Chisoxfn Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 They will meet in Tuscon and KW and all the other gm's should be their. The main topic at these meetings is trades as you can't negotiate with free agents yet. Some teams may also talk to their free agents trying to sign them up, or at least I think it works that way. Anyway, I'd look for the Sox to probably be quiet, but if they are going to land a starter, it could be quickly cause they've had a lot of negative press and making a move now could be a great way to get some positive spin on the Sox. Of course, I'd hate to see them force out a move, like KW did last year after he couldn't land Giles or Erstad so he traded the house for Ritchie. Take your time Williams, remember, their are a ton of quality starters out their and available in free agency so you need to use that as leverage, yes their is a thing called leverage that helps you get a better deal in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 kenny isnt going to make any moves just yet because he has no clue if in fact he will have to save a few bucks to pay frank with......but then again knowing kenny he will figure he has money in the bank and probably put the whole minor system with a few vets up for sale............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 5, 2002 Author Share Posted November 5, 2002 You can count on one thing with KW and thats that he is always trying to go out and bring in the key player. He's failed, but he's always out their trying. He landed Erstad for a couple minutes, tried to get Giles, got Boomer, got Ritchie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 I bet all the GM's have a bet going..... who could trick KW into trading 3 more young arms for a broken down piece of s***. KW is, for sure, the laughing stock at these meetings and comic relief for all real GM's in attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 5, 2002 Author Share Posted November 5, 2002 Phillips is far worse then KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 Originally posted by ChisoxfnPhillips is far worse then KW. That's opinion. Did Phillips ever make a Ritchie-esque trade? I don't know if he did..... I don't follow the team he GM's for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 5, 2002 Author Share Posted November 5, 2002 He's the Mets gm and personally I think that the Mo Vaughn trade was terrible as was the Jeremy Burnitz deal. Luckily for him Appier looks to be the best thing he gave up as Appier helped lead the Angels to the World Series. He also acquired Robby Alomar, but I can't put him at fault for that cause it was a great deal for the Mets. Ya, the Ritchie trade was terrible, but I don't think you can really judge a tenure on one player. I mean if KW wasn't their we wouldn't have guys like Joe Borchard to look forward to. I'm not saying he's great either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 Originally posted by Chisoxfn I mean if KW wasn't their we wouldn't have guys like Joe Borchard to look forward to. I'm not saying he's great either. KW wasn't GM at that time. Just because you can judge young, raw talent at the HS and college level doesn't mean you're qualified to GM a pro MLB club. KW has, thus far, proven that theory in a short amount of time. But it wasn't just the Ritchie debacle. There was D Wells too. Two "blockbuster" trades that did nothing but weaken the team. And I wouldn't call Marte a good pickup yet..... all he's proven, thus far, is that he can make saves when the Sox are out of contention. I hope him the best though when the Sox contend again..... hopefully sometime in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 5, 2002 Author Share Posted November 5, 2002 I agree with you on a lot of this. Personally I think it would be best for the Sox to move KW back into the guy in charge of the minor league operations and our draft picks and something of an assistant gm. Then hire someone with more experience on building a major league club in. I also want them to be well respected so KW can learn that you need to treat players with dignity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 Originally posted by ChisoxfnI agree with you on a lot of this. Personally I think it would be best for the Sox to move KW back into the guy in charge of the minor league operations and our draft picks and something of an assistant gm. Then hire someone with more experience on building a major league club in. I also want them to be well respected so KW can learn that you need to treat players with dignity. HAVE I NOT BEEN SCREAMING THIS ALL ALONG??????????? you finally realize it now?????? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 wasn't fn one of kw biggest backers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 Originally posted by hotsoxchick1 Originally posted by ChisoxfnI agree with you on a lot of this. Personally I think it would be best for the Sox to move KW back into the guy in charge of the minor league operations and our draft picks and something of an assistant gm. Then hire someone with more experience on building a major league club in. I also want them to be well respected so KW can learn that you need to treat players with dignity. HAVE I NOT BEEN SCREAMING THIS ALL ALONG??????????? you finally realize it now?????? lol That's why I love you HSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 Originally posted by LDFwasn't fn one of kw biggest backers? Uh huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 5, 2002 Author Share Posted November 5, 2002 Originally posted by LDFwasn't fn one of kw biggest backers? Yep, and sadly, being one of his biggest backers means I have to credit his talent for the minors while recognizing that he hasn't exactly been a great or even good gm. Thats not to say it won't happen, but my stance on a lot of issues has slowly been turning as everyone here corrupts me with their years of suffering. :metal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjav829 Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 Originally posted by ChisoxfnPhillips is far worse then KW. Syd Thrift is by far the worst. It's a shame the Orioles are searching for a GM. Thrift is the guy who asked the Blue Jays if Shawn Green was available...a year after they had traded him to the Dodgers!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted November 6, 2002 Share Posted November 6, 2002 jas i have never taken away any credit from kw when it comes to the minor system... i do belive he did his best works there..... its somewhere he should stay.....he is by no means a major league jm.....can you see the arizona meetings now..... ill bet that every gm in the league is fighting to sit next to kw and see what kind of deal they can make with him..... hey kenny...ill give you galvine for buehrle,maggs, and paulie.... galvine? kenny says... hes your pitcher right... sure you got a deal..... then the day comes and galvine not glavine shows up to spring training... kenny says hey who are you??.... im galvine the pitcher from the minors....you traded mark, maggs and paulie for me.....kenny says oh heck i thought he meant glavine the pitcher, theres two of you with a similar last name???? ahh to be a fly on the wall for those meetings......lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 6, 2002 Author Share Posted November 6, 2002 At least we agree on the minor leagues. I wish we had a better general manager, but I just got a feeling that Kw is the best we got, so I'm just going to route and hope he turns into a good gm. I alreayd know he knows minor league talent, and he is smart. I disagree with his I'm in charge mentality, but I can only hope it changes, cause I have no hope that JR will go out and bring someone better in. Come on KW, Earn yourself an Executive of the Year award!!!!!!!!!!!!:metal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted November 6, 2002 Share Posted November 6, 2002 well i can actually think of someone else i would rather have in kennys spot right now at gm.....i think that tony ensor the gm of the barons would be a better fit up here i feel......send kenny back down and bring up tony..........im sure he will rule with a different approach and we could actually have a chance at winning something.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 7, 2002 Share Posted November 7, 2002 Originally posted by Chisoxfn Come on KW, Earn yourself an Executive of the Year award!!!!!!!!!!!!:metal You been tweaking off of soxfan420's stash Chisoxfn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted November 7, 2002 Share Posted November 7, 2002 if i was another team's GM anytime i told my secretary to hold all my calls i would never forget to add "unless its kenny williams"... hell id have a direct line right to kenny's office, home, vacation home, cell phone , pager , e-mail , carrier pigeons , you name it..id evn buy the house next door to him...he'd make my career... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleM23 Posted November 7, 2002 Share Posted November 7, 2002 Originally posted by CubKilla Originally posted by Chisoxfn Come on KW, Earn yourself an Executive of the Year award!!!!!!!!!!!!:metal You been tweaking off of soxfan420's stash Chisoxfn? I don't think weed is that strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 7, 2002 Author Share Posted November 7, 2002 Originally posted by doubleM23 Originally posted by CubKilla Originally posted by Chisoxfn Come on KW, Earn yourself an Executive of the Year award!!!!!!!!!!!!:metal You been tweaking off of soxfan420's stash Chisoxfn? I don't think weed is that strong. If it happens, I know one thing, I'll be getting a lot of money from all you guys wanting to buy some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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