BigSqwert Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 16, 2006 -> 08:14 PM) Im so close to the ignore button, but I really dont want for you to be the 1st, want to use it for someone better.... Not sure why that would be ignore-worthy. Was a reasonable question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 16, 2006 -> 08:11 PM) They produce 2 runs, it's a 3 run game with 9 outs to go. Kazmir has 95 pitches, I wouldn't call it over after that. But it's good to know you would concede a 3 run game with 3 innings to play against a team with a bullpen ERA over 5.5 You seem to forget that our bullpen is just as bad other than the fact we have a closer and Cotts has been better recently. We'd have been down 3, but it wouldn't have lasted for long, as you see right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 16, 2006 -> 08:11 PM) Did you expect them to go 120-40? Its going to happen, glad its now and not in September. (BTW, I dont even think there in a funk. They got owned by the Cy Young winner, Saturdays game was just f***ed up, and tonight was a bad matchup on a few levels.) Yes, yes I did. But seriously, it seems as if their lacking that approach at the plate that they had in April. Of course their going to lose some games and of course there will be some losing streaks but as of right now, I think our bullpen just needs a lift. Whether its Nelson, Montero, Hermanson, Nomo...I don't care, we just need to get people out. I'm not panicking, I'm not jumping off any cliffs but the bullpen is starting to worry me just a bit. Once Contreras is back, I will feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Spencer Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 he better not be on the plane back Maybe he'll get a bus ticket from Tampa to Brimingham I can't believe I stayed up for this game (I'm working midnights and I should be sleeping) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Here's another s***bag into the game. Activate Contreras after the game, get Montero out of here and then bring up Nelson and get rid of Logan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 16, 2006 -> 08:13 PM) Mussina: 6-1, 2.56, 52/10 Kazmir: 6-2, 2.78, 54/20 Only difference I see is Mussina gets more run support and has a couple less walks, so it's debateable who is the best right now. Better ERA, better WHIP, better BAA Looks a little bit better to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Well....J. Jones just got doubled off on another fly ball to the left fielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Literally just walked in from practice and saw the score...Anyone mind giving me a quick recap? How'd McCarthy look? And the boxscore doesn't look so good for either of our pitchers so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 You know what suxks? The AL west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Well....J. Jones just got doubled off on another fly ball to the left fielder. I can't believe Soriano made that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 17, 2006 -> 01:15 AM) There is a part of me that in games like this wants Logan and Montero to be shelled just to make it look that much worse to make getting another arm in here happen quicker. I have all the faith in the world Kenny will get something done. I'm not going to lie....I wanted Boone to give up 100 runs this inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 16, 2006 -> 09:16 PM) Literally just walked in from practice and saw the score...Anyone mind giving me a quick recap? How'd McCarthy look? And the boxscore doesn't look so good for either of our pitchers so far. I tried asking, no answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 17, 2006 Author Share Posted May 17, 2006 BOONE LOGAN = Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 16, 2006 -> 09:16 PM) Literally just walked in from practice and saw the score...Anyone mind giving me a quick recap? How'd McCarthy look? And the boxscore doesn't look so good for either of our pitchers so far. We were fine until Boone Logan happened. Mac was good besides back to back jacks in the 2nd, had to leave due to pitch count and then Logan totally f***ed us over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 16, 2006 -> 08:16 PM) Better ERA, better WHIP, better BAA Looks a little bit better to me So 2/10 of a run ERA, which at this point could be as simple as a ball hitting the catwalk and landing instead of being a flyout, means Mussina is better? Interesting logic, although I guess if you have a better WHIP and BAA, your a better pitcher...similar to how Pods is better than Soriano since his OBP and strikeout ratios are better. I love stats. Edited May 17, 2006 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 16, 2006 -> 08:16 PM) Literally just walked in from practice and saw the score...Anyone mind giving me a quick recap? How'd McCarthy look? And the boxscore doesn't look so good for either of our pitchers so far. McCarthy looked ok but everything fell apart with his departure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(jphat007 @ May 17, 2006 -> 01:16 AM) You know what suxks? The AL west. It's funny seeing the Yankees continue to come back from a 9-1 deficit vs the Rangers. That game is probably going to take a few years of life away from some Rangers fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Wow, I think we've found our bullpen savior. Montero is damn good. We really, really need some more decent relievers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 16, 2006 -> 08:18 PM) So 2/10 of a run ERA, which at this point could be as simple as a ball hitting the catwalk and landing instead of being a flyout, means Mussina is better? Interesting logic, although I guess if you have a better WHIP and BAA, your a better pitcher...similar to how Pods is better than Soriano since his OBP and strikeout ratios are better. I love stats. For the love of everything that is holy what other stats would you like to use? That Pods-Soriano comparison is beyond horrible. Give me more than one stat where Kazmir is bettering Mussina, please. Edited May 17, 2006 by WHarris1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Chase Kazmir and get into that fat tampa pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 17, 2006 -> 01:18 AM) For the love of everything that is holy what other stats would you like to use? I don't care if Cy Young is pitching for Tampa, you should still have a chance to beat them. Santana is the only pitcher in this league who I don't expect the Sox to have a chance in hell against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Something I hope we never see: Logan vs. Pujols Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 16, 2006 -> 08:18 PM) For the love of everything that is holy what other stats would you like to use? That Pods-Soriano comparison is beyond horrible. Give me more than one stat where Kazmir is bettering Mussina, please. Give me a stat where Mussina is more than a fraction better than Kazmir other than "WHIP". Your the one that got into the stats debate, where they have stats that are pretty much identical. I'll give you the argument that Mussina could have been the best pitcher in the AL East right now, but Kazmir has been just as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 As bad as TB's bullpen is, Montero and Logan wouldn't be on their roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 I know what guillen is doing but you need to have major league pitchers on the team not guys to run out there and "take one for the team" that is all logan and this assclown pitching are good for. We need 11 major league pitchers not guys to take one for the f***ing team. Screw that. Friday and tonight were giveaways because our bullpen is short two arms. A major league reliever should have been brought up and McCarthy should have started the last two games Jose games. Three games since last week were give away because we didn't have apitcher to come in and hold ateam down. At least we have found out in May and not September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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