Felix Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ May 17, 2006 -> 11:15 PM) You don't start worrying in May is all I'm saying. He's 3-2. He's not an Elarton-like 0-5. Record doesn't indicate how well a pitcher is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 (edited) Well, here's hoping we see more of what we saw tonight. Because he's not getting traded this season (and wouldn't even if he didn't have the no trade) and he's going to be getting the ball every fifth day. Edited May 18, 2006 by jphat007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I didn't see the game, but considering he didn't walk anybody and struck out five and gave up just six hits, it sounds like he did well. If he can build on this, he still can win a lot of games and his experience will be important come September and playoff time. Because of what he did in the postseason I am more apt to give him a break a few more weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 17, 2006 -> 10:17 PM) 3-2 is a team stat, his ERA is still over 6, that's what I'm looking at. Kalapse, you should have started this thread before the game if that's your complaint. By this statement, you wouldn't have been satisfied unless Garland had gone 8 only surendering 1. And even then his ERA is still above 5!! He had a bad start to the season. Therefore your "he's got an inflated ERA" argument will work as long as he throws normally. he has to throw a number of shutouts in a row before you finally put that on the shelf. Garland has shown the ability over his career to have influence over the balls in play. That is, most pitchers allow a fairly uniform .300 average on balls in play. They have no control over it. It often fluctuates year to year, but career marks will hover around .300. Entering this season, Garland had a career mark of .275. He has some influence on balls in play. His sinker/changeup combo yields a greater number of weak groundouts than the average pitcher. He got away from throwin those two pitches early this season. He entered tonight's game with a BABIP of .331. It's not going to stay that high. Garland's career high was about .284. As long as he continues to throw the sinker/change, like tonight, he will continue toward his career norm of .275 BABIP and his ERA will come down. That combined with his improved walk rate, will result in him being an above average pitcher, when all is said an done. or you could just go back to complaining about his high ERA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ May 17, 2006 -> 10:38 PM) Kalapse, you should have started this thread before the game if that's your complaint. By this statement, you wouldn't have been satisfied unless Garland had gone 8 only surendering 1. And even then his ERA is still above 5!! He had a bad start to the season. Therefore your "he's got an inflated ERA" argument will work as long as he throws normally. he has to throw a number of shutouts in a row before you finally put that on the shelf. Garland has shown the ability over his career to have influence over the balls in play. That is, most pitchers allow a fairly uniform .300 average on balls in play. They have no control over it. It often fluctuates year to year, but career marks will hover around .300. Entering this season, Garland had a career mark of .275. He has some influence on balls in play. His sinker/changeup combo yields a greater number of weak groundouts than the average pitcher. He got away from throwin those two pitches early this season. He entered tonight's game with a BABIP of .331. It's not going to stay that high. Garland's career high was about .284. As long as he continues to throw the sinker/change, like tonight, he will continue toward his career norm of .275 BABIP and his ERA will come down. That combined with his improved walk rate, will result in him being an above average pitcher, when all is said an done. or you could just go back to complaining about his high ERA. It's not just his ERA, honestly I just through that out there because it's high and was something that he really couldn't dispute. Garland has always been a pretty good pitcher except at the end of last season he began to falter and was not as effective as he was in the past. His poor pitching luckily did not carry over to the postseason but he was incredibly hittable in April of this season. My problem with Garland has nothing to do with stats, it has to do with him making bad pitches and getting hit like he never was in the past. In all likelyhood he will settle down and begin to pitch better but that doesn't mean that his poor pitching to start this season should be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 17, 2006 -> 11:11 PM) It's not just his ERA, honestly I just through that out there because it's high and was something that he really couldn't dispute. Garland has always been a pretty good pitcher except at the end of last season he began to falter and was not as effective as he was in the past. His poor pitching luckily did not carry over to the postseason but he was incredibly hittable in April of this season. My problem with Garland has nothing to do with stats, it has to do with him making bad pitches and getting hit like he never was in the past. In all likelyhood he will settle down and begin to pitch better but that doesn't mean that his poor pitching to start this season should be ignored. It doesn't mean he should get ripped by so called fans, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ May 18, 2006 -> 01:57 AM) It doesn't mean he should get ripped by so called fans, either. It wouldn't be Soxtalk otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 If we are ripping Jon, can we rip Buerhle too???? COnsidering what he has been doing the last month too???? Or does Buerhle get a free pass too because he finally came through in a big game that mattered in the post season last year??? PS - 3 seconds before aboz gets on here to defend his boy? :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3RDBASE Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I fooking love SOXTALK!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(3RDBASE @ May 18, 2006 -> 03:08 AM) I fooking love SOXTALK!!!!! That's good to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Garland said he pitched better because he hurt his knuckle and he had to throw his sinker slower so it worked more. I remember something similar last year? He did something to his hand or arm and that helped his sinker. Anyone remember what it was? Should we smack his fingers with a mallet or something before starts? He pitched a good game yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 These threads are great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 18, 2006 Author Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ May 18, 2006 -> 08:16 AM) These threads are great Winner Threads are great. Bickering like little girls is not so great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 18, 2006 -> 08:19 AM) Winner Threads are great. Bickering like little girls is not so great. Bickerling like little girls in winner threads...priceless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ May 17, 2006 -> 07:23 PM) Exactly. Garland had a f***ing 7.something ERA. He deserved all the s*** that was thrown at him, especially since he's making a good deal of money now. He pitched well tonight, nobody's debating that. ^^^ Good work last night, Jon. Build on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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