Now this is just ridiculous...

[CubKilla]

Originally posted by doubleM23

Originally posted by CubKilla

Originally posted by doubleM23

OK, I'm gonna keep this brief.

 

I will never change.  I've been exposed to too much violence, crime, and poverty to ever consider changing now.

 

I've nearly been killed before for what I believe in; I'm not about to start reconsidering now.

 

Actually, everytime someone tries to show me the error of my ways, they just cement them further in.

 

I'm in this fight for life.

 

Just proves to me you have no grip or concept of real life. Anybody knows that life is always changing and evolving. To think that politics, real life, emotions, etc. don't change and that you cannot change a specific political view, real life scenario, emotion, etc. to better suit a group of people when confronted with certain facts proves, to me at least, that you are a spoiled brat and, more than likely, are waiting for something to be handed to you. I will not expound on this post any further to avoid being labeled a blood-thristy, neanderthal, Hitler by doubleM simply because he has no grasp on real life. I'm out.....

 

Hell no, I don't expect anything to be handed to me... s***, I eat three meals a day and I have a roof over my head... What more do I need? I'm all about hand outs to those who've had the cards stacked against them since Day 1.

 

For 7 or 8 generations too huh? What's wrong with telling "those" to get up off their dead f***ing ass and do something with your life? Break the cycle of "cards"..... so to speak. I'm so sick of hearing groups, particularly minorities, that the middle/upper class have been keeping them down for all this time. Bulls***! For decades the middle/upper class taxpayers have been paying for their food, medical bills, utilities, housing, child care, etc. Not to mention that ALL people in this country (including the immigrants) have an equal opportunity to do what they make of public education. The real crime against minorities has been perpetrated by the liberals..... constantly telling the minorities that, without their vote, they will lose all of the public assistance aid which is given to them so freely. The "cards" dealt to the people who have the "(odds) stacked against them since Day 1" are dealt by the liberals whose ideology you so vigorously embrace.

[Molto]

I'm kinda lost on this topic cause it seems to date back a good length, but I'll say this.

 

I for one hate the educational system for the main reason jason said.

 

there are too many bulls*** classes and too many teachers who are there because they know the subject rather than know how to teach it.

 

I've been going to school since I was 6 years old and I have to say I've had 5-6 good teachers. most of them came in the two years I've been in college. I've learned more about history in the past two semesters with somewhat decent teachers than my whole grammar and high school education.

 

the problem I believe is too many teachers go from a book. take history for instance. if you read a history book you get in school, you only grasp very little of the story and they focus too much on date, people, and memorizing rather than understanding why a particular thing happened and trying to look at things from all angles.

 

back to the classes. I still don't understand why soo much attention is given to classes like Science. as jason said, put more classes that deal with the real world. instead of using books that were written 40 years ago and published based on what was written in there is appropriate, get them involved in everyday scenario's.

 

anyone who lives in chicago knows about the recent publications of the "Red Eye" and "Red Streak". they have to make magazines like this to try to lure the generation of today.

 

I think it is quite said how they have to chop a story in half and put a BIG OLD font on it to get people to read it. I find it sad that they have to word it so that the current generation will grasp it. I find it really funny how they actually have to put a map of CANADA on it and identify where it is at.

 

I also find it funny that SOOO many people show little interest with the situation in Iraq, the economy, and political situations.

 

I also find it funny that there are soo many complainers out there. it seems like everywhere I look you got people crying, saying America this and America that, and continually complaining how "bad" this country is. they fail to realize that this is the only damn country in the world who will allow to even say such things.

 

I hate how people cry, but don't vote. and there reason is because "my vote won't make a difference". how people argue a topic, but make no effort to improve teh situation.

 

I also hate how many complain about the lack of opportunity and how the "rich" people keep them down. people from all over the damn world come here because of the opportunity to succeed, why can't the citizens in our own damn country accept that. why do we have so many people that don't understand that America is a country where you have to fend for yourselfs and can't depend on the person next to you.

 

the rich didn't get rich based on luck, but because they had an idea and busted their ass.

 

I got myself worked up now, I can even think straight. :mad:

 

in short, America is the greatest country out there. if you see a problem, go fix it instead of b****ing.

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by CubKilla

Originally posted by doubleM23

Originally posted by CubKilla

Originally posted by doubleM23

OK, I'm gonna keep this brief.

 

I will never change.  I've been exposed to too much violence, crime, and poverty to ever consider changing now.

 

I've nearly been killed before for what I believe in; I'm not about to start reconsidering now.

 

Actually, everytime someone tries to show me the error of my ways, they just cement them further in.

 

I'm in this fight for life.

 

Just proves to me you have no grip or concept of real life. Anybody knows that life is always changing and evolving. To think that politics, real life, emotions, etc. don't change and that you cannot change a specific political view, real life scenario, emotion, etc. to better suit a group of people when confronted with certain facts proves, to me at least, that you are a spoiled brat and, more than likely, are waiting for something to be handed to you. I will not expound on this post any further to avoid being labeled a blood-thristy, neanderthal, Hitler by doubleM simply because he has no grasp on real life. I'm out.....

 

Hell no, I don't expect anything to be handed to me... s***, I eat three meals a day and I have a roof over my head... What more do I need? I'm all about hand outs to those who've had the cards stacked against them since Day 1.

 

For 7 or 8 generations too huh? What's wrong with telling "those" to get up off their dead f***ing ass and do something with your life? Break the cycle of "cards"..... so to speak. I'm so sick of hearing groups, particularly minorities, that the middle/upper class have been keeping them down for all this time. Bulls***! For decades the middle/upper class taxpayers have been paying for their food, medical bills, utilities, housing, child care, etc. Not to mention that ALL people in this country (including the immigrants) have an equal opportunity to do what they make of public education. The real crime against minorities has been perpetrated by the liberals..... constantly telling the minorities that, without their vote, they will lose all of the public assistance aid which is given to them so freely. The "cards" dealt to the people who have the "(odds) stacked against them since Day 1" are dealt by the liberals whose ideology you so vigorously embrace.

 

Oh please! Tell me the people going to Morgan Park and the rest of the CPS schools have the same opprotunities as the people who go to Whitney Young or New Trier.

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by Molto

I also hate how many complain about the lack of opportunity and how the "rich" people keep them down.  people from all over the damn world come here because of the opportunity to succeed, why can't the citizens in our own damn country accept that.  why do we have so many people that don't understand that America is a country where you have to fend for yourselfs and can't depend on the person next to you.

 

the rich didn't get rich based on luck, but because they had an idea and busted their ass.

 

I'm not saying give them a mansion with a Mercedes Benz and filet mingoin three times a day. All people are entitled to certain rights just because they're human... The right to decent shelter, health care, and education. Is anyone else disturbed that Bill Gates has enough money to feed the entire planet at McDonald's for like a day when over 10% of the population of the wealthiest nation on Earth lives in poverty?

 

In 2001, according to the official measure, 11.7 percent of the total U.S. population lived in poverty

 

http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/irp/faqs/faq3.htm

 

I don't mind economic disparity. Despite the fact I am a socialist, I agree that there needs to be some incentive for people (like, the ability to buy the Mercedeses, mansions, and send their kids to good schools and colleges), else they'll sit on their ass and do nothing (a la the USSR towards the end), but you can't expect people in the projects or on the street, who are born addicted to crack or otehr drugs, to pick themselves up and make something of their life. That's about as insane as having someone beat you to near death and then force you to run a marathon and then get pissed off when you don't finish in respectable time.

 

And, yes, I do think a major reason people succeed and fail is based on luck. Hell, just getting BORN in the United States is beating the odds, let alone getting born into a family with a little money.

 

And s***, why does everyone think I'm going after your (middle class) money? f***, the people at the top have more than enough to support the country, and probably the world... Problem is they pretty much run the government and won't let anything like that ever happen. Some democracy.

 

And I think Malcolm X said it best in his autobiography (yes, I know it was written by Alex Haley), "If you want something in life, you had better make some noise."

[Molto]

but that is America. if someone live in this country and honestly believe people need to sympahize for them and give them something, they should leave.

 

like I said, there are PLENTY of people who come here with little to no money and make it. these are people with no family here, can't speak the language, no education, yet they can make it, why can't the people who were here?

 

my parents came here from italy with little money. they busted their ass, saved their money and are now in good financial shape. they couldn't even speak english, yet they made it.

 

also, we have public school don't we? sure the education isn't great, but if you want to improve your life do good within the educational system and go out and a get job. instead people drop out and live off the streets then go complain about stuff.

 

what you are saying is that Bill Gates should be forced to supply money that HE EARNED AND WORKED for to others who didn't? so basically its "f*** up if you want, we'll always be there for you".

 

I believe some people are in bad situations and deserve help, but there are MANY who brought that upon themselves.

 

and you know what, all these people who complain about the government and the rich people, those are the same people who if for some reason they get rich, they'll act the same damn way.

 

that is just my opinion.

[SI1020]

Originally posted by HeatherTheRedbird

Originally posted by Chisoxfn

Anyway, if good teachers could get paid more and the poor ones could get fired, then the teaching system would be a whole lot better because smarter people would go into it.  I'm not implying all teachers are stupid, but I know most of mine were.

 

As a secondary mathematics education major, I thought I'd pipe in here. A major source for the paucity of truly competent teachers is that many universities allow students studying to be teachers to follow the easy route to graduation by providing them with very low expectations. The first thing we can do to improve the educational system here in this country is to improve the manner of which teachers are educated. I attend Illinois State University, which ranks #2 on the list of Teacher Education programs in the entire nation, and I even see flaws here. I have taken several teaching methods courses, and they are too basic! THIS is a problem!

One of the problems with teacher education today is that the schools spend most of their time teaching BS politically correct "methods" classes at the expense of real content. I wish you luck in your math program. This country needs effective math teachers badly. American kids rank among the worlds best in the grammar and middle school years on math tests. By the end of High School they rank among the worlds worst. I know that is case with me. I was an A math student in grammar school but have always had difficulty with understanding the "language" of higher math. Algebra and Geometry were a disaster for me in high school and college. When I went back to school as an adult I put off math to the very end and with the help of a very good tutor (my wife) was able to pull off two fairly complicated math classes including a Masters level statistics class. Numbers were always a snap for me. When I was a little kid I could compute batting averages in my head but you know as well as I that Algebra, Geometry and Trig are altogether different. Many people have trouble "deciphering" the language of higher math. It's like looking at a foreign language you've never read or spoken. The math teacher that can accomplish this is worth his or her weight in gold IMO. Also, most math books and math teachers have the personality of a table top. Your internet personality is great, also your sense of humor. I'm sure you're just as dynamic in real life. So I wish you luck, you have no idea what a noble service you will provide if you can effectively teach math.

[bjmarte]

Originally posted by doubleM23

 

And s***, why does everyone think I'm going after your (middle class) money?  f***, the people at the top have more than enough to support the country, and probably the world... Problem is they pretty much run the government and won't let anything like that ever happen.  Some democracy.

 

Wait until you graduate and start making middle class money and paying middle class taxes and you'll know why.

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by bjmarte

Originally posted by doubleM23

 

And s***, why does everyone think I'm going after your (middle class) money?  f***, the people at the top have more than enough to support the country, and probably the world... Problem is they pretty much run the government and won't let anything like that ever happen.  Some democracy.

 

Wait until you graduate and start making middle class money and paying middle class taxes and you'll know why.

 

Right, I know the middle class is over-taxed... That's why I believe in taxing the rich the hardest because they have the most expendable income. Such a large disparity between the wealthy and the poor is not healthy for any economy (see America in the late 1920s).

 

I don't quite understand your point. I know that I'll probably be middle class for my whole life and I understand that I will be taxed to death because of it. That's why I kick and scream for tax reform. The middle and lower class (AKA... the majority) need to take back the political power from the wealthy. Right now, you and I live in a dollar dictatorship... If you got money, you got power.

[CubKilla]

Originally posted by doubleM23

Originally posted by CubKilla

Originally posted by doubleM23

Originally posted by CubKilla

Originally posted by doubleM23

OK, I'm gonna keep this brief.

 

I will never change.  I've been exposed to too much violence, crime, and poverty to ever consider changing now.

 

I've nearly been killed before for what I believe in; I'm not about to start reconsidering now.

 

Actually, everytime someone tries to show me the error of my ways, they just cement them further in.

 

I'm in this fight for life.

 

Just proves to me you have no grip or concept of real life. Anybody knows that life is always changing and evolving. To think that politics, real life, emotions, etc. don't change and that you cannot change a specific political view, real life scenario, emotion, etc. to better suit a group of people when confronted with certain facts proves, to me at least, that you are a spoiled brat and, more than likely, are waiting for something to be handed to you. I will not expound on this post any further to avoid being labeled a blood-thristy, neanderthal, Hitler by doubleM simply because he has no grasp on real life. I'm out.....

 

Hell no, I don't expect anything to be handed to me... s***, I eat three meals a day and I have a roof over my head... What more do I need? I'm all about hand outs to those who've had the cards stacked against them since Day 1.

 

For 7 or 8 generations too huh? What's wrong with telling "those" to get up off their dead f***ing ass and do something with your life? Break the cycle of "cards"..... so to speak. I'm so sick of hearing groups, particularly minorities, that the middle/upper class have been keeping them down for all this time. Bulls***! For decades the middle/upper class taxpayers have been paying for their food, medical bills, utilities, housing, child care, etc. Not to mention that ALL people in this country (including the immigrants) have an equal opportunity to do what they make of public education. The real crime against minorities has been perpetrated by the liberals..... constantly telling the minorities that, without their vote, they will lose all of the public assistance aid which is given to them so freely. The "cards" dealt to the people who have the "(odds) stacked against them since Day 1" are dealt by the liberals whose ideology you so vigorously embrace.

 

Oh please! Tell me the people going to Morgan Park and the rest of the CPS schools have the same opprotunities as the people who go to Whitney Young or New Trier.

 

First off, Whitney Young is for the brightest CPS HS students. And guess what? Special concessions are made for minorities . Guess what this means? Yup..... more deserving white males (and other minorities if they aren't the right one for a quota) are left to attend your ordinary, garden variety CPS HS. This is the same for the other 5 or 6 CPS Vocational schools. And New Trier, whether it is or isn't an excellent public school, has everything to do with living in the Township in which New Trier is located. It has nothing to do with exclusivity.

[bjmarte]

Originally posted by doubleM23

Originally posted by bjmarte

Originally posted by doubleM23

 

And s***, why does everyone think I'm going after your (middle class) money?  f***, the people at the top have more than enough to support the country, and probably the world... Problem is they pretty much run the government and won't let anything like that ever happen.  Some democracy.

 

Wait until you graduate and start making middle class money and paying middle class taxes and you'll know why.

 

Right, I know the middle class is over-taxed... That's why I believe in taxing the rich the hardest because they have the most expendable income. Such a large disparity between the wealthy and the poor is not healthy for any economy (see America in the late 1920s).

 

I don't quite understand your point. I know that I'll probably be middle class for my whole life and I understand that I will be taxed to death because of it. That's why I kick and scream for tax reform. The middle and lower class (AKA... the majority) need to take back the political power from the wealthy. Right now, you and I live in a dollar dictatorship... If you got money, you got power.

 

Do unto others as you don't want done to you?

 

In one post you say you understand incentive and then you talk about removing the incentive to be successful. You can't put aside the fact that punishing the most successful will weigh down the economy and hurt everyone.

 

Even if you do, nobody who understands how politics and power work believe that it would ever stop at the wealthy. Power always seeks more power. Someone will always want to demonize someone else for their own gain. Once you're done with the wealthy I have no doubt who would be next.

[SI1020]

I was going to tell him about Whitney Young but I didn't think he'd listen because he's not changing his mind about anything no matter what.

[Chisoxfn]

Originally posted by bjmarte

Originally posted by doubleM23

 

And s***, why does everyone think I'm going after your (middle class) money?  f***, the people at the top have more than enough to support the country, and probably the world... Problem is they pretty much run the government and won't let anything like that ever happen.  Some democracy.

 

Wait until you graduate and start making middle class money and paying middle class taxes and you'll know why.

 

Isn't a democracy a people government so everyone should pay the taxes. If you make less, then you should pay less, just like if you make more you should pay more, but just because someone makes a whole lot doesn't mean their %'s should just keep shooting up. I know its how the government gets their money, but whose to say they deserve to get their money taken away, simply because they can live in a nicer house and car.

 

Me, I make a whole 7.50 an hour working part time, but I know even then I b**** everytime the government takes my money. Of course I get most of it back, but I couldn't even imagine working my ass off to pull 100k a year or so and seeing boatloads(Something like 30% of it, maybe more like 25%) taken away for taxes.

 

I think taxes are the biggest reason I support the republican party. I'd like the government to stay out of my affairs when it comes to business and all that other stuff. Their job is to protect us with laws and the police enforcing them as well as offering military protection. Let the businessmen do their stuff.

 

Of course government also needs to help out with education and other things that help society grow.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[Chisoxfn]

Originally posted by doubleM23

Originally posted by CubKilla

Originally posted by doubleM23

Originally posted by CubKilla

Originally posted by doubleM23

OK, I'm gonna keep this brief.

 

I will never change.  I've been exposed to too much violence, crime, and poverty to ever consider changing now.

 

I've nearly been killed before for what I believe in; I'm not about to start reconsidering now.

 

Actually, everytime someone tries to show me the error of my ways, they just cement them further in.

 

I'm in this fight for life.

 

Just proves to me you have no grip or concept of real life. Anybody knows that life is always changing and evolving. To think that politics, real life, emotions, etc. don't change and that you cannot change a specific political view, real life scenario, emotion, etc. to better suit a group of people when confronted with certain facts proves, to me at least, that you are a spoiled brat and, more than likely, are waiting for something to be handed to you. I will not expound on this post any further to avoid being labeled a blood-thristy, neanderthal, Hitler by doubleM simply because he has no grasp on real life. I'm out.....

 

Hell no, I don't expect anything to be handed to me... s***, I eat three meals a day and I have a roof over my head... What more do I need? I'm all about hand outs to those who've had the cards stacked against them since Day 1.

 

For 7 or 8 generations too huh? What's wrong with telling "those" to get up off their dead f***ing ass and do something with your life? Break the cycle of "cards"..... so to speak. I'm so sick of hearing groups, particularly minorities, that the middle/upper class have been keeping them down for all this time. Bulls***! For decades the middle/upper class taxpayers have been paying for their food, medical bills, utilities, housing, child care, etc. Not to mention that ALL people in this country (including the immigrants) have an equal opportunity to do what they make of public education. The real crime against minorities has been perpetrated by the liberals..... constantly telling the minorities that, without their vote, they will lose all of the public assistance aid which is given to them so freely. The "cards" dealt to the people who have the "(odds) stacked against them since Day 1" are dealt by the liberals whose ideology you so vigorously embrace.

 

Oh please! Tell me the people going to Morgan Park and the rest of the CPS schools have the same opprotunities as the people who go to Whitney Young or New Trier.

 

They may not have as good of opportunities, but neither did my parents when they grew up, especially my dad who came from a poor farming town in Iowa where his family damn near died because they didn't have food. That didn't stop them from busting their ass and making enough out of life. My dad then joined the Navy Reserves so he could get money for school and went on to college where he learned a little something, but just kept working his ass off, putting me in position where I can have a roof under my table and not worry about the problems he had to when he was younger.

 

His school system wasn't that great back then. The thing is you have to want to learn and you need to make the most out of your situation. Yes, some people just get screwed in life or have things keep getting them, and they deserve help, but other people I know from experience don't fall in that boat. I'm happy to help anyone out who works their ass of cause I know that they will eventually not ask for you help, but if they are lazy, then the hell with them. Sorry, but thats how I feel.

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by CubKilla

First off, Whitney Young is for the brightest CPS HS students. And guess what? Special concessions are made for minorities . Guess what this means? Yup..... more deserving white males (and other minorities if they aren't the right one for a quota) are left to attend your ordinary, garden variety CPS HS. This is the same for the other 5 or 6 CPS Vocational schools. And New Trier, whether it is or isn't an excellent public school, has everything to do with living in the Township in which New Trier is located. It has nothing to do with exclusivity.

 

Oh, please! Dry that myth about Young and you can fertilize the lawn. I know kids who went there who didn't live in the city and I also know kids who go/went there who are about as thick as a brick (but they're also worth quite a bit of money).

 

And the problem isn't that New Trier is a better or worse school than like Morgan Park; the problem is that New Trier gets a ton more funding because its located in an area with higher property values.

 

And everyone seems to still mis my point... I applaud people who work hard and try to better their lives. They should be rewarded with nicer things, bigger houses, etc. etc.

 

HOWEVER, all people are entitled to proper shelter, adequate health care, and a decent education. No matter what, you should not be allowed to take these three basics away. It makes it SOOOOOO much easier to climb up and make something of your life when you have a place to go home to every night and a place to take a hot shower in the morning, and peace of mind knowing that if you get sick or injured, your finnacial life won't be catastrophically ruined.

[Chisoxfn]

Originally posted by doubleM23

Originally posted by CubKilla

First off, Whitney Young is for the brightest CPS HS students. And guess what? Special concessions are made for minorities . Guess what this means? Yup..... more deserving white males (and other minorities if they aren't the right one for a quota) are left to attend your ordinary, garden variety CPS HS. This is the same for the other 5 or 6 CPS Vocational schools. And New Trier, whether it is or isn't an excellent public school, has everything to do with living in the Township in which New Trier is located. It has nothing to do with exclusivity.

 

Oh, please! Dry that myth about Young and you can fertilize the lawn. I know kids who went there who didn't live in the city and I also know kids who go/went there who are about as thick as a brick (but they're also worth quite a bit of money).

 

And the problem isn't that New Trier is a better or worse school than like Morgan Park; the problem is that New Trier gets a ton more funding because its located in an area with higher property values.

 

And everyone seems to still mis my point... I applaud people who work hard and try to better their lives. They should be rewarded with nicer things, bigger houses, etc. etc.

 

HOWEVER, all people are entitled to proper shelter, adequate health care, and a decent education. No matter what, you should not be allowed to take these three basics away. It makes it SOOOOOO much easier to climb up and make something of your life when you have a place to go home to every night and a place to take a hot shower in the morning, and peace of mind knowing that if you get sick or injured, your finnacial life won't be catastrophically ruined.

 

I think all children deserve those things, but if those children don't take advantage of what is given to them and just stay lazy and become crackheads or something, then screw them. Go spend your tax money on people that will take advantage of the help.

 

Most of my friends think like you Matt, but I think since I work for a pretty good size company I simply see things different. It isn't wrong to want to help people, I think the thing is, a ton of people get helped and just mooch of it. It is those people that don't deserve the help and the system needs to be fixed so it doesn't happen.

 

Its an impossible task to do, but hey...just cause its impossible doesn't mean you shouldn't work on it.

 

Also, their is nothing I hate more then hearing about racism, because I Think all that quota crap is reverse racism. I understand that many other races get discrimminated, but I Know that I don't do that, nor do the majority of the people in the United States anymore and in all hoensty I don't see how forcing someone into a job, improves the situation.

 

Its just like punishing those who did the discriminating and that doesn't solve anything. Discrimination will never completely go away, but its a whole lot better now, and it will only continue to become that way as the young people of America as well as the older people all meet more cultures and interact with them more and more often on a day to day basis.

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by Chisoxfn

Most of my friends think like you Matt, but I think since I work for a pretty good size company I simply see things different.  It isn't wrong to want to help people, I think the thing is, a ton of people get helped and just mooch of it.  It is those people that don't deserve the help and the system needs to be fixed so it doesn't happen.

 

Here's your solution: LEGALIZE DRUGS...

 

First, a lot of people who only start to be "rebellious" don't 'cuz crack is no longer a "rebellious" drug.

 

Then, you tax the hell out of the drugs, so the people who get hooked eat a huge hole out of taxes and eventually pay (at least in part), for their rehab and thirdly, you make drugs vastly less dangerous as they are put under government control instead of some other cokehead on the street.

 

Also, as I've seen from most of the people I see who ended up being drug addicts, they either started A) because it was cool to "rebel" or B) because they used it as a means to escape their s***ty reality. Make reality a little more palpable for some people (i.e. ensure them a house, health, and education) and watch how fast a lot of people stop doing drugs.

 

That, and drug money funds shady organizations, both in and out of the country... why not siphon that money to the federal government? As much as I mistrust the government at times, I'd rather give them the drug money instead of the gangbangers on the West Side.

 

But you're most definitely right. I'm not saying hold people's hands through life. I'm saying offer them basic human rights and let them work with that.

[Chisoxfn]

I like that idea of taxing the hell out of those buying the drugs. I know they already tax the hell out of cigarettes, but I think most of that money goes to preventing further smoking.

 

If the gov. wanted to turn a profit they'd just tax the hell out of drugs, like a 200% tax and just use it to improve hte country.

 

Of course with a high/drugged up society, things wouldn't get done much. I could see the stories now, Munchies close down Jack in the Box!!!!

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by Chisoxfn

Of course with a high/drugged up society, things wouldn't get done much.  I could see the stories now, Munchies close down Jack in the Box!!!!

 

Well, I don't know... Isn't it a well-known psychological fact that if you tell people not to do something, human curiosity will intuitively do it? Maybe if the government didn't waste so much time telling people NOT to do drugs and turn them into a cash crop, people would stop buying the s***.

[Chisoxfn]

I think they wouldn't do heroin and all that other crap, but Marijuana would overthrow tobacco if you ask me.

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by bjmarte

Originally posted by doubleM23

Originally posted by bjmarte

Originally posted by doubleM23

 

And s***, why does everyone think I'm going after your (middle class) money?  f***, the people at the top have more than enough to support the country, and probably the world... Problem is they pretty much run the government and won't let anything like that ever happen.  Some democracy.

 

Wait until you graduate and start making middle class money and paying middle class taxes and you'll know why.

 

Right, I know the middle class is over-taxed... That's why I believe in taxing the rich the hardest because they have the most expendable income. Such a large disparity between the wealthy and the poor is not healthy for any economy (see America in the late 1920s).

 

I don't quite understand your point. I know that I'll probably be middle class for my whole life and I understand that I will be taxed to death because of it. That's why I kick and scream for tax reform. The middle and lower class (AKA... the majority) need to take back the political power from the wealthy. Right now, you and I live in a dollar dictatorship... If you got money, you got power.

 

Do unto others as you don't want done to you?

 

In one post you say you understand incentive and then you talk about removing the incentive to be successful. You can't put aside the fact that punishing the most successful will weigh down the economy and hurt everyone.

 

Even if you do, nobody who understands how politics and power work believe that it would ever stop at the wealthy. Power always seeks more power. Someone will always want to demonize someone else for their own gain. Once you're done with the wealthy I have no doubt who would be next.

 

Actually, "punishing" the rich (hence, taxing them more) to keep the disparity between the very rich and the very poor low HELPS the economy more than it hurts it. When people have so much, they can no longer spend it, it goes to waste, sitting in a bank or somewhere else. When the poor get it, they use that money to purchase things, meaning it gets refunnelled back into the economy. One man alone (with an extreme amount of wealth) doesn't need 500 toasters, but spread that wealth out a little amonfst 500 people, and suddenly, you've gone from selling 1 toaster to selling 501. I'm not a master of economics, so I dumbed that down primarily for me, but the basic concepts work.

 

But lets look at another quick hypothetical. Say someone is making $25,000 a year and because of that (and I'm making these numbers up for simplicity's sake), he winds up losing 20% of his income to taxes...

 

20% of 25,000 is 5,000 meaning he has 20,000 left after taxes.

 

Now, someone else makes 80,000 a year, and since h'es in a higher bracket, he gets taxed more; say, 30%...

 

30% of 80,000 is 24,000... Meaning he still has $56,000 left after taxes.

 

s***, let's make it higher... 40%? That'd be a $32,000 loss to taxes for a whopping final of $48,000.

 

Granted, I just pulled these numbers out of my ass, but I fail to see how taxing the rich heavier causes people to not want to work harder. Yes, you lose more, but you also end up with more. I think the majority of people are still going to want the job that pays $80,000 a year (that yields $48,000-$56,000 a year) instead of the one that pays $25,000 a year and yields $20,000 despite the fact that you're losing anywhere from about 5-6 times as much on taxes.

 

Obviously you don't tax the rich so much that they end up with less money than those in lower brackets else, that would begin to weigh on the economy; however, concentrating mass amounts of wealth in few hands is also an uhealthy economic practice.

[Spiff]

Originally posted by doubleM23Actually, "punishing" the rich (hence, taxing them more) to keep the disparity between the very rich and the very poor low HELPS the economy more than it hurts it.  When people have so much, they can no longer spend it, it goes to waste, sitting in a bank or somewhere else.  When the poor get it, they use that money to purchase things, meaning it gets refunnelled back into the economy.  One man alone (with an extreme amount of wealth) doesn't need 500 toasters, but spread that wealth out a little amonfst 500 people, and suddenly, you've gone from selling 1 toaster to selling 501.  I'm not a master of economics, so I dumbed that down primarily for me, but the basic concepts work.

 

But lets look at another quick hypothetical.  Say someone is making $25,000 a year and because of that (and I'm making these numbers up for simplicity's sake), he winds up losing 20% of his income to taxes...

 

20% of 25,000 is 5,000 meaning he has 20,000 left after taxes.

 

Now, someone else makes 80,000 a year, and since h'es in a higher bracket, he gets taxed more; say, 30%...

 

30% of 80,000 is 24,000... Meaning he still has $56,000 left after taxes.

 

s***, let's make it higher... 40%?  That'd be a $32,000 loss to taxes for a whopping final of $48,000.

 

Granted, I just pulled these numbers out of my ass, but I fail to see how taxing the rich heavier causes people to not want to work harder.  Yes, you lose more, but you also end up with more.  I think the majority of people are still going to want the job that pays $80,000 a year (that yields $48,000-$56,000 a year) instead of the one that pays $25,000 a year and yields $20,000 despite the fact that you're losing anywhere from about 5-6 times as much on taxes.

 

Obviously you don't tax the rich so much that they end up with less money than those in lower brackets else, that would begin to weigh on the economy; however, concentrating mass amounts of wealth in few hands is also an uhealthy economic practice.

 

Who the f*** are you to say the rich deserve to be "punished?"

 

Money in a bank doesn't go to waste. The more money there is in a bank, the more they have to loan out to people. That is better than giving it to politicians to funnel it into bulls*** projects like the Big Dig here in massachusetts. More money in the bank = more money to loan = lower interest rates = more people able to buy houses and cars.

 

Basic economics. b****.

[bjmarte]

Plus "rich" people don't just leave their money sitting in banks. They invest it to try and grow their money. Investment in business ventures usually leads to more jobs, which = growing the economy.

 

Not to mention that mm is making the false assumption that no one buys anything bigger or more expensive than a toaster with their money.

 

Limiting the amount of money a person is allowed to make limits investment which stunts job growth and taken to the mm extreme would lead to job losses = shrinking economy.

[MurcieOne]

Why is Legalizing drugs the answer??

 

I dont care how much money the government will make, it's lowering our standards lower than they already are.

 

We all know how drugs are horribly addicting..... all your gonna do is create alot more poverty, and alot more addicts...... prolly alot more welfare.

 

If we legalize drugs whats next? infant prostituton? tightest pussy you'll ever have..... but I mean there is a reason the government hasn't taken the drug money and legalized drugs. because they ruin lives! If you wanna do drugs, you just gonna have to do it the way you are used to, infear and illegally.

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by bjmarte

Plus "rich" people don't just leave their money sitting in banks.  They invest it to try and grow their money.  Investment in business ventures usually leads to more jobs, which = growing the economy.

 

Not to mention that mm is making the false assumption that no one buys anything bigger or more expensive than a toaster with their money.

 

Limiting the amount of money a person is allowed to make limits investment which stunts job growth and taken to the mm extreme would lead to job losses = shrinking economy.

 

OK, toasters were a nice example. Regardless, more equally spread wealth means that people are able to funnel that money into the economy anyways, meaning the top get the money, which get taxed, which goes to poor folk which allows them to buy things and funnel it into the economy, which goes to the heads, which gets taxed, which goes to poor folk which allows them to buy things and funnel it into the economy, which goes to the heads, which gets taxed, which goes to poor folk which allows them to buy things and funnel it into the economy, which goes to the heads, which gets taxed, which goes to poor folk which allows them to buy things and funnel it into the economy, which goes to the heads, which gets taxed, which goes to poor folk which allows them to buy things and funnel it into the economy, which goes to the heads, which gets taxed, which goes to poor folk which allows them to buy things and funnel it into the economy, which goes to the heads, which gets taxed...

 

EITHER WAYS... This system still allows the rich to become richer, as everytime money gets funneled into the economy, its just not as drastic growth and it allows the middle and lower classes to keep up. Allowing the rich's wealth to grow by 70% in a decade and at the same time allowing the poorest's wealth to decrease by 5% in the same time period is economically unhealthy.

 

Eventually, the base (consumers) can't afford to consume any more and your economy falls into shambles.

[MurcieOne]

But back to the allowing minorities into CPS HS....... Take a look at North Side Prep..... If your White you have to score in the 96 Pecentile to get in...... If your a minority it's the 55th percentile...... Does this sound right to all you liberal f***s?