oh jimmy jimmy jimmy

[Controlled Chaos]

Carter fittingly used a parable to illustrate how he'd like to see the political/religious debate unfold.

 

"I was teaching a Sunday school class two weeks ago," he recalls. "A girl, she was about 16 years old from Panama City [Fla.], asked me about the differences between Democrats and Republicans.

 

"I asked her, 'Are you for peace, or do you want more war?' Then I asked her, 'Do you favor government helping the rich, or should it seek to help the poorest members of society? Do you want to preserve the environment, or do you want to destroy it? Do you believe this nation should engage in torture, or should we condemn it? Do you think each child today should start life responsible for $28,000 in [federal government] debt, or do you think we should be fiscally responsible?'

 

"I told her that if she answered all of those questions, that she believed in peace, aiding the poor and weak, saving the environment, opposing torture ... then I told her, 'You should be a Democrat.'"

 

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobas...oid=oid%3A57592

[G&T]

I'm happy to see that Carter was out to educate kids and not spread partisan BS and feed off the uniformed. As for the rest of the article, he can believe whatever he wants, but I remember being 16 and having teachers say the same type of crap. That bothers me.

[Rex Kickass]

So, a girl asks a former Democrat President if she should be a Democrat or Republican and you're shocked that he says "be a Democrat?"

[G&T]

So, a girl asks a former Democrat President if she should be a Democrat or Republican and you're shocked that he says "be a Democrat?"

 

That's not what she asked, she asked what the differences were, then he pointed to every hot button issue and skewed it to his need. If she asked a Republican the same question and the Rep. said "Democrats kill babies, and if you don't like that then be a Republican," you'd be bothered.

I'm not shocked by anything he says, it just bothers me.

[Rex Kickass]

Last time I checked Democrats don't kill babies. Although I will have to go over the notes of my last party meeting to make sure.

[G&T]

And I can just as easily say that Republicans don't want to destroy the environment. That doesn't change the point I'm trying to make. I'm sorry, but I don't like what he did. If she asked about a specific issue and he gave his position then so be it, but that's not what happened.

[kapkomet]

Last time I checked Democrats don't kill babies. Although I will have to go over the notes of my last party meeting to make sure.

Rex, that is what bothers me. I know you've stayed silent on the actual post above. It is EXACTLY this kind of buills*** that has created the "political divide" on both parties. And by you (silently) condoning what he has done, it adds fuel to the fire.

 

The Republicans run around saying the Democrats don't give a s*** about our national security. The Democrats run around saying all the s*** that Carter spewed. They're both wrong. Period. Simply turning a blind eye to this crap is what's going more and more and more wrong with our government, past and present.

[Rex Kickass]

I don't see what the huge harm is here. It's an old guy telling a story. And although it wouldn't be my choice of stories, it's still just what it is. Excuse me if I don't go out of my way to condemn what an ex-President says in an interview to a blogger when it isn't that flameworthy to begin with. But I'll make the Republicans a deal here. When they're willing to start holding themselves at least a little accountable for their own mistakes, I'll hold Jimmy Carter accountable for saying that Democrats care more than Republicans. Because the truth is the GOP is making Jimmy Carter's words ring truer than they should.

 

Do I think the Republican leadership gives two s***s about helping the poor? No I really don't think that they do.

Do I think the Republican leadership gives two s***s about the acceptability of torture under any circumstance? No I don't think that they do. And their actions seem to belie that point specifically.

 

Before anyone flames me about just hating the Bush administration or whatever, I didn't say that all Democrats or that the Dem leadership does or would... but at least I know that a lot of the people fighting for Democratic representation will hold their guys feet to the fire when it comes to this.

 

A lot of the Dems that I've talked to, that I've worked with, that have gotten inspired in the last three years to be activist, aren't going to give their rep a free pass because of the D after their name. I sure as hell won't either. The Democrats I support at least are giving lip service to the issues that I care about - that's why I support them. I find it hard to find many in the GOP who give two s***s about what I care about, with the possible exception of immigration reform.

 

I'm partisan, but I haven't always been. I feel painted in that corner.

[Soxy]

That's not what she asked, she asked what the differences were, then he pointed to every hot button issue and skewed it to his need. If she asked a Republican the same question and the Rep. said "Democrats kill babies, and if you don't like that then be a Republican," you'd be bothered.

I'm not shocked by anything he says, it just bothers me.

I don't remember which existentialist said it (I feel like it was Sartre, but it's been a long day) but he said, "When you choose whom you ask for advice your choose your advice." When I saw Jimmy Carter someone asked him a similarly leading question, he covered the mic, turned to the event organizer, asked a question, laughed, and basically said "vote democrat." Would you ask Dick Cheney that question and expect an unbiased opinion? Further, it's not like this even happened at a public school or in a public setting: it was Sunday school. You don't like what someone says you walk out. Was Carter speaking in hyperbole when he answered? Yeah. But if you want an unbiased answer on something like that don't ask a former president. I'm not sure I would have been that tactless in answering, but no one asked me that question.

 

Oddly enough, CC didn't quote some of the other (far more important stuff) Carter said in the article. But hey, why play up the good someone does when we can just sift for s***.

 

Nice stuff from article:

Democrats "should talk about justice," he adds. "The extraordinary tax reductions for the richest Americans, that's not justice.

 

"And peace," Carter says. "We worship the prince of peace, not the prince of pre-emptive war. The vast majority of evangelicals don't want global war."

Edited April 8, 2006 by Soxy

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

So, a girl asks a former Democrat President if she should be a Democrat or Republican and you're shocked that he says "be a Democrat?"

 

 

God forbid he give an objective answer.

 

 

:rolly

 

 

This doesn't surprise me though as asking Jimmy Carter, one of the most ridiculed Presidents in history and doormat for the Conservative revolution, to be objective is like asking Pat Robertson to come out in favor of kiddie porn.

[Mplssoxfan]

God forbid he give an objective answer.

:rolly

This doesn't surprise me though as asking Jimmy Carter, one of the most ridiculed Presidents in history and doormat for the Conservative revolution, to be objective is like asking Pat Robertson to come out in favor of kiddie porn.

Yeah, there are a lot of objective politicians out there.

[whitesoxfan101]

Not sure why we should care what the worst president since FDR says a quarter century after he left office.

[mr_genius]

meh, doesn't really matter what Jimmy Carter says.

 

the guy was a joke as president.

[Rex Kickass]

Not sure why we should care what the worst president since FDR says a quarter century after he left office.

But JFK was dead in 1988.

 

Seriously though, you shouldn't care. I know I don't.

[southsider2k5]

I don't see what the huge harm is here. It's an old guy telling a story. And although it wouldn't be my choice of stories, it's still just what it is. Excuse me if I don't go out of my way to condemn what an ex-President says in an interview to a blogger when it isn't that flameworthy to begin with. But I'll make the Republicans a deal here. When they're willing to start holding themselves at least a little accountable for their own mistakes, I'll hold Jimmy Carter accountable for saying that Democrats care more than Republicans. Because the truth is the GOP is making Jimmy Carter's words ring truer than they should.

 

Do I think the Republican leadership gives two s***s about helping the poor? No I really don't think that they do.

Do I think the Republican leadership gives two s***s about the acceptability of torture under any circumstance? No I don't think that they do. And their actions seem to belie that point specifically.

 

Before anyone flames me about just hating the Bush administration or whatever, I didn't say that all Democrats or that the Dem leadership does or would... but at least I know that a lot of the people fighting for Democratic representation will hold their guys feet to the fire when it comes to this.

 

A lot of the Dems that I've talked to, that I've worked with, that have gotten inspired in the last three years to be activist, aren't going to give their rep a free pass because of the D after their name. I sure as hell won't either. The Democrats I support at least are giving lip service to the issues that I care about - that's why I support them. I find it hard to find many in the GOP who give two s***s about what I care about, with the possible exception of immigration reform.

 

I'm partisan, but I haven't always been. I feel painted in that corner.

 

So what you are saying is that this isn't what you are looking for?

 

http://www.therazor.org/saddam2008/