Pants Rowland Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 (edited) Anderson did his job last night and took a nice walk in the 8th. If you want to blame somebody for the loss, blame Thome for striking out with a chance to tie the game. We need to replace him soon! Edited May 17, 2006 by Beltin'Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ May 17, 2006 -> 06:58 AM) Not a chance that Ozzie/KW will continue to play him if he's hitting under .200 all season. Ozzie and KW don't expect him to keep hitting at below .200. He'll either come around or they'll send him to Charlotte to work it out. But his defense would be a huge loss, IMO. He's better than the guy who was playing there last year. Yes, I said it! He's a better defender than Rowand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 It's not MVP numbers (and I don't expect those out of BA....especially as a rookie), but the kid is hitting .269 with a pair of homers over the past 10 games. His defense has probably saved at least a run or two over that period as well. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...layer_id=435042 Would I rather have Rowand in there? Sure I would (I'd take ARow over every other center fielder in the game). However, we had to give up a lot to acquire Thome and I think BA is beginning to do a very admirable job of filling this position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(sin city sox fan @ May 17, 2006 -> 11:46 AM) It's not MVP numbers (and I don't expect those out of BA....especially as a rookie), but the kid is hitting .269 with a pair of homers over the past 10 games. His defense has probably saved at least a run or two over that period as well. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...layer_id=435042 Would I rather have Rowand in there? Sure I would (I'd take ARow over every other center fielder in the game). However, we had to give up a lot to acquire Thome and I think BA is beginning to do a very admirable job of filling this position. You are nuts. Andruw Jones Carlos Beltran Vernon Wells Grady Sizemore Just to name a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(BigSqwert @ May 17, 2006 -> 08:34 AM) Of the top 5 things that bother me about the Sox this year, he doesn't even make the list. My list in no particular order: - Boone Logan's suckiness - Jon Garland's woes - Ross Gload's uselessness for this team - Jenk's shaky outings - The incomplete green seats how about the entire middle relief's suckiness in general? the only pitcher with a sub-5.00 ERA is Cotts' 2.65. Logan's on par with everyone else in our pen, so why single him out? my only hope for him was that he'd be a serviceable stop-gap, it's not like he was never touted as the next Billy Wagner, or really even the another Neal Cotts, so don't single him out without mentioning Politte, Thornton (who looked good Tuesday), and McCarthy. Edited May 17, 2006 by AirScott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 17, 2006 -> 11:55 AM) You are nuts. Andruw Jones Carlos Beltran Vernon Wells Grady Sizemore Just to name a few. Torii Hunter Jim Edmonds ...to name a couple more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ May 17, 2006 -> 12:03 PM) Torii Hunter Jim Edmonds ...to name a couple more. Delmon Young just to name the best outfielder out there. Edited May 17, 2006 by WilliamTell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ May 17, 2006 -> 08:34 AM) Of the top 5 things that bother me about the Sox this year, he doesn't even make the list. My list in no particular order: - Boone Logan's suckiness - Jon Garland's woes - Ross Gload's uselessness for this team - Jenk's shaky outings - The incomplete green seats That's about my list as well. But he's in the top 10, maybe the top 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ May 17, 2006 -> 08:34 AM) Of the top 5 things that bother me about the Sox this year, he doesn't even make the list. My list in no particular order: - Boone Logan's suckiness - Jon Garland's woes - Ross Gload's uselessness for this team - Jenk's shaky outings - The incomplete green seats Jenks? Doesn't really bother me. Buehrle bothers me more right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 17, 2006 -> 12:18 PM) Jenks? Doesn't really bother me. 9 ER in 16 innings isn't very impressive for a closer. Not saying he's terrible but I'd like to see that ERA go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ May 17, 2006 -> 12:03 PM) Torii Hunter Jim Edmonds ...to name a couple more. Edmonds belongs no where near that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 17, 2006 -> 01:20 PM) Edmonds belongs no where near that list. 35 years old and declining, give me Aaron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Mack's been hitting better of late with 7 hits in his last 14 at bats, just one extra base hit, though. If Mack is over his season opening slump would you be surprised to see his platooning with Anderson if Brian doesn't start hitting better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I wouldn't be surprised, but I'd be pissed. Mackowiak is a veteran with a proven level of mediocrity at the plate and he's not even average in CF. BA, even on his worst day at the plate, is an upper-echelon MLB CF defensively. That is valuable, a good CF makes the whole OF better, and saves quite a few runs. I want BA to start 3/4 or 4/5 games for this club. Mackowiak needs to be used more in the corners--LF and RF--over Ozuna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Yea, great points. I just hope Anderson can get it into the .250 range with some ribbies before too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 People have to remember that with his craptacular start, his average isn't going to raise quickly if he hits .250, which is all most people are asking. He hit .161 in April and .200 in May. He's gonna need a .300 month to start yanking that average up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 True, heads22, but at some point, if he expects to be a big league player contributing to the world champions' lineup, he needs a .350 or .400 month to make up for his s*** first month and a half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Some splits for Brian, which are sort of interesting Away: .107 Home: .268 5/10 in "close and late situations" QUOTE(greg775 @ May 17, 2006 -> 11:36 PM) True, heads22, but at some point, if he expects to be a big league player contributing to the world champions' lineup, he needs a .350 or .400 month to make up for his s*** first month and a half. I don't see it that way. If he hits .250 the rest of the season, the marginal effect on his average will bring it up to, what, .210-.230? Aren't we asking him to hit .250 with great D? We've got (tied) for the best record in with him hitting in Julio Ramirez territory. If he can hit .300 the rest of the season, that's great, but a slow climb in his average will do. What we need to look for is steady improvement more than anything. If he regresses, that's when we need to worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ May 17, 2006 -> 11:36 PM) True, heads22, but at some point, if he expects to be a big league player contributing to the world champions' lineup, he needs a .350 or .400 month to make up for his s*** first month and a half. .350 - .400 is not going to happen, remember Uribe's amazing September last year? He ended up hitting .304 for the month. We'll be lucky if we get one month out of him where he hits .300 seeing how Rowand did that twice last year (.320 being the high). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I can never figure out why people throw out magic numbers which Anderson's batting average must be higher than at the end of the season to call him a success. It really is ridiculous. The difference between 10 or 20 batting average points over the course of a season is just a handful of hits. Getting an extra bloop single each month or lining the ball right at someone a few more times than normal will skew results for better or worse. Batting average is just not the metric we should be using to measure anyone's worthiness in their rookie season. All we can hope for is for Anderson is to keep up the stellar defense and work on improving his contact rate at the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(3E8 @ May 18, 2006 -> 04:05 PM) All we can hope for is for Anderson is to keep up the stellar defense and work on improving his contact rate at the plate. Yep absolutely, and I think in the last week or 2 in terms of him making contact he has done a better job of that (well before he faced Scott Kazmir). For a team built around pitching and defense though, he is certainly doing his part in terms of that aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(3E8 @ May 18, 2006 -> 01:05 AM) I can never figure out why people throw out magic numbers which Anderson's batting average must be higher than at the end of the season to call him a success. It really is ridiculous. The difference between 10 or 20 batting average points over the course of a season is just a handful of hits. Getting an extra bloop single each month or lining the ball right at someone a few more times than normal will skew results for better or worse. Batting average is just not the metric we should be using to measure anyone's worthiness in their rookie season. All we can hope for is for Anderson is to keep up the stellar defense and work on improving his contact rate at the plate. Because if BA doesn't get his average up, we'll keep seeing threads like this one: http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=49995 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Can Ozuna play CF if needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ May 18, 2006 -> 01:49 AM) Can Ozuna play CF if needed? With out ever seeing him play cf, I think no would be the safe answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 He seems quicker than Mack. He plays solid LF. I bet he'd be as good as Mack if they tried him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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