Top 10 Disappointing SPs

[hammerhead johnson]

IMO, of course. List yours too.

 

1. Brad Radke (7.75 ERA, 1.70 WHIP, .360 BAA)

2. Jon Garland (6.75 ERA, 1.59 WHIP, .333 BAA)

3. Andy Pettite (5.66 ERA, 1.64 WHIP, .318 BAA)

4. Dontrelle Willis (6.22 ERA, 1.58 WHIP, .305 BAA)

5. Joe Blanton (6.38 ERA, 1.61 WHIP, .310 BAA)

6. Livan Hernandez (6.52 ERA, 1.65 WHIP, .307 BAA)

7. Kevin Millwood (5.13 ERA, 1.46 WHIP. .304 BAA)

8. Matt Morris (6.20 ERA, 1.51 WHIP, .284 BAA)

9. Felix Hernandez (4.58 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, .277 BAA)

10. Dan Haren ((5.03 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, .270 BAA)

10. Zach Duke (4.02 ERA, 1.42 WHIP, .268 BAA)

 

I have a 10th place tie between Dan Haren and Zach Duke.

 

I expected a healthy Matt Morris to pitch well in SF based on his first half numbers from last year, but it's not working out thus far.

 

Brad Radke is only 33 years old. It's not like he's over-the-hill. He has to turn it around at some point, but his numbers are atrocious right now. That's actually an understatement.

 

Most of these guys play in great pitching conditions (Willis, Blanton, L. Hernandez, Morris, F. Hernandez, Haren, Duke, etc), so their numbers are all the more disturbing.

 

If your BAA is up over .300, you're just killing your team. Garland is at .333 right now.

[Milkman delivers]

When I saw the title a second ago, I thought, "Garland has to be on this." He is, and he deserves it.

 

Millwood, to me, isn't surprising at all.

[witesoxfan]

I'm adding 2 to the list

 

Carlos Silva(8.23 ERA, 1.64 WHIP, .355 BAA)

AJ Burnett(6.30 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, .279 BAA, 10 IP)

 

I made mention of this last night in a different thread about Silva, but all the same. His K/BB is actually decent - 3.00 - but that's because he hands out walks people like he's playing softball. The fact remains that he has 12 K's in 42.2 IP...Flash Gordon has twice as many in 16 innings.

 

Burnett's obviously a disappointment because he is bringing in $60 mill and has pitched 10 innings. That's just pure ouch.

Edited May 14, 2006 by witesoxfan

[Buehrle>Wood]

No Eric Milton?

 

Did he use up this status last year?

[witesoxfan]

No Eric Milton?

 

Did he use up this status last year?

 

He's used up that status throughout his entire career.

[jackie hayes]

If Duke's not on your fantasy team, he doesn't make that list.

 

How about guys who were expected to be decent rotation filler, and end up sucking worse than the suckiest suck? Rodrigo Lopez, Jeff Weaver, Matt Cain.

 

And don't forget Tim Hudson. He's had a couple stellar outings to bring his overall numbers down, but when a guy of his pedigree has a pattern of games that reminds you more of Daniel Cabrera than Tim freaking Hudson, that's a disappointment.

[Phuck the Cubs]

Wood and Prior have to be on that list.

[witesoxfan]

Wood and Prior have to be on that list.

 

We're talking this season, not career wise. They've been down for the past 3 years now...that's expectation, not exception.

 

No offense or anything, but you really are obsessed with the Cubs.

[WHarris1]

but you really are obsessed with the Cubs.

It's really ridiculous

[Phuck the Cubs]

It's really ridiculous

I f***ing hate the Cubs, all right.

[greasywheels121]

Wood and Prior have to be on that list.

 

:headshake :headshake :headshake

[Phuck the Cubs]

:headshake :headshake :headshake

They suck when they're healthy. They're not that good.

[greasywheels121]

They suck when they're healthy. They're not that good.

 

Would it be possible for you to not say anything Cub-related for even a week? There's just absolutely no reason for it.

[Felix]

I f***ing hate the Cubs, all right.

Man, I thought you loved them

[whitesoxin']

IMO, of course. List yours too.

 

1. Brad Radke (7.75 ERA, 1.70 WHIP, .360 BAA)

2. Jon Garland (6.75 ERA, 1.59 WHIP, .333 BAA)

3. Andy Pettite (5.66 ERA, 1.64 WHIP, .318 BAA)

4. Dontrelle Willis (6.22 ERA, 1.58 WHIP, .305 BAA)

5. Joe Blanton (6.38 ERA, 1.61 WHIP, .310 BAA)

6. Livan Hernandez (6.52 ERA, 1.65 WHIP, .307 BAA)

7. Kevin Millwood (5.13 ERA, 1.46 WHIP. .304 BAA)

8. Matt Morris (6.20 ERA, 1.51 WHIP, .284 BAA)

9. Felix Hernandez (4.58 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, .277 BAA)

10. Dan Haren ((5.03 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, .270 BAA)

10. Zach Duke (4.02 ERA, 1.42 WHIP, .268 BAA)

 

I have a 10th place tie between Dan Haren and Zach Duke.

 

I expected a healthy Matt Morris to pitch well in SF based on his first half numbers from last year, but it's not working out thus far.

 

Brad Radke is only 33 years old. It's not like he's over-the-hill. He has to turn it around at some point, but his numbers are atrocious right now. That's actually an understatement.

 

Most of these guys play in great pitching conditions (Willis, Blanton, L. Hernandez, Morris, F. Hernandez, Haren, Duke, etc), so their numbers are all the more disturbing.

 

If your BAA is up over .300, you're just killing your team. Garland is at .333 right now.

 

 

Ironically 4 of the pitchers on that list are on ONE of my fantasy teams. 4. On one team.

[jackie hayes]

Ironically 4 of the pitchers on that list are on ONE of my fantasy teams. 4. On one team.

Thanks, Alanis.

[CWSGuy406]

They suck when they're healthy. They're not that good.

 

:banghead

 

Mark Prior -- career ERA+, 132.

 

Kerry Wood -- career ERA+, 116.

 

To say they suck because they're never healthy is one thing. To say that they suck when they are healthy is blind stupidity, especially in Prior's case. I'd take him on our team in a second, regardless of health issues.

[whitesoxfan101]

Zambrano has been hurting my teams, 1-2 with an ERA of about 4...so if you want to take the "Cub hate" angle, he's the guy you'd look at .

[YASNY]

I f***ing hate the Cubs, all right.

 

You'd be a much better poster if you forgot the Cubs even existed.

[hammerhead johnson]

I'm adding 2 to the list

 

Carlos Silva(8.23 ERA, 1.64 WHIP, .355 BAA)

AJ Burnett(6.30 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, .279 BAA, 10 IP)

 

I made mention of this last night in a different thread about Silva, but all the same. His K/BB is actually decent - 3.00 - but that's because he hands out walks people like he's playing softball. The fact remains that he has 12 K's in 42.2 IP...Flash Gordon has twice as many in 16 innings.

 

Burnett's obviously a disappointment because he is bringing in $60 mill and has pitched 10 innings. That's just pure ouch.

 

Carlos Silva gave up 9 walks in 188 IP last year, which IIRC was the 7th best ratio in the history of the majors. I read it somewhere, but I can't recall the source.

 

I considered Burnett, but he's been injured pretty much all season, so I left him off.

 

If Duke's not on your fantasy team, he doesn't make that list.

 

How about guys who were expected to be decent rotation filler, and end up sucking worse than the suckiest suck? Rodrigo Lopez, Jeff Weaver, Matt Cain.

 

And don't forget Tim Hudson. He's had a couple stellar outings to bring his overall numbers down, but when a guy of his pedigree has a pattern of games that reminds you more of Daniel Cabrera than Tim freaking Hudson, that's a disappointment.

 

I considered Hudson, but he was saved by a good WHIP (1.27) and a respectable BAA (.251). His numbers started to look much better once I got to the Pettites, Garlands, Blantons, Radkes, etc.

 

Zambrano has been hurting my teams, 1-2 with an ERA of about 4...so if you want to take the "Cub hate" angle, he's the guy you'd look at .

 

He got off to an atrocious start, but he leads the NL in strikeouts with 54 (second in the MLB to Johan's 58), has a damn good BAA (.233), and his ERA is now under 4.00. That WHIP (1.54) is still pathetic, though.

[whitesoxfan101]

He got off to an atrocious start, but he leads the NL in strikeouts with 54 (second in the MLB to Johan's 58), has a damn good BAA (.233), and his ERA is now under 4.00. That WHIP (1.54) is still pathetic, though.

 

Yeah he hasn't been bad, but 1 win and a s***ty WHIP as of May 14th is a big dissapointment for somebody who is a top of the line fanstasy stud on the mound normally.

[ChWRoCk2]

IMO, of course. List yours too.

 

1. Brad Radke (7.75 ERA, 1.70 WHIP, .360 BAA)

2. Jon Garland (6.75 ERA, 1.59 WHIP, .333 BAA)

3. Andy Pettite (5.66 ERA, 1.64 WHIP, .318 BAA)

4. Dontrelle Willis (6.22 ERA, 1.58 WHIP, .305 BAA)

5. Joe Blanton (6.38 ERA, 1.61 WHIP, .310 BAA)

6. Livan Hernandez (6.52 ERA, 1.65 WHIP, .307 BAA)

7. Kevin Millwood (5.13 ERA, 1.46 WHIP. .304 BAA)

8. Matt Morris (6.20 ERA, 1.51 WHIP, .284 BAA)

9. Felix Hernandez (4.58 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, .277 BAA)

10. Dan Haren ((5.03 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, .270 BAA)

10. Zach Duke (4.02 ERA, 1.42 WHIP, .268 BAA)

 

I have a 10th place tie between Dan Haren and Zach Duke.

 

I expected a healthy Matt Morris to pitch well in SF based on his first half numbers from last year, but it's not working out thus far.

 

Brad Radke is only 33 years old. It's not like he's over-the-hill. He has to turn it around at some point, but his numbers are atrocious right now. That's actually an understatement.

 

Most of these guys play in great pitching conditions (Willis, Blanton, L. Hernandez, Morris, F. Hernandez, Haren, Duke, etc), so their numbers are all the more disturbing.

 

If your BAA is up over .300, you're just killing your team. Garland is at .333 right now.

Livan should improve hes doin better his last couple games but thus far makes the list.

Willis is on a poor team with no run support I didnt expect much, smart fantasy owners like me were smart enough to not draft him.

I dont know if i consider felix eligible but he has some hype around him.

 

Ill throw some names in there, i agree with all of yours:

11. AJ Burnett (6.30 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, .279 BAA)

Yes hes only started two games but thus far more was expected of him.

 

12. Ben Sheets (6.64 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, .325 BAA)

Same case as Burnett.

 

13. Oliver Perez (7.71 ERA, 2.11 WHIP, .321 BAA)

Alot of people expected more out of him this year, but it only got worse for him.

[SoxAce]

9. Felix Hernandez (4.58 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, .277 BAA)

 

I know it's your opinion, so I'm just gonna say I agree with basically everyone listed except this kid. Barely his first FULL year in the bigs and he's on a list with alot of quality pitchers who have been in the league for years? I don't agree with Blanton and Duke eigher, even though Blanton is worse right now. I'll take Duke and King Felix's era over say the others right now. Sheets, Burnett have got to be on there. And like another poster said, Oliver Perez has so much friggin potential and GREAT stuff, yet he can't even get a good era in the bigs (1 good year.) Man you talk about a waste of talent.

[ChWRoCk2]

I know it's your opinion, so I'm just gonna say I agree with basically everyone listed except this kid. Barely his first FULL year in the bigs and he's on a list with alot of quality pitchers who have been in the league for years? I don't agree with Blanton and Duke eigher, even though Blanton is worse right now. I'll take Duke and King Felix's era over say the others right now. Sheets, Burnett have got to be on there. And like another poster said, Oliver Perez has so much friggin potential and GREAT stuff, yet he can't even get a good era in the bigs (1 good year.) Man you talk about a waste of talent.

Yep Oliver just needs a scenery change like that of Jose Contreras, maybe move to the AL which in my opinion wouldnt help (look at Randy) but some players just need to find a new home, being on the pirates isnt very motivating, they are horrible and no player would enjoy pitching for them.

[rangercal]

You'd be a much better poster if you forgot the Cubs even existed.

meh.. to each his own. He's not bothering me. Plus, I think sox fans who grow up in or around chicago have a different perspective on the cub hate than sox fans from different parts of the country or world for that matter. Sox fans in chicago have to go to school, work with, live with and most importantly deal with cub fans every breathing day of our lives. So if he needs to lash out, what better place than a white sox message board? I have never been in his shoes, so he may have reasons that he compiled over his life to add to the core of his hate towards the Cubs and their fans. I know I have my reasons.