LDF Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 in the continue free falling of the hawks, a high draft is not out of the realm. so if the hawks have the possibility of getting e johnson d-man or kessel center, who would you pick??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Hawks are just a point behind St. Louis for being the worst in the Western Conference. Don't know where the bottom feeders of the East fit in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Last time I seen the standings... Hawks are the worst in the Western division and only Pitt is worse than the Hawks. Hawks if they get the #1 pick would more than likely draft Kessel. It would be interesting though because word is Jack Skille and Kessel supposedly hate each other and the Hawks already have Skille...I doubt that would play much into it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 I'd say Kessell, without a doubt. Look at the Hawks defensive depth chart. The Hawks currently have Seabrook and Keith who look like they're going to be big-minute guys. I don't necessarily see Duncan Keith as a #1-2 type d-man, but he's got the endurance to play big minutes, and with a little polish, he'll be a nice #3-4. From there, they have a bunch of guys who've been fighting fighting for spots. I'm not sure about the ceiling of most of these guys, but the good thing is that most of them are young. I'm talking about Byfuglian, Barinka, Wisniewski, Richmond. These guys are all 21-22 years of age (I think). That's not to say that all of these guys will turn into solid hockey players, but I'd like to think that at least one of them (I'd say Byfuglian) will step up and take on a bigger role, and one-two of them should stick around as #6 types. Then, there's guys that aren't currently in the States. Most notably, Barker, but there's also Lasse Kukkonen, who is in Finland -- and there's talk about him being brought over here. When he played for the Hawks in 2004, I didn't think he was awful. Looked 'fundamentaly' sound. Didn't stick out too much, but didn't hurt the team either. Barker, though, is obviously the defenseman that the Hawks really need to pan out. Barker and Seabrook are the guys who are supposed to bolster this Hawks defense for the next five-ten years. And finally there's Vandermeer and Aucoin, both of whom (if I were to guess) will be on the Hawks in 2007, and maybe a year or two beyond that. So, by my count, that's ten. And, I certainly don't know a whole lot about the Hawks other prospects (guys in Europe and Canada). Plus, there's the possibility of free agent signings. The Hawks need a playmaker up front. That's the one thing that has been lacking for a LONG time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 26, 2006 Author Share Posted March 26, 2006 i don't know, if the hawks has a chance to either draft johnson or kessell, i just don't know. Johnson is the real deal on "d" and been rated almost since late last summer to be the #1 dman and pick. is he really that talented and is he better than anything we have?? ref kessell, i am not sold on him b/c of attitude problems and it is was is being mention on other boards. i would trade the pick and move down and go for either toews or tilsy who may be the best all round offensive machine in the draft. Size is the queston here. 2 europe hawks who came out of no where are tony salmelainen, petri kontiola. WOW and they still have another yr or 2 to develop. however if i was tallon, screw the developing in europe and bring them to the us and sign them. with the new CBA i am afraid of loosing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 26, 2006 Author Share Posted March 26, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 26, 2006 -> 04:46 AM) Hawks havent had a pure scorer in a LONG time. They need it more than ever. Like Keith said in a very solid post, the one real bright spot for the Hawks is the core of D men they are devolving. Seabrook-Auccoin Barker-Vandy Keith-Kukk/Byfuglian/ Barinka/Wisniewski That could be a D core for 3, 4 years AT LEAST. You also have Bulin between the pipes, and while he has had a sub par year, he still has alot left in the tank(IMO) Once again, the Hawks need a player to put the puck in the net, plain and simple. I pray for the Hawks to land a Kovalchuk,Ovchkein, Hossa type someday. They need it SOO bad. question ---- is johnson better than any dman we have now or in the future. we are talking about the #1 pick.... bell has been a huge disappointment and i would mind trading him for prospects. btw for those outside us followers of hockey, this yr draft in a really weak draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 You take Kessel, absolutely no doubt. The Hawks have scored the least points in the NHL this season. Do they even have any bonafide #1 line forwards right now? I can't see any, Bell would be excellent on an #2 line for most teams, but like Arny was he's forced to play on the 1st line. We've got Seabrook, Keith, Aucoin, Vandermeer, and Barker, and quite a few guys who should be fighting it out to get that #6 D spot for the next few years. Johnson may be a damn good prospect, but like Tony said, this needs a goal scorer in the worst way possible. Of course, knowing the Hawks we'll end up with the 3rd or 4th pick, and miss out on both of em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 26, 2006 Author Share Posted March 26, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Mar 26, 2006 -> 05:08 AM) You take Kessel, absolutely no doubt. The Hawks have scored the least points in the NHL this season. Do they even have any bonafide #1 line forwards right now? I can't see any, Bell would be excellent on an #2 line for most teams, but like Arny was he's forced to play on the 1st line. We've got Seabrook, Keith, Aucoin, Vandermeer, and Barker, and quite a few guys who should be fighting it out to get that #6 D spot for the next few years. Johnson may be a damn good prospect, but like Tony said, this needs a goal scorer in the worst way possible. Of course, knowing the Hawks we'll end up with the 3rd or 4th pick, and miss out on both of em. the need of a goal scorer, and a power foward has been shown in the worst possibly way. there is no question about that. but i am talking about rumors of a bad attitude and moody, whether they are true, but what if they are? with johnson, can he be the next scott stevens and do you give up on that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 26, 2006 Author Share Posted March 26, 2006 here is a wild card i was waiting to post, but hell with it. because of the new CBA and prospects not signed, the possibility of pitt #1 pick - Malkin may be re-entering the draft. this may change the scenerio of who is drafting who. btw, the hawks may be picking #2 with a very slim possibility of #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 26, 2006 Author Share Posted March 26, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 26, 2006 -> 06:17 AM) Malkin would be an OBVIOUS no-brainier. Whatever happens, while they always say take the best talent available, the Hawks dont need more D. Get some guys to put the puck in the net. well no kidding on the obvious comment. i am not just as sure of drafting kessell, esp if we do pick #2 and malkin re-enter the draft. johnson fall to you and if it was me, i would trade that pick for something that we need. all i am trying to do is get some talk going, get a healthy discussion going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 26, 2006 Author Share Posted March 26, 2006 btw beside malkin, are there any more prospect re-entering the draft??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 QUOTE(LDF @ Mar 26, 2006 -> 06:22 AM) well no kidding on the obvious comment. i am not just as sure of drafting kessell, esp if we do pick #2 and malkin re-enter the draft. johnson fall to you and if it was me, i would trade that pick for something that we need. all i am trying to do is get some talk going, get a healthy discussion going. LDF, honestly, I don't know enough about the draft to talk to you about it. You seem to have a fairly good grip on it, and anything I'd say would bring absolutely nothing to a 'healthy discussion'. Outside of Johnson, Kessell, and Staal's brother (or it's someone elses brother, sort of high profile), I really don't know a whole lot going into the '07 draft. I usually get something like TSN's top 50 prospect issue heading into the draft, and just cram for like a week. I can tell you this, however, about Kessell/Skille. I was also under the impression that the two hate each other. I talked to my brother about it (huge hockey/Hawk fan), and apparently it's moreso the parents that dislike each other. When I talked to him about it, I left the conversation under the impression that it wouldn't be something that would stop the Hawks from drafting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 Hey Keith. The site is up so you can go register real quick. www.talkbhawks.com/forums Will open up fully tomorrow AM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 I'm going to close this thread. The discussion was moved over to talkbhawks.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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