and I couldnt resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 04:59 PM) Let's see ex-Sox gas can Jon Adkins give this game back to us. Jon "Sack Lunch" Adkins is the man though. Great guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 05:02 PM) Jon "Sack Lunch" Adkins is the man though. Great guy. And we're still waiting for Cooper to make him an effective pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 And we're still waiting for Cooper to make him an effective pitcher. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LOL, nice comment at your blog about Matt Thornton's outing... the best way to pitch over an error is to walk two more guys and give up a bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 05:06 PM) And we're still waiting for Cooper to make him an effective pitcher. Losing 10 mph off his fastball didnt help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I still wish Borchard would have made the team. I trust him in the outfield more than I do Gload. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe it will be Blakely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Game over. 10-7 Padres. Another good game for Anderson -- double, single, walk, 2 RBI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 11:07 PM) Losing 10 mph off his fastball didnt help. The thing is, no one thought he really threw the 95 mph like it was reported. I knew a few people who saw him pitch in the A's system, and he was always in the low 90s. That was just a terrible trade though all around for the White Sox. Oh well....KW's made some great deals since then, so it's just interesting to think about some of his earlier moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 So I take it Thorton didn't look too good? Does he get out of the inning unscathed if Uribe doesn't make the error? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 (edited) So I take it Thorton didn't look too good? Does he get out of the inning unscathed if Uribe doesn't make the error? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, but he still pitched like absolute crap after the error... Johnson K's. 1 out Barfield doubles to the RF corner. Greene flies out to Dye in RF. Barfield tags to 3B. 2 outs. Pitching change: Matt Thornton relieves Jon Garland. Giles grounds to Uribe. Uribe with an error. Barfield scores. Giles safe at 1B. 6-5 Padres. Piazza singles to RF. Giles to 3B. Leone hits a MONSTER 3-run homer to LF. 9-5 Padres. Mirabelli walks. Sledge walks. Mirabelli to 2B. Gonzalez lines a single down the LF line. Mirabelli scores. 10-5 Padres. Johnson grounds out to Crede. Inning over, 10-5 Padres. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Edited March 21, 2006 by SSH2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 05:44 PM) Yes, but he still pitched like absolute crap after the error... Alright then. I wasn't gonna get excited one way or another based on what happened today. So is his stuff as good as advertised? How was his velocity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Alright then. I wasn't gonna get excited one way or another based on what happened today. So is his stuff as good as advertised? How was his velocity? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Someone said that he was throwing his fastball consistently at 96 MPH. But he obviously doesn't have very good control because he threw one right down the cock to Justin Leone for the 3-run BOMB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 05:52 PM) Someone said that he was throwing his fastball consistently at 96 MPH. But he obviously doesn't have very good control because he threw one right down the cock to Justin Leone for the 3-run BOMB. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Anyone remember what the count was on that 3 run homer? (Just wondering if he fell behind the guy and had to throw him a fastball when he was expecting it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I don't think there's any mental issues with Thornton. One of the articles yesterday made note of how he would come out of a game and "feel" like he pitched well but yet he would have walked several batters or gave up some damage. This tells me that he's got the confidence, he just lacks the mechanics. He's throwing 96mph heat for balls yet feels that he's pitching the ball the way he's supposed to. That's mechanics and that can be fixed. If you put a bowl of candy in front of a 3 yr old they're going to eat the whole bowl without thinking twice, then wonder why in the hell they got a stomach ache. Whereas if the 3 yr old is told that you can't eat that bowl of candy and get away with it, he'll be good to go....changing mechanics, changing instinct and habit. Absolutely miserable analogy, but hopefully i got my point across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Recap | Box score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 05:48 PM) Alright then. I wasn't gonna get excited one way or another based on what happened today. So is his stuff as good as advertised? How was his velocity? He sawed off the first three batters with inside fastballs. After that he had some control problems. He has an electric fastball with decent movement. The homer was a 94 MPH fastball that was down, just moved over the middle of the plate. I think his stuff looks good, but he obviously has some flaws reproducing his mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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