DBAHO Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ May 18, 2006 -> 12:09 PM) Doesn't saying "besides the Twin game" sort of destroy any solid consistancy? Well then I could bring up the argument of Mark Buerhle's consistency over his last few outings all over again. Jon's ERA for this month would probably be down to around the 4.00 mark after tonight's outing, which is a lot better than the 7.11 he had in April. So yeah it's progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 18, 2006 Author Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ May 17, 2006 -> 09:10 PM) GREAT job JG. Perfect confidence builder for big Jon. It's time for him to build on this start. Good job by the offense. Good game all around. I like to go with the optimist when there's a disagreement about where a player is headed. I think Garland will have another good outing next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ May 17, 2006 -> 09:09 PM) Doesn't saying "besides the Twin game" sort of destroy any solid consistancy? Well if you erase 4 of his starts this year where he sucked, his ERA is a spectacular 3.18!!11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 17, 2006 -> 10:11 PM) Your right, he blows. Tonight was nothing to build on, and I expect nothing short of 8 ER next outing. Garland sucks. I do agree that he sucks (I know, you aren't being serious), but thats not what I was saying. If you are saying something about consistancy, doesn't saying "besides " sort of go against the point of saying anything about consistancy in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 17, 2006 -> 09:11 PM) Your right, he blows. Tonight was nothing to build on, and I expect nothing short of 8 ER next outing. Garland sucks. What was the point of that? He made a valid observation, you can't just take away outings when talking about a players consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 17, 2006 -> 10:14 PM) That I agree with. However, I dont see the point on just ragging on Garland, especially after a game like this. He was our 18 game winner last year, and its amazing how quickly people have turned on him. I wasn't ragging on Garland.. I was "ragging on" something that was said about him that didn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 17, 2006 -> 09:14 PM) That I agree with. However, I dont see the point on just ragging on Garland, especially after a game like this. He was our 18 game winner last year, and its amazing how quickly people have turned on him. He hasn't been very good for the past 3 months, I certainly think it's OK to be worried about him and post your concerns. A lot of people think his fast start last year was an abberation and to a lesser extent, I agree. The guy just has absolutely no consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 18, 2006 -> 12:13 PM) What was the point of that? He made a valid observation, you can't just take away outings when talking about a players consistency. Well how many of our starters besides Contreras would you say has been "consistent" this season? Garcia perhaps, but Buerhle, Garland and Vazquez have all had their bad outings so far this season, and those other 2 seem to get off scot free, Buerhle because he's proven, and Vazquez because everyone thinks he'll turn it around naturally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 17, 2006 -> 09:16 PM) Well how many of our starters besides Contreras would you say has been "consistent" this season? Garcia perhaps, but Buerhle, Garland and Vazquez have all had their bad outings so far this season, and those other 2 seem to get off scot free, Buerhle because he's proven, and Vazquez because everyone thinks he'll turn it aroudn naturally. Garland is the least proven of the 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 17, 2006 -> 09:16 PM) Vazquez because everyone thinks he'll turn it around naturally. Vazquez gets by because he has been better than Garland. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 17, 2006 -> 09:18 PM) Vazquez gets by because he has been better than Garland. Period. Vazquez has only had 2 bad outings and if you want to go even deeper he's really only had 2 bad innings. Start 1: 2 KC Start 2: 7 TOR Start 3: 0 KC Start 4: 2 SEA Start 5: 0 CLE Start 6: 2 KC Start 7: 7 MIN 2 f***ing shutouts already, simply awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 17, 2006 -> 09:18 PM) Vazquez gets by because he has been better than Garland. Period. Exactly. Garland had a f***ing 7.something ERA. He deserved all the s*** that was thrown at him, especially since he's making a good deal of money now. He pitched well tonight, nobody's debating that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Garland got us a win. He pitched well tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 17, 2006 -> 09:20 PM) Vazquez has only had 2 bad outings and if you want to go even deeper he's really only had 2 bad innings. Start 1: 2 KC Start 2: 7 TOR Start 3: 0 KC Start 4: 2 SEA Start 5: 0 CLE Start 6: 2 KC Start 7: 7 MIN 2 f***ing shutouts already, simply awesome. But one was against Kansas s***ty, so don't get too excited. It's not like they are a real MLB team or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 It's too early to tell how Garland's going to be this season. He hasn't been great this year, but his stuff looked crisp tonight. A lot of his bad pitches have been getting hit hard this year, which didn't happen last year during his great stretch. However, it's better to think short-term, and just be happy that he kept us close enough to win tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Haha, they showed that "dive" by Gomes in the opening montage of SportsCenter. What a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Exactly. Garland had a f***ing 7.something ERA. He deserved all the s*** that was thrown at him, especially since he's making a good deal of money now. He pitched well tonight, nobody's debating that. I don't think he deserved all the "s*** that was thrown at him." The guy was DOMINANT last postseason. We hadn't won a WS in about 99 years. Give the guy a break. If this is the start of something big, great. But look around baseball and you'll see a ton of starters that have been "inconsistent." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ May 17, 2006 -> 09:59 PM) I don't think he deserved all the "s*** that was thrown at him." The guy was DOMINANT last postseason. We hadn't won a WS in about 99 years. Give the guy a break. If this is the start of something big, great. But look around baseball and you'll see a ton of starters that have been "inconsistent." Just because the team hadn't won a world series in 88 years doesn't mean every f***er on that team gets a free pass for life. Garland was less than impressive in August and September of last year, he was great in the playoffs but he also came out sucking this year. A near Century of suckitude does not give Jonny boy a free pass to be bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Good game, took some time for our bats to heat up like they always do in Tampa but a win is a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Yay we beat the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Just because the team hadn't won a world series in 88 years doesn't mean every f***er on that team gets a free pass for life. Garland was less than impressive in August and September of last year, he was great in the playoffs but he also came out sucking this year. A near Century of suckitude does not give Jonny boy a free pass to be bad. I'm not talking about a free pass to be bad. The guy is 3-2 and yes he's been pretty s***ty, but not so s***ty as to not give him a break for a while. I think some people just hate Garland and always will. Not saying you are one of them, but he'll be Judy to some, forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ May 17, 2006 -> 10:10 PM) I'm not talking about a free pass to be bad. The guy is 3-2 and yes he's been pretty s***ty, but not so s***ty as to not give him a break for a while. I think some people just hate Garland and always will. Not saying you are one of them, but he'll be Judy to some, forever. August: G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA 6 6 1 4 0 0 0 37.2 47 24 20 6 10 21 4.78 1.51 .309 September: 5 5 1 2 0 1 1 37.0 33 16 16 7 10 24 3.89 1.16 .243 April/May: 7 7 2 2 0 0 0 44.0 60 33 33 8 10 19 6.75 1.59 .333 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total: 18 18 4 8 0 1 1 118.2 140 73 69 21 30 64 5.23 1.43 When exactly does his break end and we start worrying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 He's starting to look like the Garland of old again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 You don't start worrying in May is all I'm saying. He's 3-2. He's not an Elarton-like 0-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ May 17, 2006 -> 10:15 PM) You don't start worrying in May is all I'm saying. He's 3-2. He's not an Elarton-like 0-5. 3-2 is a team stat, his ERA is still over 6, that's what I'm looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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