RockRaines Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Long-term planning May 1 - According to the Daily Southtown, Joe Crede understood why the White Sox offered him a one-year deal over the winter: to avoid arbitration and make him prove the two herniated discs in his lower back would hold up. While Crede is eligible for arbitration again this offseason, the third baseman is hoping for a deal with a bit more security. "If they wanted to sign me to a one-year deal, then I'm happy with that," Crede told the newspaper. "You would like to have the security there, but they didn't offer me it. I'm not going to sit around and cry about it. Hopefully, someone out there will pick me up or sign me, but I would love to play here. This is where I would love to end my career." Oh and Joe Borchard is being looked at by the Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 If Crede can stay healthy and hit relatively consistently, I think we'll be signing him to a long term deal. Josh Fields is not the answer at 3rd base, however, he may replace Pods in LF in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 I'd give him a similar deal to AJ, but more like 3 years and 18 mil, but nothing more at this point. I think a deal like that could happen after the season, IF he is serious about not letting his agent (Scotty Bor-ass) get in the way of a deal. I believe we do control his rights through the 2007 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 1, 2006 -> 01:01 PM) I'd give him a similar deal to AJ, but more like 3 years and 18 mil, but nothing more at this point. I think a deal like that could happen after the season, IF he is serious about not letting his agent (Scotty Bor-ass) get in the way of a deal. I believe we do control his rights through the 2007 season. I'm thinking more along the lines of 3 yr 12 mill with some potential incentives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 1, 2006 -> 02:03 PM) I'm thinking more along the lines of 3 yr 12 mill with some potential incentives. If he keeps up what he's doing thus far this season, We'll wish we would have signed him for that last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Even though (agreeing with Gage) Fields likely isn't the solution at third, it's nice to see him pushing a little with his bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 1, 2006 -> 04:01 PM) I'd give him a similar deal to AJ, but more like 3 years and 18 mil, but nothing more at this point. I think a deal like that could happen after the season, IF he is serious about not letting his agent (Scotty Bor-ass) get in the way of a deal. I believe we do control his rights through the 2007 season. I think that is the most important aspect of re-signing Crede. Should Boras get in the mix, the Sox arent going to get a fair shake. Im sure that guy already has a 254 page book about how much impact Crede has on the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 1, 2006 -> 05:03 PM) I'm thinking more along the lines of 3 yr 12 mill with some potential incentives. In arbitration next year he could easily get 4/5 million, so there's no way he'd take that deal. I'd say 3/18 would be what it would take to get it done. If you listen to any of the away announcers in the AL, which I do a lot being out of market like you, you'll notice that pretty much every announcing team refers to Crede as being one of the top 3B in the AL. Word is definitely finally getting around on Crede after the playoffs last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Crede/agent would never agree to 3/12. 3/18 would probably be the lowest we could get him for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxhawks Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 It is tough to find a third baseman, and he may not have the numbers an outfielder puts up, but for his position he plays solid defense and is becoming a big league hitter and should be a top 10 third baseman by years end if not already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted May 1, 2006 Author Share Posted May 1, 2006 QUOTE(soxhawks @ May 1, 2006 -> 03:23 PM) It is tough to find a third baseman, and he may not have the numbers an outfielder puts up, but for his position he plays solid defense and is becoming a big league hitter and should be a top 10 third baseman by years end if not already. He is a serious contender for the gold glove this year. Especially if he keeps hitting. He is going to cost alot more than 5 million a year IMO. 3B in MLB Salaries Blalock 3 million Ensberg 3.8 million Cabrera 472k Lowell 9 million Chavez 9.5 million Mueller 4.6 million Mora 4.3 million Glaus 10 million David Bell 4.7 Inge 3 million Aramis Ramirez 11 million So there are a few that are soon due for bigger paychecks like Mora, Cabrera, Blalock etc. But I think around 5-6 million a year should get it done IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 I definitely want to see something done, as far as a contract. Crede's coming into his own, and he's certainly become a fan favorite over the past year for obvious reasons. Why would you want to let him go after all that, when we could potentially experience all the same struggles again with Fields? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Git R Done! Joe Joe is a White Sox. Borch Torch will go on to do bad for yet another team. greasy, is that the one and only John Basedow in your avatar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 QUOTE(Dan @ May 1, 2006 -> 06:03 PM) Git R Done! Joe Joe is a White Sox. Borch Torch will go on to do bad for yet another team. greasy, is that the one and only John Basedow in your avatar? I was abducted for a second. I don't even know what it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 1, 2006 -> 02:06 PM) I was abducted for a second. I don't even know what it was. Sure you didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phuck the Cubs Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 He is a serious contender for the gold glove this year. Especially if he keeps hitting. He is going to cost alot more than 5 million a year IMO. 3B in MLB Salaries Blalock 3 million Ensberg 3.8 million Cabrera 472k Lowell 9 million Chavez 9.5 million Mueller 4.6 million Mora 4.3 million Glaus 10 million David Bell 4.7 Inge 3 million Aramis Ramirez 11 million So there are a few that are soon due for bigger paychecks like Mora, Cabrera, Blalock etc. But I think around 5-6 million a year should get it done IMO. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Where's Adrian Beltre on that list?? He has a 5-year, 64M deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3RDBASE Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Give Joe what he has earned! Lock him up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 How about some Soxtalk Joe Crede magic moments... Ah memories. This whole thread was fun, seems Valentin>Crede http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32309 "You think that Cincy would trade Randa for Crede straight-up? " "I would take Griffey on the DL for Crede" "Get off his nuts. We need a new 3B." "Bold prediction: Crede will be benched at some point during the season for Pablo Ozuna. Crede will be playing for a different team next season. " "crede is gone after this season. There is no doubt in my mind. His production, his agent, and his successor are all going to contribute to this fact. HE GONE" [April 8, 2005] "Too bad the M's didn't take Crede instead of Jeremy Reed." "I think we will see alot of Uribe or Ozuna at third and the other at short. I actually wouldnt mind that lineup, it has alot of speed potential. " And my personal favorite... "Crede is just another overhyped Sox prospect. Not his fault that he sucks. We better trade for Vinny Castilla at 3M/yr if we really care about winning it all. You cannot beat the Yankees or Red Sox with any hole in your line up." [April 8, 2005] I Soxtalk's patience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Classic stuff Mike. The discussions I remember most were Crede for Randa ... and some people wanted the White Sox to add something else to the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 I'm one of the few who was with Crede all the way! I'm proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ May 1, 2006 -> 04:41 PM) He is a serious contender for the gold glove this year. Especially if he keeps hitting. He is going to cost alot more than 5 million a year IMO. I know what you mean, but that statement is a sad state of affairs. That's why they have the Silver Slugger award, for people like Manny...Gold Glove should be for fielding only. But, like I said, I know what you mean, and you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 If Crede keeps hitting the way he has so far, getting him locked up to a 3 or 4 year deal sounds like a good idea. How's it going to impact Josh Fields though? Fields is raking in AAA, and will probably have to move to 1B or the OF. Maybe he can play CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 2, 2006 -> 02:22 PM) If Crede keeps hitting the way he has so far, getting him locked up to a 3 or 4 year deal sounds like a good idea. How's it going to impact Josh Fields though? Fields is raking in AAA, and will probably have to move to 1B or the OF. Maybe he can play CF. Mark Teixeira , Jim Thome, Carlos Lee. Josh Fields might just be another in a long line of players who have switched form 3B to 1B/LF and have gone on to be very productive players at thier new positions. Edited May 2, 2006 by Kalapse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 3, 2006 -> 05:33 AM) Mark Teixeira , Jim Thome, Carlos Lee. Josh Fields might just be another in a long line of players who have switched form 3B to 1B/LF and have gone on to be very productive players at thier new positions. LF would probably be the best option at this stage, with Pods no certainity to be back next season, and Jerry Owens struggling down at AAA. But Fields has really been a pleasant suprise for me the way he's come into AAA and hit straight off the bat. Too bad Chris Young is also doing the same in AAA Tucson, but that's a whole notha story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJean Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 2, 2006 -> 07:24 AM) How about some Soxtalk Joe Crede magic moments... Ah memories. This whole thread was fun, seems Valentin>Crede http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32309 "You think that Cincy would trade Randa for Crede straight-up? " "I would take Griffey on the DL for Crede" "Get off his nuts. We need a new 3B." "Bold prediction: Crede will be benched at some point during the season for Pablo Ozuna. Crede will be playing for a different team next season. " "crede is gone after this season. There is no doubt in my mind. His production, his agent, and his successor are all going to contribute to this fact. HE GONE" [April 8, 2005] "Too bad the M's didn't take Crede instead of Jeremy Reed." "I think we will see alot of Uribe or Ozuna at third and the other at short. I actually wouldnt mind that lineup, it has alot of speed potential. " And my personal favorite... "Crede is just another overhyped Sox prospect. Not his fault that he sucks. We better trade for Vinny Castilla at 3M/yr if we really care about winning it all. You cannot beat the Yankees or Red Sox with any hole in your line up." [April 8, 2005] I Soxtalk's patience Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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