joeynach Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 It looks to me like this guy tips his pitches pretty bad. You can see his grip on the ball during his wind up when he brings the ball back behind his lower back (ass). For a second or so the ball appears out to the side giving the batter a quick peak at the ball and his grip on the ball. That is called tipping your pitchers and its really obvious with this guy. Oh yeah and he doesn't seem to have anything else beside a fastball, his breaking pitch he never throws and its terrible. This guy is worse than adkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Doesn't every pitcher we aquire tip their pitches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 QUOTE(joeynach @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 04:48 PM) It looks to me like this guy tips his pitches pretty bad. You can see his grip on the ball during his wind up when he brings the ball back behind his lower back (ass). For a second or so the ball appears out to the side giving the batter a quick peak at the ball and his grip on the ball. That is called tipping your pitchers and its really obvious with this guy. Oh yeah and he doesn't seem to have anything else beside a fastball, his breaking pitch he never throws and its terrible. This guy is worse than adkins. There are plenty of pitchers that break the hand out of the glove during the pitchng motion. That isnt tipping your pitches. Tipping your pitches for example is when you wiggle your glove when you throw a curveball, then have no motion when you throw a fastball. Picking up the grip on a pitch that is behind a pitcher, popping out just a bit would be a serious talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Can somebody break down Thorton's outing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Can somebody break down Thorton's outing? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He fell apart worse than Marte after an error by Uribe on a grounder by Brian Giles that would have ended the inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Here's his tip... I don't know where this pitch is going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 05:49 PM) He fell apart worse than Marte after an error by Uribe on a grounder by Brian Giles that would have ended the inning. Thornton was a great tipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 What gave it away? Was it the 5 run inning or just how bad he couldn't recover and get an out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I think I might rather have Redding for mop-up duties over this guy. That's scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 LOL. Gotta love the optimism Jabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 The only clip of Thornton's performance that I've seen is a three-run HR exiting LF. The radar gun read 96mph, but obviously, doesn't do much good when it's not properly located--or complimented with another pitch. SSI pretty much noted the distinction between tipping pitches, and supposedly revealing a particular pitch mid-windup. Remember, you're watching Thornton from a side vantage point several hundred feet behind the mound. Hitters couldn't possibly notice his fingers' placement on a baseball AND adjust to a 96mph fastball in less than one second. It's said a curveball literally 'pops' out from a pitchers hand during delivery. If it was that easy to locate, not many hitters would be fooled. I believe we've all witnessed this afternoon why Seattle fans are so pleased to be rid of Thornton. Million dollar arm with no clue of where the baseball is going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 06:42 PM) Can somebody break down Thorton's outing? He came out with good control over the fastball and should have been out of the inning immediately. He couldn't locate any breaking stuff so everyone easily hit the fastball. Here's the thing about him, it looks almost like the ball doesn't go as fast as the gun says. I can't explain that. He was in the mid-nineties, but it didn't seems like anyone was having any problem catching up. Unless he can locate his curve, which looked like a decent one, he will be useless. Also, he couldn't pitch to lefties. He started aiming it rather than letting it go. I'd say he needs ALOT of confidence first, then he needs to locate the off speed stuff. He is not hopeless, but he is very raw especially for his age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 11:42 PM) Can somebody break down Thorton's outing? he allowed 4 hits and walked 2 and Uribe committed an error. Cooper needs to wave his magic wand alongside this guys head. I want to be wrong about this trade-after all what can you do about it now but hope for the best-but Borchard had more upside as a 4th OF'er candidate in my opinion. Myabe they can get him straightened out though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 (edited) He came out with good control over the fastball and should have been out of the inning immediately. He couldn't locate any breaking stuff so everyone easily hit the fastball. Here's the thing about him, it looks almost like the ball doesn't go as fast as the gun says. I can't explain that. He was in the mid-nineties, but it didn't seems like anyone was having any problem catching up. Unless he can locate his curve, which looked like a decent one, he will be useless. Also, he couldn't pitch to lefties. He started aiming it rather than letting it go. I'd say he needs ALOT of confidence first, then he needs to locate the off speed stuff. He is not hopeless, but he is very raw especially for his age. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much." Edited March 22, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Re-reading some of the stuff on the board, I guess that's a slider and not a curve. It was definitely something that dropped alot but that he only threw twice. I need to see him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 In his White Sox debut, Matt Thornton surrendered four unearned runs in 1 1/3 innings against the Padres today to lower his spring ERA to 11.88. He gave up four hits and walked two. As things stand now, it looks like the White Sox will carry Thornton as a middle reliever and Boone Logan as a specialist while Dustin Hermanson begins the season on the DL. They could then decide between the two lefties when Hermanson returns. However, as bad as Thornton has pitched this spring, picking up a veteran middle reliever could become a priority at the end of the month. He didn't deserve to lower his spring ERA with today's outing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 07:52 PM) He didn't deserve to lower his spring ERA with today's outing. And he didn't deserve to have Uribe turn a Timo glove move and drop an easy ground ball. Also I think it was 5 unearned runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 (edited) If Thornton continues struggling with control, someone--if not the White Sox, another club--needs to experiment with a new delivery. Not necessarily a change similar to Boone Logans, but one where perhaps some velocity is forsaken for control. For example--Francisco Liriano threw three quarters before his trade to Minnesota. He had the velocity (95-97) yet experienced arm injuries resulting from the violent delivery. When Minnesota shifted his release point/delivery it effectively increased his control. And yes--because someone will complain about it--I realize Liriano took practically a year to hone his skills. It wouldn't be reasonable to expect anything similar to Thornton this season. However, unless he wants to continually become a headaches for ballclubs change may be necessary. If Cooper can work magic and fix noticeable flaws without such drastic measures, more power to him. Is it realistic to expect this? Perhaps not. But then again, I'm not expecting much from Thornton. Edited March 22, 2006 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Everyone knows this guy is a reclamation project. Did anyone expect to see him change uniforms and pull a Boone Logan? I'll reserve judgment until after the sox have had him a bit. But the guy should start in AAA, not with the sox. He could easily turn a 3 run game that he's mopping up into an absolute blowout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 QUOTE(beck72 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 08:08 PM) Everyone knows this guy is a reclamation project. Did anyone expect to see him change uniforms and pull a Boone Logan? Agreed. If he never see the majors, no loss. We forget that Marte was nothing when we acquired him. (Who was that prized prospect we traded for Marte?) Then we got a few good years out of him until 2005. Perhaps, Thorton could be straightened out in the minors. And then, there are the Jon Adkins who never straightened it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 And he didn't deserve to have Uribe turn a Timo glove move and drop an easy ground ball. Also I think it was 5 unearned runs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It was 4 unearned runs. And the guy gave up 4 hits and issued 2 walks in 1.1 innings. He still folded like a cheap tent after Uribe's error. It would be a different story if he had gotten out of the inning soon after Uribe's error. This guy is a reclamation project at best right now and I hope KW comes up with someone better by opening day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 06:42 PM) "I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much." "Are you tellin' me Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 21, 2006 -> 08:20 PM) It was 4 unearned runs. And the guy gave up 4 hits and issued 2 walks in 1.1 innings. He still folded like a cheap tent after Uribe's error. It would be a different story if he had gotten out of the inning soon after Uribe's error. This guy is a reclamation project at best right now and I hope KW comes up with someone better by opening day. I just don't get why people come off as calling for Thorton's head, or why you care what his ERA does. It's not like he was going to be great today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Id rather have a guy like Tracey in our bullpen than this scrub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoperezrulez Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 All I know it i'm scared as hell about this season after the starters leave the ball game.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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