Felix Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 Rowand is 2/4 so far with a run scored and with an error (bobble). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Felix @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 08:53 PM) Rowand is 2/4 so far with a run scored and with an error (bobble). No gold glove for him in the NL either. Edited April 16, 2006 by Soxpranos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 09:56 PM) No gold glove for him in the NL either. He didn't have much of a chance with Andrew Jones and Jim Edmonds automatically taking up two of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 09:04 PM) He didn't have much of a chance with Andrew Jones and Jim Edmonds automatically taking up two of them. Jim Edmonds doesn't look as automatic this year as he has in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 10:06 PM) Jim Edmonds doesn't look as automatic this year as he has in the past. Its all about the name, not the play in the field. I think that Torii Hunter and Aaron Rowand proved that last year, or Derek Jeter and Juan Uribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 09:08 PM) Its all about the name, not the play in the field. I think that Torii Hunter and Aaron Rowand proved that last year, or Derek Jeter and Juan Uribe. Stronger case is Crede vs Chavez... I'll take Hunters over Rowands defense anyday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 09:27 PM) Stronger case is Crede vs Chavez... I'll take Hunters over Rowands defense anyday! Not to mention his bat as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 09:27 PM) Stronger case is Crede vs Chavez... I'll take Hunters over Rowands defense anyday! Except for the fact that Torii Hunter only played 98 games last year and shouldn't even have been considered for the GG, where as Chavez played a full year of stellar defense. Hunter shouldn't just automatically win every year just because he's been good in the past, if he plays less than 100 games in the season he shouldn't be in the running. Chavez is a great defensive 3B and him beating out Crede last year was acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 09:33 PM) Except for the fact that Torii Hunter only played 98 games last year and shouldn't even have been considered for the GG, where as Chavez played a full year of stellar defense. Hunter shouldn't just automatically win every year just because he's been good in the past, if he plays less than 100 games in the season he shouldn't be in the running. Chavez is a great defensive 3B and him beating out Crede last year was acceptable. Very true... the man that got robbed was Wells not Rowand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 10:27 PM) Stronger case is Crede vs Chavez... I'll take Hunters over Rowands defense anyday! Hunter didn't even play 100 games.. QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 10:29 PM) Not to mention his bat as well. Bats should have nothing to do with the gold glove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 really the strongest case is uribe vs. jeter.....scouts all say uribe has much better range, and every stat geek last year said uribe was easily the best ss in the AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 09:37 PM) Very true... the man that got robbed was Wells not Rowand. Umm, Vernon Wells won a gold glove last year. There's really no way around it, Aaron Rowand deserved that gold glove that's now in Torii Hunter's possession Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(daa84 @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 09:40 PM) really the strongest case is uribe vs. jeter.....scouts all say uribe has much better range, and every stat geek last year said uribe was easily the best ss in the AL Not to mention the fact that ESPN analysts actually went to bat last year for Uribe saying he should have won it, including Tim Kurkjian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 08:41 PM) Umm, Vernon Wells won a gold glove last year. There's really no way around it, Aaron Rowand deserved that gold glove that's now in Torii Hunter's possession Yeah pretty much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Felix @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 09:38 PM) Hunter didn't even play 100 games.. Confirmed Bats should have nothing to do with the gold glove. agreed... but you take a healthy Hunter over Rowand anyday. Edited April 16, 2006 by Soxpranos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 Well, it's safe to say we wont have any controversy... about him getting robbed ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 08:43 PM) Confirmed agreed... but you take a healthy Hunter over Rowand anyday. Yeah I'm not really 100% sure about that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(ShoeLessRob @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 09:46 PM) Yeah I'm not really 100% sure about that... Stack the same amount of games Rowand has played with Hunters when he started... I think you would change your mind very quickly! Hunter is a better defender and offensive player that Rowand will ever be. I dont judge on bias opinions here, I love the Sox just as much as any Sox fan.. but to state that a Sox player (check that Ex Sox player) is better than a " Proven" other player is nutz. If I had to pick between Rowand and Hunter for my team, I dont even blink... I take Hunter. That's what makes this game fun... some guys just pick guys they like, while others take a player that helps out more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 10:52 PM) Stack the same amount of games Rowand has played with Hunters when he started... I think you would change your mind very quickly! Hunter is a better defender and offensive player that Rowand will ever be. I dont judge on bias opinions here, I love the Sox just as much as any Sox fan.. but to state that a Sox player (check that Ex Sox player) is better than a " Proven" other player is nutz. If I had to pick between Rowand and Hunter for my team, I dont even blink... I take Hunter. That's what makes this game fun... some guys just pick guys they like, while others take a player that helps out more. Okay, looking at the numbers, where exactly does Hunter excel over Rowand at the plate? Rowand's stats Hunter's stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 09:56 PM) Okay, looking at the numbers, where exactly does Hunter excel over Rowand at the plate? Rowand's stats Hunter's stats Aaron Rowand career 103 OPS+ Hunter 100 OPS+ not to mention Rowand's amazing personality and ability to become one of the biggest fan favorites the team has ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 09:56 PM) Okay, looking at the numbers, where exactly does Hunter excel over Rowand at the plate? Rowand's stats Hunter's stats For one, Rbi jump out at me... Rowand played 59 more games than Hunter did last year, and still trailed in Rbi and Hr's? Now if you take the defensive plays that Hunter has done over his course... theres no contest there. Rowand had a good year last year playing very deep... Hunter has always played well on Defense. I believe Hunter has taken away more homers in 1 season than Rowand has in all his career. If you look closer at the seaonal average, hunter drives in more runs.. scores more runs and most of all plays better defense! Edited April 16, 2006 by Soxpranos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 Okay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 10:01 PM) Aaron Rowand career 103 OPS+ Hunter 100 OPS+ not to mention Rowand's amazing personality and ability to become one of the biggest fan favorites the team has ever had. That is great.. that great ops got him to Philly. Hunter has won more games for the twins than Rowand has for the Sox... bottom line is winning, thats why thome is here and Rowand is in Philly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 So much for OPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Apr 15, 2006 -> 11:06 PM) Hunter has won more games for the twins than Rowand has for the Sox Win Shares last year Rowand: 11.4 batting, 7.6 fielding Hunter: 8.5 batting, 3.8 fielding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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