WCSox Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 10:10 AM) If Hawk really was making jokes about Wimpy's abuse, then that's f***ing pathetic. Personally, I think DJ is a great guy, and he's improved dramatically from when he first started. While we know that the priest abuse story is true, is there any reliable evidence that Hawk actually joked about it? That seems kind of far-fetched, as it's something that no reasonable person would do. No doubt that Hawk has a massive ego but, wow, that's a completley different level of being a jerk. I always liked Paciorek in the booth, up until the time that I met him at Soxfest years ago. When my sister (~14 years old at the time) asked for his autograph, she asked that he sign it "Wimpy." Apparently he doesn't like that name, because he gave her this really evil look before signing it "Tom Paciorek." I thought that was really low-class and lost a lot of respect for him that day. I think that DJ's a really mediocre color guy, but if he doesn't give nasty looks to 14-year-old girls, he's a better option than Wimpy IMO. Edited April 28, 2006 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I very much prefer DJ, as a person and an announcer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Dixie Normus Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(bardsroom attendant @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 12:40 PM) I used to not believe all that stuff about Hawk putting Wimpy out, but as the years stroll by it seems more and more plausible. It's little things, like the other night on the broadcast - early in the game Hawk brings up Don Drysdale in a story and refers to him glowingly as "My former partner Don Drysdale". Then later on, the Aflac trivia question answer happens to be Tom Paciorek. And DJ says, "Tom Paciorek...the Wimpster....good ballplayer." To which Hawk replies with zero emotion, "yes, he was". Then he went right away to solicit more emails. And as far as Wimpy's work now - yes, he is with the Nats and is partnered with Bob Carpenter. It is an excellent listen if you have MLB Extra Innings, it's worth your time if they've got a good matchup going on. Drysdale is probably the only guy who could match egos with Hawk. DD got it done on the field which is what he always could hang over Hawks head. I never got Drysdale as the Sox guy though. He was a Dodger, not even the same league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 08:18 AM) Anyway, I had heard this a while ago, back in the beginning of '05. The other big clue was, if you remember, when there was a Sox home game on FOX national last year and, as it turned out, it was DJ with the FOX guy. I had never heard DJ seem so loose and talk so much--it was that noticeable. I have no further information to add regarding their alleged fued, but I've noticed DJ's broadcasting skills when disconnected from Hawk as well. Two years ago was perhaps the moment I realized how much Hawk restricts DJ. I believe it was a FOX afternoon game against the Indians. I was surprised how well he did. It made me appreciate the patience it takes to work alongside Hawk. Even with their troubles, I enjoy their interaction. Everytime someone complains about either it only heightens my appreciation for them. I don't tune into baseball games in hopes of gaining insightful commentary. I tune in for entertainment. This essentially is baseball, right? Hawk/DJ provide a comfortable atmosphere for me. Yes, the homerism can be unbearable on occasions, but Hawk's enthusiasm for the ballclub is what makes him unique. Half the damn broadcasters in baseball all sound alike, act like anyway. It's good to have an original voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 01:36 PM) I remember a road game last year (Toronto, maybe?) where there was lots of dead air (not a lot of action) and DJ started up with some of his priceless non-sequitirs, at one point, quoting the song "Billy, Don't Be a Hero." LMAO. That was great. I remember that. He was trying to get Donn Paul to sing with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 (edited) DJ still sucks pretty hard. Also, if my dad and my grandfather had accounts here and could comment on this, they'd have been banned by now. Comedic value? Sure, once in a while. Broadcasting Skills? Yeah, right. Maybe people are switching back and forth between AM radio and TV, and therefore, by default, they appreciate DJ moreso after having heard the gift of gab displayed by one Chris Singleton. Edited April 28, 2006 by hammerhead johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 i think it is the comedic factor...listening to DJ used to make me angry, now i laugh at him for a bunch of stuff...he's a nice guy thou i'm rooting for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Hawk has to be the most pompous, self-righteous, egotistical announcer in sports. And another thing, I'm noticing a lot of, "I used to hate DJ, but, now..." comments, yet, there are still people out there calling Farmer and Singleton the worst radio tandum in history. Last I checked, that was Darrin's first job in broadcasting as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, Soxtalk, I know you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 07:25 PM) Hawk has to be the most pompous, self-righteous, egotistical announcer in sports. And another thing, I'm noticing a lot of, "I used to hate DJ, but, now..." comments, yet, there are still people out there calling Farmer and Singleton the worst radio tandum in history. Last I checked, that was Darrin's first job in broadcasting as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, Soxtalk, I know you will. addy, considering we are listening to a season that really likely could be one of the best seasons in our tenure as sox fans...i think we are complaining because we are gonna have terrible radio calls for important plays. I mean, Do you realize how much fun it was to post the rooney calls last year? His voice is attached to those memories...i mean imagine... "Ball hit middle uhmm. uhh uribe...he throws it to konerko...and um uhhh out ...and uhhh the sox oh uh champ world ...oh uhhh ohh no..oohh" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 02:25 PM) Hawk has to be the most pompous, self-righteous, egotistical announcer in sports. And another thing, I'm noticing a lot of, "I used to hate DJ, but, now..." comments, yet, there are still people out there calling Farmer and Singleton the worst radio tandum in history. Last I checked, that was Darrin's first job in broadcasting as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, Soxtalk, I know you will. You are correct. The White Sox convinced DJ to hang it up the spikes and head straight to the booth. He is considerably better than when he first started. For a while he tried to emulate Hawk and they came across as 2 geezers waxing nostalgic about the good old days. DJ still talks too much about Japan and Tony Gwinn but overall I think he adds insightful analysis and has just about conquered his long painful pauses and irrelevent tangents. It also helps that Hawk is showing signs of alzheimers to the point that DJ frequently needs to help him regain his focus. I hate to say it, but for overall baseball announcing capabilities, I would choose DJ over the other three White Sox announcers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 01:15 PM) I have no further information to add regarding their alleged fued, but I've noticed DJ's broadcasting skills when disconnected from Hawk as well. Two years ago was perhaps the moment I realized how much Hawk restricts DJ. I believe it was a FOX afternoon game against the Indians. I was surprised how well he did. It made me appreciate the patience it takes to work alongside Hawk. Even with their troubles, I enjoy their interaction. Everytime someone complains about either it only heightens my appreciation for them. I don't tune into baseball games in hopes of gaining insightful commentary. I tune in for entertainment. This essentially is baseball, right? Hawk/DJ provide a comfortable atmosphere for me. Yes, the homerism can be unbearable on occasions, but Hawk's enthusiasm for the ballclub is what makes him unique. Half the damn broadcasters in baseball all sound alike, act like anyway. It's good to have an original voice. I agree wholeheartedly. After hearing Josh Lewin doing Rangers broadcasts the snoozers over at the Astros, I long for the days of Hawk giving people nicknames and his little colloquilisms (sp?). Luckily, we have Milo Hamilton (yes, I know, formerly of the Cubs, but also of the Bulls) doing radio play-by-play of the Astros with Alan Ashby. that's a pretty good team. If I want to learn about baseball, I'll try to find Steve Stone. If I want fun, I'll listen to Hawk and DJ or Rick Sutcliffe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(bmags @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 02:31 PM) " ...oh uhhh ohh no..oohh" I think you are confusing Singleton and Santo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(bmags @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 01:31 PM) addy, considering we are listening to a season that really likely could be one of the best seasons in our tenure as sox fans...i think we are complaining because we are gonna have terrible radio calls for important plays. I mean, Do you realize how much fun it was to post the rooney calls last year? His voice is attached to those memories...i mean imagine... "Ball hit middle uhmm. uhh uribe...he throws it to konerko...and um uhhh out ...and uhhh the sox oh uh champ world ...oh uhhh ohh no..oohh" Well, this post is a microcosm of my beef with the Singleton criticisms. Thank you. You are going to hold it against Singleton for replacing a legend? Singleton is replacing the best play-by-play announcer in baseball. Period. If you are going to hold a novice to Rooney's standards, you are going to be seriously disappointed. We've gone over this time and time again. If you want to express your displeasure at someone, make it Score management via the White Sox. We have yet to reach the All-Star break and Singleton is already being labeled one of the worst announcers in Sox history. Give the guy a freaking chance. It doesn't help that he has to sit next to Farmer, a guy that is barely cut-out for color duties. The venom being spewed at Singleton just floors me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(bmags @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 02:31 PM) addy, considering we are listening to a season that really likely could be one of the best seasons in our tenure as sox fans...i think we are complaining because we are gonna have terrible radio calls for important plays. I mean, Do you realize how much fun it was to post the rooney calls last year? His voice is attached to those memories...i mean imagine... "Ball hit middle uhmm. uhh uribe...he throws it to konerko...and um uhhh out ...and uhhh the sox oh uh champ world ...oh uhhh ohh no..oohh" You all are making a mountain out a molehill. I could really give less than a damn if Gage was broadcasting a game if we're doing well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 01:25 PM) Hawk has to be the most pompous, self-righteous, egotistical announcer in sports. And another thing, I'm noticing a lot of, "I used to hate DJ, but, now..." comments, yet, there are still people out there calling Farmer and Singleton the worst radio tandum in history. Last I checked, that was Darrin's first job in broadcasting as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, Soxtalk, I know you will. I wouldn't exactly give him that title. Considering he's first to criticize his own baseball abilities, the pompous and self-righteous titles certaintly don't apply. I'll give you egotistical, although I haven't exactly listened to every announcer across sports to compare him too. Still, more often than not both agree on subjects discussed within the booth. His ego doesn't trample many broadcasts. It's topics which they don't agree on--aka., occasions which the viewers endure long, uncomfortable pauses--which everyone remembers. Singleton may improve. Just as Brian Anderson may be future hall-of-famer one day. Although seriously, I didn't listen to DJ's first stinct in radio, so I can't say whether he did as poorly as Singleton. Edited April 28, 2006 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 02:37 PM) Well, this post is a microcosm of my beef with the Singleton criticisms. Thank you. You are going to hold it against Singleton for replacing a legend? Singleton is replacing the best play-by-play announcer in baseball. Period. If you are going to hold a novice to Rooney's standards, you are going to be seriously disappointed. We've gone over this time and time again. If you want to express your displeasure at someone, make it Score management via the White Sox. We have yet to reach the All-Star break and Singleton is already being labeled one of the worst announcers in Sox history. Give the guy a freaking chance. It doesn't help that he has to sit next to Farmer, a guy that is barely cut-out for color duties. The venom being spewed at Singleton just floors me. You make me want to hug you...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 02:37 PM) Singleton is replacing the best play-by-play announcer in baseball. No he is not. Ed Farmer is replacing John Rooney. QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 02:37 PM) It doesn't help that he has to sit next to Farmer, a guy that is barely cut-out for color duties. The venom being spewed at Singleton just floors me. That is the real problem. I would be incredibly patient with Singleton to develop as a color commentator if he truly replaced Farmer and Rooney were mentoring him. Farmer sucks major balls and treats Chris like s***. It is as bad or worse as when Hawk and DJ started out. Farmer is pompous and feels the need to not only teach announcing but also gives lessons in semantics and other bulls***. Farmer sucks ass and those cheap whores at the Score f***ed up my favorite medium for following the Sox. It should be no surprise that their sponsors are all strip clubs, hair loss specialists and ambulance chasers. They are an embarrasment and are showing no signs of trying to step up to the next level in major market broadcasting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(Beltin'Bill @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 01:44 PM) No he is not. Ed Farmer is replacing John Rooney. Relax, champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 07:37 PM) You all are making a mountain out a molehill. I could really give less than a damn if Gage was broadcasting a game if we're doing well... If we are talking about broadcasters i don't understand why my post is making a mountain out of a molehill...if we are just talking about sox baseball, i could see where this would be nitpicking. But we are talking about the broadcasters...so no its not. I mean weren't we all complaining about Berman last year during the redsox games? the soxtalk don't complain police back in full force and addy, i'm not holding it against singleton, i'm holding it against the score for not finding an adequate replacement.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(bmags @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 01:49 PM) and addy, i'm not holding it against singleton, i'm holding it against the score for not finding an adequate replacement.... That's all I ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 02:48 PM) Relax, champ. Do you find it tolerable to listen to Farmer call a game? Singleton may be painful, but Farmer is downright offensive. He had no business being in the booth with Rooney. The fact that he is in charge of the booth now does not bode well for radio broadcasts well into the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(Beltin'Bill @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 01:51 PM) Do you find it tolerable to listen to Farmer call a game? Singleton may be painful, but Farmer is downright offensive. He had no business being in the booth with Rooney. The fact that he is in charge of the booth now does not bode well for radio broadcasts well into the future. I have a very difficult time listening to Farmer on pbp. My remark was in regards to my not being issued an invitation to the Hair Splitter's Convention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I can't believe Josh Lewin got ripped on. He's one of my favorite announcers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 02:53 PM) I have a very difficult time listening to Farmer on pbp. My remark was in regards to my not being issued an invitation to the Hair Splitter's Convention. Sorry. That was not my intent. My point was we all seem to be barking up the wrong tree. I think Singleton deserves a chance just like any of us deserve a chance when we embark on a new career. To be thrown in front of an audience after never having announced before should allow Chris a pretty substantial grace period. I can bear with him as he develops his style and learns the art of broadcasting. He probably will not become a HOF broadcaster, but not many people acheive that notoriety. Farmer, on the other hand, is a finished product and we are getting a lot more of him this year. He is more pompous and arrogant than Hawk and is not good at his trade. I am so bitter at the Score for screwing up the broadcasts. Sorry, now you are correct, I do need to relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(Beltin'Bill @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 01:59 PM) Sorry. That was not my intent. My point was we all seem to be barking up the wrong tree. I think Singleton deserves a chance just like any of us deserve a chance when we embark on a new career. To be thrown in front of an audience after never having announced before should allow Chris a pretty substantial grace period. I can bear with him as he develops his style and learns the art of broadcasting. He probably will not become a HOF broadcaster, but not many people acheive that notoriety. Farmer, on the other hand, is a finished product and we are getting a lot more of him this year. He is more pompous and arrogant than Hawk and is not good at his trade. I am so bitter at the Score for screwing up the broadcasts. Sorry, now you are correct, I do need to relax. Good show. ...and an excellent post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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