DBAHO Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 9, 2006 -> 05:52 PM) God I love small sample sizes. What would those #'s be if you excluded our first game and the Indians second game? Or if Ozuna caught those 2 fly balls? Or Pods had a few steals? Or Dye had played mor ethan 1/2 our games? Points taken, but you can't argue that early on that if one or two of our SP's are off (like Garcia and Garland have been), it's going to make a difference in terms of the more amount of runs we give up this season (not to mention the difference in guys in the pen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Maybe something along the lines of Garcia and Politte to Anaheim for Shields and Weaver? Then again, it's going to take another month or so before anybody can accurately evaluate this team. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 2nd part, agree. 1st part, no chance, Weaver is a Boras client. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 KW needs to fix this problem asap! I know alot of sox fans weren't big fans of Luis Vizciano, but he brought it every single time, and other than that debacle vs Cleveland early last year he had a pretty successful season. I wish we had him over Logan or Thorton at this point. We couldn't have got Vazquez for just El-duque and Young? I hate to 2nd guess KW, but he covered alot of things this offseason- EXCEPT the bullpen. And its that bullpen we have right now, which is going to lose the division! DO SOMETHING KENNY! Pull some of your magic! I know its practcally going to be impossible to make a trade this early on in the year, but there has to be something out there another team is willing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 QUOTE(POPPY_HIDALGO @ Apr 8, 2006 -> 06:17 PM) So, you're happy that they are losing and can already tell none of my predictions will come true after 4 games? Yawn. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ooooh, I like this POPPY_HIDALGO better than the old one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ Apr 9, 2006 -> 06:02 AM) 2nd part, agree. 1st part, no chance, Weaver is a Boras client. I'm not saying that we'd keep Weaver around after his current contract expired, so there'd be no need for JR and KW to negotiate with Boras. Isn't Crede a Boras client as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Apr 9, 2006 -> 02:41 PM) Isn't Crede a Boras client as well? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 I'm not saying that we'd keep Weaver around after his current contract expired, so there'd be no need for JR and KW to negotiate with Boras. Isn't Crede a Boras client as well? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They drafted Weaver once and had extremely acrimonious negotiations. The White Sox are big advocates of locking up their pitching and they wouldn't trade for a guy like Weaver who they'd have little chance of locking up long term. Crede is still arb. eligible, big difference. Neither Reinsdorf or KW have much, if anything, to do with Boras. Dennis Gilbert handled the Crede arbitration deal this offseason. Not sure why the Angels would part with Shields either. Not to mention the White Sox are looking to add talent, vs. peddling it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ Apr 9, 2006 -> 11:58 AM) They drafted Weaver once and had extremely acrimonious negotiations. The White Sox are big advocates of locking up their pitching and they wouldn't trade for a guy like Weaver who they'd have little chance of locking up long term. Crede is still arb. eligible, big difference. Neither Reinsdorf or KW have much, if anything, to do with Boras. Dennis Gilbert handled the Crede arbitration deal this offseason. Not sure why the Angels would part with Shields either. Not to mention the White Sox are looking to add talent, vs. peddling it. I'm aware of the Sox's history with Weaver. But since McCarthy is expected to move into the #5 spot next year, there'd be no need to re-sign Weaver after this season. Getting rid of the $9 million or so that Garcia will be owed next year would also be a plus. God bless Freddy for what he did for the Sox last year, but I don't see him as a long-term prospect for the Sox, especially considering his salary. Agreed that getting Shields from the Angels might be difficult. If Clemens decides to hang up his spikes, a trade with bullpen-rich Houston might be a better alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 I'm aware of the Sox's history with Weaver. But since McCarthy is expected to move into the #5 spot next year, there'd be no need to re-sign Weaver after this season. Getting rid of the $9 million or so that Garcia will be owed next year would also be a plus. God bless Freddy for what he did for the Sox last year, but I don't see him as a long-term prospect for the Sox, especially considering his salary. Agreed that getting Shields from the Angels might be difficult. If Clemens decides to hang up his spikes, a trade with bullpen-rich Houston might be a better alternative. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> KW said he doesn't plan on trading starting pitching this season, especially to move sideways. I believe him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Trades of one starting pitcher/reliever for another starting pitcher/reliever doesn't happen like that. Why would the Angels do that anyways? Shields is just as important to their team as any starting pitcher. Also, the Sox won't bring back Weaver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxtalk.com Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Last year we were stacked in the pitching department. This year we have the starters and the hitters. Can we repeat with the bullpen we have? BTW, how sick did Buehrle pitch today...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 QUOTE(talkchisox @ Apr 9, 2006 -> 04:08 PM) Last year we were stacked in the pitching department. This year we have the starters and the hitters. Can we repeat with the bullpen we have? BTW, how sick did Buehrle pitch today...! Awww, yer so cute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinWhiteDuque Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Just a shot in the dark, here...But I would LOVE to see KW acquire Ryan Church somehow. Church is an excellent player: A gamer in his prime (he's 27, I believe). He's with Washington's AAA team right now. He doesn't seem to be Jim Bowden's type of player: Not flashy enough I guess. Anyway, I think he'd be a great fit on the SOX; he'd give us a real backup LF (adios Pablo), and he'd be an above-average starter if Pods can't get it together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 QUOTE(ThinWhiteDuque @ Apr 9, 2006 -> 04:24 PM) Just a shot in the dark, here...But I would LOVE to see KW acquire Ryan Church somehow. I posted it before and I'll post it again. Kenny.. get Church Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 I think its funny how people are calling for Weaver to be on this team. Why would you downgrade the pitching staff, and trade for a guy who isnt as good as your 6th SP (BMAC). Hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 9, 2006 -> 01:49 PM) I think its funny how people are calling for Weaver to be on this team. Why would you downgrade the pitching staff, and trade for a guy who isnt as good as your 6th SP (BMAC). Hilarious. The idea is to strengthen the bullpen at the expense of our #5 starter. Weaver was just an example of a #4 or #5 that could be involved. It's probably too early to be talking about this anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Schuerholz was on the radio today pubbing his new book. He said the Braves always build a team LAST turning to middle relief. He says they build the starting staff, the everyday lineup, of course get a closer, then piece together middle relief. Kenny is no dummy. Hopefully this is a work in progress. With Hermy hurt, he needs to get us a Hermy clone and maybe he will. Other than that, I'd start pitching Brandon the bulk of the middle relief work. He looks like the best of a mediocre crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Apr 9, 2006 -> 03:12 PM) The idea is to strengthen the bullpen at the expense of our #5 starter. Weaver was just an example of a #4 or #5 that could be involved. It's probably too early to be talking about this anyway. Hahaha are you kidding me. I love the xbox trade idea, polite and Freddy for Shields and Weaver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 9, 2006 -> 07:20 PM) Hahaha are you kidding me. I love the xbox trade idea, polite and Freddy for Shields and Weaver. You're right. Having six starting pitchers and only three reliable relievers (one of whom is a starter) is the way to go! I hope that Politte picks it up and Hermanson gets healthy in the next month or so. Otherwise, we may be in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 No argument whatsoever that this team will probably need bullpen help. Highly doubtful KW would trade pitching to get it though. Think prospects, that's been his MO for trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Apr 10, 2006 -> 09:10 AM) You're right. Having six starting pitchers and only three reliable relievers (one of whom is a starter) is the way to go! I hope that Politte picks it up and Hermanson gets healthy in the next month or so. Otherwise, we may be in trouble. Maybe I will lower my statement so it doesnt go so far over your head this time: The trade was xbox-caliber meaning it was one sided and retarded. Case closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 10, 2006 -> 08:18 AM) Maybe I will lower my statement so it doesnt go so far over your head this time: The trade was xbox-caliber meaning it was one sided and retarded. Case closed. Since you can't offer an argument more convincing than that crap, I'll take your statement as a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Apr 10, 2006 -> 09:44 AM) Since you can't offer an argument more convincing than that crap, I'll take your statement as a compliment. If you consider me calling out a horribly ridiculous and improbable trade proposition a compliment, then have a go at it. In fact, let me know when the Joe Crede and Paul Konerko for Rolen and Pujols trade is in the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 10, 2006 -> 10:01 AM) If you consider me calling out a horribly ridiculous and improbable trade proposition a compliment, then have a go at it. In fact, let me know when the Joe Crede and Paul Konerko for Rolen and Pujols trade is in the works. "Horribly ridiculous", my ass. Weaver isn't in the same league as Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Apr 10, 2006 -> 11:31 AM) "Horribly ridiculous", my ass. Weaver isn't in the same league as Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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