hammerhead johnson Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 Minimum: 25 IP 1. Greg Maddux 0.73 WHIP 2. John Patterson 0.86 WHIP 3. Mark Buehrle 0.89 WHIP 4. Jose Contreras 0.90 WHIP 5. Curt Schilling 0.92 WHIP 6. Bronson Arroyo 0.92 WHIP 7. Javier Vazquez 0.93 WHIP 8. Pedro Martinez 0.94 WHIP 9. Chris Capuano 0.94 WHIP 10. Brad Penny 0.97 WHIP 11. Randy Johnson 0.99 WHIP 12. Jarrod Washburn 0.99 WHIP 13. Mike Mussina 1.00 WHIP 14. David Bush 1.00 WHIP 15. Kyle Davies 1.01 WHIP 16. Jeremy Bonderman 1.02 WHIP 17. Cris Carpenter 1.03 WHIP 18. Justin Verlander 1.10 WHIP 19. Roy Oswalt 1.10 WHIP 20. Jason Marquis 1.11 WHIP Last year, through 45 IP, Bronson Arroyo had a 1.07 WHIP. Off all the starters in the MLB, that guy confuses me the most. Last Year's Thread Check out where Zack Greinke ranked through 45 IP as well. His is pretty much the saddest story in baseball right now IMO. Chris Capuano is going to make a believer out of me if he continues to keep the walks down. Not one Oakland A in the Top 20? It's early and all, but that's still pretty messed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 Five teams have 2 or more pitchers in this list. Of those five teams, only one of them has atleast one pitcher in the top 7...and that team has 3 guys in the top 7. How 'bout that Kenny Williams guy anyways? I do love fun with numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 07:59 PM) Not one Oakland A in the Top 20? It's early and all, but that's still pretty messed up. Not really. 2003 was a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted May 16, 2006 Author Share Posted May 16, 2006 Minimum: 40 IP 1. Pedro Martinez 0.86 WHIP 2. Jose Contreras 0.87 WHIP 3. Mike Mussina 1.01 WHIP 4. Roy Halladay 1.01 WHIP 5. Bronson Arroyo 1.01 WHIP 6. Tom Glavine 1.03 WHIP 7. Jeremy Bonderman 1.03 WHIP 8. Javier Vazquez 1.04 WHIP 9. Chris Capuano 1.04 WHIP 10. Jason Schmidt 1.05 WHIP 11. Jarrod Washburn 1.06 WHIP 12. Curt Schilling 1.08 WHIP 13. John Lackey 1.09 WHIP 14. David Bush 1.09 WHIP 15. Josh Beckett 1.10 WHIP 16. Greg Maddux 1.11 WHIP 17. John Smoltz 1.11 WHIP 18. Brett Tomko 1.12 WHIP 19. Tony Armas 1.12 WHIP 20. Jake Peavy 1.13 WHIP 20. Kenny Rogers 1.13 WHIP 20. Derek Lowe 1.13 WHIP Nice bounceback year for Mike Mussina. The HOF three-man from the 90s Braves are all here. Nobody has surprised me more than Tom Glavine, given his numbers over the past few seasons. Brad Penny, LA's best starter, fell from 0.97 to 1.23, and now two of his teammates are in the Top 20: Brett Tomko and Derek Lowe. I don't know how they're doing it. And again, nobody confuses me more than Bronson Arroyo. That guy gets s***ted on constantly, and meanwhile, there he is with the 3rd best WHIP ratio while pitching at arguably the most favorable park for hitters in the MLB. Mark Buehrle fell from 0.89 to 1.33. He went from #3 in the league to barely being able to crack the Top 50. Chris Capuano walked 91 batters in 219 IP last year (4BB/9IP), and so far in 2006, he has walked 13 batters in 54 IP (2BB/9IP). If he can continue to keep the walks down, then he should be good to go for the long term. He had a 1.50 WHIP on the season against right-handed hitters in 2005. Thus far, he's sporting a 1.12 WHIP against RH, which is a dramatic improvement. Again, it all has to do with walks, which are the biggest killer in baseball IMO and the reason he sucked so hard in 4 our of 6 months last season. If Tony Armas can stay healthy, you're looking at a stud. 4 straight road victories in Philadelphia, St. Louis, Cincinatti, and Atlanta? That is beautiful. And Jarrod Washburn will continue to go unclaimed in fantasy leagues. Nobody trusts that dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 16, 2006 -> 01:29 PM) Minimum: 40 IP 1. Pedro Martinez 0.86 WHIP 2. Jose Contreras 0.87 WHIP 3. Mike Mussina 1.01 WHIP 4. Roy Halladay 1.01 WHIP 5. Bronson Arroyo 1.01 WHIP 6. Tom Glavine 1.03 WHIP 7. Jeremy Bonderman 1.03 WHIP 8. Javier Vazquez 1.04 WHIP 9. Chris Capuano 1.04 WHIP 10. Jason Schmidt 1.05 WHIP 11. Jarrod Washburn 1.06 WHIP 12. Curt Schilling 1.08 WHIP 13. John Lackey 1.09 WHIP 14. David Bush 1.09 WHIP 15. Josh Beckett 1.10 WHIP 16. Greg Maddux 1.11 WHIP 17. John Smoltz 1.11 WHIP 18. Brett Tomko 1.12 WHIP 19. Tony Armas 1.12 WHIP 20. Jake Peavy 1.13 WHIP 20. Kenny Rogers 1.13 WHIP 20. Derek Lowe 1.13 WHIP Nice bounceback year for Mike Mussina. The HOF three-man from the 90s Braves are all here. Nobody has surprised me more than Tom Glavine, given his numbers over the past few seasons. Brad Penny, LA's best starter, fell from 0.97 to 1.23, and now two of his teammates are in the Top 20: Brett Tomko and Derek Lowe. I don't know how they're doing it. And again, nobody confuses me more than Bronson Arroyo. That guy gets s***ted on constantly, and meanwhile, there he is with the 3rd best WHIP ratio while pitching at arguably the most favorable park for hitters in the MLB. Mark Buehrle fell from 0.89 to 1.33. He went from #3 in the league to barely being able to crack the Top 50. Chris Capuano walked 91 batters in 219 IP last year (4BB/9IP), and so far in 2006, he has walked 13 batters in 54 IP (2BB/9IP). If he can continue to keep the walks down, then he should be good to go for the long term. He had a 1.50 WHIP on the season against right-handed hitters in 2005. Thus far, he's sporting a 1.12 WHIP against RH, which is a dramatic improvement. Again, it all has to do with walks, which are the biggest killer in baseball IMO and the reason he sucked so hard in 4 our of 6 months last season. If Tony Armas can stay healthy, you're looking at a stud. 4 straight road victories in Philadelphia, St. Louis, Cincinatti, and Atlanta? That is beautiful. And Jarrod Washburn will continue to go unclaimed in fantasy leagues. Nobody trusts that dude. 3 things: 1. Bronson Arroyo is not going away. His ERA might go up a little, but his win total will continue to head towards 20 due to the run support. 2. Washburn is going to be solid as well, however I drafted too well in my fantasy leagues to need him. I rather have Cole Hamels and now Liriano than him, however if I sucked at drafting I'd have picked up Washburn long ago. 3. Dodgers Stadium tends to help out pitchers . Edited May 16, 2006 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 (edited) I know you're a WHIP guy, but just to play devil's advocate, here are the ERA leaders... 1) Jose Contreras- 1.41 2) John Thompson- 1.87 3) Chris Carpenter- 1.98 4) Bronson Arroyo- 2.03 5) Mike Maroth- 2.18 6) Tom Glavine- 2.19 7) Mike Mussina- 2.56 8) Brad Penny- 2.66 9) Brett Myers- 2.73 10) Roy Halladay- 2.74 11) Brandon Webb- 2.78 12) Chris Capuano- 2.83 13) Brett Tomko- 2.88 14) Scott Kazmir- 2.94 15) Derek Lowe- 2.98 16) Wandy Rodriguez- 3.02 17) Tony Armas- 3.02 18) Greg Maddux- 3.10 19) Pedro Martinez- 3.19 20) Jason Schmidt- 3.20 A few comments... 8 players made the cut on ERA but not WHIP, while 10 made the cut on WHIP but not ERA. The biggest anomalies for low ERA/high WHIP were Wandy Rodriguez (1.20), Brand Penny (1.23), Brett Myers (1.23), John Thompson (1.29), Mike Maroth (1.40), and Scott Kazmir (1.43). Kazmir, Penny, and Myers are probably able to allow fewer runs because of good stuff. All of them strike out more than 6 batters per 9 innings. Penny and Myers have high but not ridiculously high WHIP's, while Kazmir's is pretty bad. He strikes out almost one batter per inning to compensate however. They might be able to keep it up. Maroth appears to be gettting extremely lucky right now. He has a very low ERA despite a high WHIP and low strikeout rates (3.70 K/9). I'd expect his ERA to climb eventually. Thompson and Rodriguez are somewhat in-between. Thompson has a pretty high WHIP, but he's got a fair strikeout rate (6.44 k/9). Rodriguez's strikeout rate is a little lower, but so is his WHIP. Just going on first instinct, I'd say both are flukes, but who knows what will happen if they can keep those rates constant. As for the low WHIP/high ERA people, Jake Peavy (3.61), Jeremy Bonderman (3.74), Curt Schilling (3.76), Javier Vazquez (3.88), Jarrod Washburn (3.91), Dave Bush (4.17), and Josh Beckett (4.24) are a bit unusual (there are others higher than Peavy, but his ERA is relatively higher given he plays in the NL in a pitcher's park). I find these especially interesting becuase only Washburn has a strikeout rate under 6 k/9. The logical conclusion is that these guys get hit hard when they do give up hits, and that generally seems to be the case. Washburn has allowed 5 homers and 11 doubles, Schilling has allowed 7 and 9, Bush has allowed 7 and 12, Beckett has allowed 8 and 8, and Peavy has allowed 5 and 10. Vazquez and Bonderman haven't been hit as hard, allowing 2 and 9 and 3 and 11 respectively. The last two seem to just have been a bit unlucky. I'd expect Bush to slip out of this group because he gets hit pretty hard when he does give up hits, suggesting that people just need some time to figure him out. The rest should either improve or stay relatively the same, although Washburn probably has the least leeway given his low strikeout rate. Pedro Martinez has a ridiculously low WHIP, but his ERA is a lot higher than one would expect. He's allowed 8 homers already, most on this list. Edited May 16, 2006 by ZoomSlowik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted May 16, 2006 Author Share Posted May 16, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 16, 2006 -> 07:34 PM) 3. Dodgers Stadium tends to help out pitchers . Derek Lowe splits: Home: (4.10 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, .252 BAA) Road: (1.80 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, .180 BAA) But yeah, Tomko has been a monster at home (1.44 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, .191 BAA) But pitching in a friendly environment doesn't explain everything. If it did, Odalis Perez and Jae Seo would be putting up nice stats as well, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 16, 2006 -> 03:08 PM) Derek Lowe splits: Home: (4.10 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, .252 BAA) Road: (1.80 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, .180 BAA) But yeah, Tomko has been a monster at home (1.44 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, .191 BAA) But pitching in a friendly environment doesn't explain everything. If it did, Odalis Perez and Jae Seo would be putting up nice stats as well, correct? Hmm interesting on Lowe. As for the 2nd comment, a great pitching park doesn't help everybody, but it sure does help a lot of people, that's all I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted May 16, 2006 Author Share Posted May 16, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ May 16, 2006 -> 07:37 PM) I know you're a WHIP guy, but just to play devil's advocate, here are the ERA leaders... 1) Jose Contreras- 1.41 2) John Thompson- 1.87 3) Chris Carpenter- 1.98 4) Bronson Arroyo- 2.03 5) Mike Maroth- 2.18 6) Tom Glavine- 2.19 7) Mike Mussina- 2.56 8) Brad Penny- 2.66 9) Brett Myers- 2.73 10) Roy Halladay- 2.74 11) Brandon Webb- 2.78 12) Chris Capuano- 2.83 13) Brett Tomko- 2.88 14) Scott Kazmir- 2.94 15) Derek Lowe- 2.98 16) Wandy Rodriguez- 3.02 17) Tony Armas- 3.02 18) Greg Maddux- 3.10 19) Pedro Martinez- 3.19 20) Jason Schmidt- 3.20 Zoom, you are an inspiration to us all. Top 20 In BAA 1. Pedro Martinez .164 2. Jose Contreras .179 3. Tom Glavine .196 4. Jason Schmidt .199 5. Sean Marshall .209 6. Barry Zito .210 7. Chris Young .211 8. Jeff Francis .212 9. Bronson Arroyo .214 10. Chris Capuano .214 11. Josh Beckett .214 12. Jeremy Bonderman .215 13. John Lackey .215 14. Chad Hensley .218 15. Derek Lowe .219 16. Mike Mussina .222 17. Scott Elarton .222 18. Tony Armas .225 19. Cris Carpenter .226 20. Jake Peavy .230 Tom Glavine There are some interesting names on this list. Marshall, Hensley, Elarton, etc. We all know that Jeff Francis has immense talent. He just pitches in the wrong stadium. Likewise for Chris Young when he was on the Texas Rangers (albeit with nowhere near the talent level of Francis). Jose Contreras has the AL Triple Crown, which is just insane. Pedro is #1 in two of the three, but as you pointed out, his ERA is barely good enough for the Top 20, mostly due to the fact that he has allowed 8 HR already. Here are a few that surprise me: Brandon Webb: .280 BAA Roy Oswalt: .276 BAA Mark Buehrle: .282 BAA Edited May 16, 2006 by hammerhead johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 (edited) Buehrle's BAA is no surprise, that numbers is usually high for him, ESPECIALLY among 15 game winners (which is almost always is of course). He simply has the kind of stuff that allows hits, but he normally does well to keep guys in the park and walks nobody along with a modest amount of K's, so the ERA stays low. His issue this year is falling behind hitters, so as a result he has less K's and more hits allowed. As for Oswalt and Webb, their BAA's are probably high since they are really "bad ass" personality types who challenge hitters with the fastball, sometimes too much, and catch some of the plate. However their stuff is so damn good that they get a ton of k's and keep the ERA down anyways, plus get run support due to the hitters parks they play in (also a factor in the BAA for Webb, Oswalt, and Buehrle...look at their home parks). Edited May 16, 2006 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted May 16, 2006 Author Share Posted May 16, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 16, 2006 -> 08:47 PM) (also a factor in the BAA for Webb, Oswalt, and Buehrle...look at their home parks). Right, but again, Jose Contreras, Jeff Francis, Bronson Arroyo, and a few others on the Top 20 BAA list pitch in conditions that are just as bad. Looking at the home parks of Buehrle, Webb, and Oswalt doesn't really explain as much as people would lead you to believe. And by the way... Buehrle Splits: Home: .208 BAA Road: .345 BAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 Minimum: 50 IP 1. Pedro Martinez 0.81 2. Jose Contreras 0.86 3. Mike Mussina 0.96 4. CC Sabathia 0.97 5. Jason Schmidt 1.02 6. Roy Halladay 1.03 7. Brandon Webb 1.05 8. Curt Schilling 1.08 9. Javier Vazquez 1.10 10. Justin Verlander 1.10 11. Josh Johnson 1.10 12. Tom Glavine 1.10 13. Bronson Arroyo 1.11 14. Derek Lowe 1.11 15. Jarrod Washburn 1.12 16. John Lackey 1.13 17. Johan Santana 1.13 18. Danny Haren 1.13 19. Jake Peavy 1.14 20. Chris Capuano 1.15 Chris Capuano's streak of 11 consecutive quality starts came to an end this past week in Pittsburgh & he went from Top 10 in WHIP to barely making the Top 20. If his 2006 BB rate is any indication, he'll be good to go for the long run. Who had a better May: Jason Schmidt or CC Sabathia? Both guys were lights out. Jason put up a line of 1.17 ERA/0.78 WHIP/.180 BAA, while CC put up a line of 1.20 ERA/0.93 WHIP/.205 BAA. Brandon Webb has 10 walks in 89 IP, and his BAA is now down to .255. Talk about a remarkable turnaround. Josh Johnson is sporting a .190 BAA, good enough for Top 3 in the majors. Is this kid for real, or what? Here are the BAA rankings: 1. Pedro Martinez .167 2. Jose Contreras .187 3. Josh Johnson .190 4. Carlos Zambrano .202 5. Jason Schmidt .202 6. CC Sabathia .210 7. Mike Mussina .212 8. Barry Zito .213 9. John Lackey .215 10. Chris Young .215 11. Jeff Francis .220 12. Tom Glavine .220 13. Derek Lowe .222 14. Sean Marshall .223 15. Matt Cain .226 16. Javier Vazquez .230 17. Josh Beckett .232 18. Tim Wakefield .232 19. Bronson Arroyo .233 20. Cris Carpenter .237 Matt Cain is showing some signs. The rest of his numbers are pretty terrible, but he has a Top 15 BAA in the majors. Chris Young has a respectable ERA (3.80), but his BAA (.215) and WHIP (1.16) are terrific. I almost want to say that he's the most underrated starter in the majors. Seriously, nobody outside of your typical hardcore baseball nerd knows who he is. Carlso Zambrano's stuff is damn near unhittable, although he has walked nearly 50 batters in 76 IP. His walk rates in 2004 and 2005 were much, much better. He's gonna have a Schmidt/Sabathia type month at some point during this season, and his ERA and WHIP will both be Top 20. He could have the best BAA in the majors outside of Pedro and Count by the time the season comes to a close. And Mike Mussina continues to own people. That's your legitimate comeback player of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 1, 2006 -> 03:11 PM) And Mike Mussina continues to own people. That's your legitimate comeback player of the year. For my money, the leader at the gate has to be James Thome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2006 -> 01:16 PM) For my money, the leader at the gate has to be James Thome. Sure, but he's not a Yankee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2006 -> 08:16 PM) For my money, the leader at the gate has to be James Thome. Oh yeah yeah, good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthsideNorthsideFan Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2006 -> 03:16 PM) For my money, the leader at the gate has to be James Thome. QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 1, 2006 -> 03:39 PM) Oh yeah yeah, good point. QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2006 -> 03:16 PM) For my money, the leader at the gate has to be James Thome. QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 1, 2006 -> 03:20 PM) Sure, but he's not a Yankee! Even better point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 20, 2006 Author Share Posted June 20, 2006 (edited) Minimum: 65 IP 1. Pedro Martinez 0.93 2. Johan Santana 1.00 3. Roy Halladay 1.03 4. Mike Mussina 1.04 5. Jose Contreras 1.05 6. Curt Schilling 1.06 7. Dan Haren 1.09 8. Jason Schmidt 1.09 9. Chris Young 1.10 10. Kenny Rogers 1.10 11. Brandon Webb 1.11 12. Bronson Arroyo 1.12 13. Ervin Santana 1.14 14. John Lackey 1.15 15. CC Sabathia 1.15 16. David Bush 1.16 17. Brad Penny 1.16 18. Jeremy Bonderman 1.16 19. Josh Smoltz 1.18 20. Chris Capuano 1.18 Francisco Liriano has a 1.10 WHIP in just under 60 IP. I see him and Johan going heads up for the AL WHIP title. God damn, the AL Central is f***ing insane. Eric Milton has a 1.16 WHIP in just under 60 IP, which boggles my mind. We're talking about a guy who put up a 6.47 ERA/1.55 WHIP/.302 BAA line with 40 HR allowed in 2005. Chris Capuano has 14 quality starts in 15 games! He has walked 23 batters through June 20, as opposed to 40+ at this time last year. His raod WHIP ratio in 2005 was 1.43. This year, it's at 1.26. Huge improvement. Danny Haren just continues to get better and better as the season progresses. He is 2-0 with a 1.23 ERA and a 0.89 WHIP ratio against the Yankees this year, and both of those contests took place in the Bronx. He also baffled the Texas lineup recently. This dude appears to be a legitimate big game pitcher. How is that Angels pitching looking? Weaver, Santana, Lackey, Colon, Escobar? Not bad. The BAA rankings: 1. Carlos Zambrano .187 2. Pedro Martinez .194 3. Chris Young .203 4. Jason Schmidt .214 5. Jose Contreras .214 6. Josh Johnson .215 7. Jeff Francis .215 8. John Lackey .216 9. Barry Zito .222 10. Matt Cain .224 11. Johan Santana .227 12. Mike Mussina .227 13. Derek Lowe .228 14. Mark Hendrickson .229 15. CC Sabathia .231 16. Brad Penny .231 17. Jeremy Bonderman .234 18. Tim Wakefield .235 19. Kenny Rogers .236 20. Ervin Santana .238 Like I said last time, Chris Young has to be the most underrated starter in the league. A .203 BAA and a 1.10 WHIP? He has a 0.91 WHIP on the road, and a 1.28 WHIP ratio at home, so you can't just merely chalk up his success to Petco. Mark f***ing Hendrickson? Matt Cain continues to show signs. His other numbers blow, but he has a Top 10 BAA through June 20. Cubs fans don't deserve to have Zambrano. Maybe he'll come to the Sox, Venezuelan mang that he is. Edited June 20, 2006 by hammerhead johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 06:23 PM) Minimum: 65 IP 1. Pedro Martinez 0.93 2. Johan Santana 1.00 3. Roy Halladay 1.03 4. Mike Mussina 1.04 5. Jose Contreras 1.05 6. Curt Schilling 1.06 7. Dan Haren 1.09 8. Jason Schmidt 1.09 9. Chris Young 1.10 10. Kenny Rogers 1.10 11. Brandon Webb 1.11 12. Bronson Arroyo 1.12 13. Ervin Santana 1.14 14. John Lackey 1.15 15. CC Sabathia 1.15 16. David Bush 1.16 17. Brad Penny 1.16 18. Jeremy Bonderman 1.16 19. Josh Smoltz 1.18 20. Chris Capuano 1.18 Francisco Liriano has a 1.10 WHIP in just under 60 IP. I see him and Johan going heads up for the AL WHIP title. God damn, the AL Central is f***ing insane. Eric Milton has a 1.16 WHIP in just under 60 IP, which boggles my mind. We're talking about a guy who put up a 6.47 ERA/1.55 WHIP/.302 BAA line with 40 HR allowed in 2005. Chris Capuano has 14 quality starts in 15 games! He has walked 23 batters through June 20, as opposed to 40+ at this time last year. His raod WHIP ratio in 2005 was 1.43. This year, it's at 1.26. Huge improvement. Danny Haren just continues to get better and better as the season progresses. He is 2-0 with a 1.23 ERA and a 0.89 WHIP ratio against the Yankees this year, and both of those contests took place in the Bronx. He also baffled the Texas lineup recently. This dude appears to be a legitimate big game pitcher. How is that Angels pitching looking? Weaver, Santana, Lackey, Colon, Escobar? Not bad. The BAA rankings: 1. Carlos Zambrano .187 2. Pedro Martinez .194 3. Chris Young .203 4. Jason Schmidt .214 5. Jose Contreras .214 6. Josh Johnson .215 7. Jeff Francis .215 8. John Lackey .216 9. Barry Zito .222 10. Matt Cain .224 11. Johan Santana .227 12. Mike Mussina .227 13. Derek Lowe .228 14. Mark Hendrickson .229 15. CC Sabathia .231 16. Brad Penny .231 17. Jeremy Bonderman .234 18. Tim Wakefield .235 19. Kenny Rogers .236 20. Ervin Santana .238 Like I said last time, Chris Young has to be the most underrated starter in the league. A .203 BAA and a 1.10 WHIP? He has a 0.91 WHIP on the road, and a 1.28 WHIP ratio at home, so you can't just merely chalk up his success to Petco. Mark f***ing Hendrickson? Matt Cain continues to show signs. His other numbers blow, but he has a Top 10 BAA through June 20. Cubs fans don't deserve to have Zambrano. Maybe he'll come to the Sox, Venezuelan mang that he is. Impressive stuff..nicely put together there Hammerhead and once Liriano is qualified there will be 12 AL pitchers in the top 20 which is amazing considering they are facing a DH and a legitimate lineup day in and day out. This just shows the AL dominance so far this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Johan: 109 K's, 16 walks, 1.00 WHIP, 2.87 ERA, 7-4 record Pedro: 102 K's, 21 walks, 0.93 WHIP, 3.01 ERA, 6-3 record Carpenter: 75 K's, 25 walks, 1.24 WHIP, 2.46 ERA, 6-3 record Oscar Villarreal: 16 K's, 14 walks, 1.60 WHIP, 4.99 ERA, 7-1 record Ryan Madson: 43 K's, 29 walks, 1.71 WHIP, 5.70 ERA, 7-4 record Wandy Rodriguez: 57 K's, 41 walks, 1.53 WHIP, 4.59 ERA, 8-4 record So what have we learned today kids? W-L record among pitchers=overrated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 06:23 PM) Cubs fans don't deserve to have Zambrano. Maybe he'll come to the Sox, Venezuelan mang that he is. Oh sure, after the Cubs ruin his arm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted July 20, 2006 Author Share Posted July 20, 2006 Minimum: 90 IP WHIP 1. Francisco Liriano 0.95 2. Johan Santana 0.99 3. Pedro Martinez 1.00 4. Curt Schilling 1.06 5. Roy Halladay 1.06 6. Mike Mussina 1.06 7. John Lackey 1.08 8. Chris Carpenter 1.10 9. Brandon Webb 1.10 10. Justin Verlander 1.11 11. Chris Young 1.11 12. John Smoltz 1.14 13. Ervin Santana 1.14 14. Jason Schmidt 1.16 15. Jeremy Bonderman 1.16 16. Dan Haren 1.16 17. Taylor Bucholz 1.17 18. CC Sabathia 1.18 19. Jose Contreras 1.19 20. Bronson Arroyo 1.19 Check out that dynamic duo at the top of the list. Francisco Liriano has the MLB triple crown (ERA/WHIP/BAA) Also, did you know that Brad Radke has a 1.15 WHIP in 11 home starts on the season? His road WHIP is approaching 2.00, though. The Twins won't make the playoffs, but they are arguably the toughest home team in the majors. John Smoltz is back, and he's a major candidate for "Pitcher Of The Month" in the NL. I fear that by mid-August, this list will not have any White Sox players on it. Buehrle is approaching 1.40. BAA Rankings 1. Francisco Liriano .196 2. Carlos Zambrano .197 3. Pedro Martinez .202 4. John Lackey .205 5. Chris Young .215 6. Matt Cain .220 7. Johan Santana .220 8. Jason Schmidt .225 9. Mike Mussina .229 10. Chris Carpenter .231 11. Ervin Santana .231 12. Justin Verlander .232 13. Jeff Francis .233 14. Tim Wakefield .233 15. Barry Zito .234 16. Scott Olsen .235 17. Jeremy Bonderman .236 18. Taylor Buchholz .238 19. Jose Contreras .239 20. Josh Beckett .239 When Matt Cain can manage to get the walks down, he's going to be a devastating pitcher in this league. He walks 4.5 batters per 9 IP, but his WHIP is somehow at a slightly above average level (1.35). Lackey has been absolutely incredible. That 1-2-3 of Lackey, Santana, and Weaver will be giving people nightmares for many seasons to come. Jered Weaver's numbers through 40 IP: 1.12 ERA/0.74 WHIP/.162 BAA. Remember when the Angels were written off as a complete suckfest? That has to be your AL West division winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 I'm making the minimum 80 IP just so I could get Jered Weaver in there. Never mind the fact that Scott Proctor has a 1.20 WHIP in over 80 innings out of the bullpen, which would technically make him a candidate for the Top 20. Scott effing Proctor. What is up with that guy. Anyway, here it is: WHIP 1. Jered Weaver 0.93 2. Francisco Liriano 1.01 3. Pedro Martinez 1.02 4. Johan Santana 1.03 5. Chris Carpenter 1.08 6. Roy Halladay 1.10 7. Mike Mussina 1.10 8. John Smoltz 1.15 9. Curt Schilling 1.16 10. Dan Haren 1.16 11. Jason Schmidt 1.17 12. Jeff Francis 1.18 13. Brandon Webb 1.20 14. Jose Contreras 1.21 15. Chris Capuano 1.21 16. David Bush 1.21 17. Jeremy Bonderman 1.22 18. Chris Young 1.22 19. Bronson Arroyo 1.22 20. Jake Peavy 1.23 20. CC Sabathia 1.23 There are only 12 guys with a WHIP under 1.20 in the entire MLB as of August 23rd. I know that people like to talk about how Jim Thome is the comeback player of the year, but I disagree. I'd vote for Mike Mussina. I sure as hell don't want to see that dude in the playoffs. Jered Weaver makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. BAA Rankings 1. Jered Weaver .191 2. Pedro Martinez .205 3. Francisco Liriano .206 4. Carlos Zambrano .206 5. Johan Santana .221 6. Jason Schmidt .223 7. Jeff Francis .223 8. Matt Cain .226 9. Josh Johnson .227 10. Chris Young .228 11. Chris Carpenter .235 12. Mike Mussina .238 13. John Lackey .238 14. Ervin Santana .239 15. Scott Kazmir .240 16. Jake Peavy .242 17. Jeremy Bonderman .245 18. Jose Contreras .246 19. John Smoltz .246 20. Scott Olsen .246 Look at the drop-off from #4 to #5. The Angels have three starters in the Top 15. If they can manage to get into the playoffs, I think that they'll have as good of a chance as any other AL team of making it to the World Series. Nobody wants to see that 1-2-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 John Lackey is 0-3, 7.36 ERA in last four starts. He had an ungodly run in July, but he's cooled off considerably. I'd be happy to face that John Lackey in the playoffs...the question of course will be which one actually shows up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 24, 2006 -> 11:41 PM) John Lackey is 0-3, 7.36 ERA in last four starts. He had an ungodly run in July, but he's cooled off considerably. I'd be happy to face that John Lackey in the playoffs...the question of course will be which one actually shows up. April: 1.13 WHIP/.196 BAA May: 1.14 WHIP/.229 BAA June: 1.07 WHIP/.195 BAA July: 1.04 WHIP/.213 BAA August: 2.36 WHIP/.404 BAA You make a good point. I'm gonna go ahead and write this month off as an anomaly, though. He kicked way too much ass in the first four months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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