rventura23 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 just saw the video, pretty ugly, worse than expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 The video is not good, it was a lot more than a "flip," as soon as the ump ejected him, Young purposefully turned around and threw the bat at a pretty good speed from about 10-15 feet away. Luckily the bat appeared to just bounce off the ump's chest protector. He should be out for the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 FOund this on YouTube for those who havent seen ti yet... Delmon Young w/ Play-by-Play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 09:12 AM) FOund this on YouTube for those who havent seen ti yet... Delmon Young w/ Play-by-Play That pitch was clearly a ball, dumb f***ing ump deserved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 03:24 PM) That pitch was clearly a ball, dumb f***ing ump deserved it. The funny thing is that I heard from a top minor league baseball source that many minor leaguers are thrilled that this happened. Without the regular minor league umps, there's been all sorts of problems so far this season. They're hoping this will lead to the regular umps returning sooner, rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 After seeing that I think it will be a pretty long time. Regardless of who is calling what this was not a toss or a flip. He threw the bat, again the year sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Anyone find it hilarious how relaxed the catcher appears during the incident? He turns around to observe the bat-flip, then calmly places his mask back on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 If the ump got hurt it would be different..... but man i couldnt stop laughing after seeing the clip and I saw it like 4 times lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 06:24 PM) Anyone find it hilarious how relaxed the catcher appears during the incident? He turns around to observe the bat-flip, then calmly places his mask back on. Ah yes....it's quite comical. You can always count on Corky Miller to do something odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Screw suspension, throw the f***in' guy in jail. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't that be considered assault with a deadly weapon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 assault with a deadly weapon? Come on, thats just idiotic. Anyways, it appears the up strike is ending. Weird timing huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 08:30 PM) assault with a deadly weapon? Come on, thats just idiotic. Anyways, it appears the up strike is ending. Weird timing huh? Ricky Manning Jr. might be charged with assault with a deadly weapon because he had shoes on when he kicked a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 03:30 PM) assault with a deadly weapon? Come on, thats just idiotic. Anyways, it appears the up strike is ending. Weird timing huh? Not really idiotic in the definition of the crime, maybe in the context of what happened. We all know that Young didnt intend to maim or kill the ump(we think ) but a bat can certainly be considered a deadly weapon, and throwing a bat at a guy who isnt paying attention can be considered assault. If the ump really presses assault charges I will really be surprised though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Rest of year he should be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 (edited) A half-season suspension sounds about right to me. Didn't this guy also get suspended a few games for bumping an ump back in Double A? Dude needs an anger management course. Edited April 29, 2006 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 10:29 AM) The funny thing is that I heard from a top minor league baseball source that many minor leaguers are thrilled that this happened. Without the regular minor league umps, there's been all sorts of problems so far this season. They're hoping this will lead to the regular umps returning sooner, rather than later. I thought maybe an agreement went down today? http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/news/261166.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/base...tard/index.html For a while on Wednesday evening, the story spread like the old children's game of telephone. I was initially told that Delmon Young threw a bat and hit the home plate umpire in the mid-section. Another version had Young throwing his bat down, only to have it bounce back up and hit the ump in the leg. While the initial Associated Press story cleared things up a bit, it still wasn't exactly clear just what happened. Something bad had occurred, but I was still unsure of exactly how bad it was. The video hit ESPN by yesterday afternoon and, quite frankly, it shocked me. For some reason, a number of stories on Wednesday night's incident categorized Young's action of physically sending the bat hurtling towards the home plate umpire as a "flip." While Young is just barely off screen when the bat hurtles towards the umpire -- and by all accounts Young delivered it underhanded -- it's clearly not a flip. There was, to make an awful comparison, bat speed. To be kind, it was a fling; to be more realistic, it was a throw. But to me, it clearly had malice and intent. And just like that, Delmon Young has made the first three minutes of the ESPNews cycle for the first time in his baseball career. Funny, I thought it would be because he hit a baseball with his bat, as opposed to an umpire. What was becoming a troubling track record for the talented Young has become that much more troubling. We had clues that this sort of thing was possible, but we -- the small but intense group that focuses on prospects and the minor leagues -- ignored them. Makeup is a funny thing. I've yet to have anyone give me a consistent definition of it, yet at the same time it is unquestionably important. When Young was coming out of high school, some saw him as aloof and arrogant -- this was twisted into mature and unflappable. Then last year, we witnessed a disturbing predecessor to Wednesday's incident. Early in 2005, while playing for Double-A Montgomery, Young was suspended for bumping an umpire while arguing a called third strike (sound familiar?). And like what happened at Pawtucket, it didn't end there as Young and umpire Jeff Latter continued their confrontation after the game. That incident came less than a week after Young threw his bat (sound familiar?) in the air towards the pitcher after getting hit by a pitch. Yet in the end, his makeup was praised as the incidents were all but washed over as isolated occurrences. We had a track record here, but we covered it up -- maybe because we were so excited about his ability. Delmon Young has a problem, and it's time to stop making excuses for him. Yet, the attempts to provide some sort of absolution continues, as the initial wire story contained two quotes that astounded me: "We've had some problems with different umpires and it's tough. But I can't say any more." --Durham manager John Tamargo "In most of my dealings with Delmon in the past, he has handled himself in a respectful, professional manner ... I can only hope this does not tarnish the career of such a fine, young prospect. Furthermore, I would speculate the whole incident could have been avoided had properly trained, professional umpires been officiating the game." --Striking International League umpire Chris Hubler There's almost a sliver of rationality in Tamargo's statement, as one could weakly argue that he has to protect his player. I support the minor league umpires who are on strike and their cause, but for Hubler to even release a statement on the incident comes off as both opportunistic and grandstanding. Not to mention the fact that the content of the statement is utterly laughable. Did the replacement ump miss the call? The pitch sure looked outside to me. Did he handle the situation in a professional manner? The only people who may ever know that are Young, the umpire and PawSox catcher Corky Miller. But no matter how bad the call was, or how the umpire dealt with Young's dissatisfaction with it, to place even the smallest percentage of blame whatsoever on anybody but Young for what happened is distracting and totally irrelevant. Young made a statement yesterday through his agent, Arn Tellem, which is exactly how you make a statement that nobody will take seriously. And while Young said all the right things, the International League and the Devil Rays need to act, and act quickly. Both organizations can expect the MLBPA to file an appeal on Young's behalf, as Young is protected by the organization by virtue of being on a 40-man roster. My suggestion? 90 days. That would allow Young to rejoin his team for the final month of the season. During that 90-day period, he should also be mandated to attend anger management counseling. What Young did on Wednesday night threatens the integrity of the game just as much as -- if not more than -- a player taking steroids, which currently carries a 50-game penalty in the minors for a first offense. What if the bat went just a little higher and hit the umpire in the face? What if the umpire had to leave the game holding a bloody towel? Where would we be then? With people still making excuses? No matter what penalty comes down, Young will be paying a price for his actions for some time. Rookies already have to deal with an expanded strike zone when they first reach the big leagues. I'm not saying it's right, but it is reality. How big will Young's be when he gets there? Replacement umpire or not, the fact that Young threw a bat at an umpire is on his resume forever, and every man in blue with be thinking about it every time he steps to the plate for a very long time. On my first day at Baseball Prospectus, I conducted a chat that included the following exchange: Cowboy: Delmon Young career path: Ken Griffey Jr. or Andruw Jones? Kevin Goldstein: Neither. Gimme Albert Belle minus the psychosis. Let's hope Delmon Young turns things in the right direction, or we can just chop off the last three words of my answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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