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I can't believe this guy was actually being consisdered to hit #2. The dude is showing absolutely no plate discipline whatsoever. When does he not swing at the first pitch? Anyway, that's not even my main beef right now. Juan has been VERY lackadaisical in the field of late. I'm just not talking about the moronic error that cost us the game today, either. If not for Konerko's solid defense at first base, Uribe would have about 4 or 5 more errors than he already has. If you're gonna hit .190-.200, you better damn well make the plays in the field. Say what you want about Anderson's bat, but his d has been sparkling. Ozzie needs to seriously get in Juan's face. Last year, we had no choice but to play Juan when he was stinking up the joint. But we've got a solid all-around player in Cintron now. Ozzie's message to Juan should basically be: get your s*** together, or your ass is gonna take a seat right next to Tim Raines on the bench.

 

Sorry, I'm not one to call out our players. But I seriously had to vent after the error today.

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He's sucked this season. His defense has been nowhere near as good as it was last year. He's one of the worst hitters in all of baseball. I don't even want to think what his numbers would be if not for that 2 homer game against the Twins.

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QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 21, 2006 -> 04:29 PM)
I was against him hitting #2 from the time it was first mentioned and its obvious that he's not capable of holding that slot. He really needs some work to get himself on track because right now he's a serious offensive liability.

 

I can accept .245-.250 from him if he's playing defense like he's capable. But to hit .200 with s***ty defense? Unacceptable.

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QUOTE(fathom @ May 21, 2006 -> 04:30 PM)
He's sucked this season. His defense has been nowhere near as good as it was last year. He's one of the worst hitters in all of baseball. I don't even want to think what his numbers would be if not for that 2 homer game against the Twins.

Sorry,

 

G: 34

AB: 121

R: 8

H: 23

2B: 4

3B: 1

HR: 1

RBI: 9

TB: 31

BB: 6

SO: 25

SB: 0

CS: 1

OBP: .224

SLG: .256

AVG: .190

OPS: .480

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QUOTE(Heads22 @ May 21, 2006 -> 04:36 PM)
The one thing about Anderson is he's not taking his bad atbats to the field. Uribe is.

 

That and Brian can draw a walk.

Anyone else grimace watching Mackowiak's full out dive for Barrett's hit? Anderson would have likely made the play. Or, at the least, come closer to making the play than Mack did.

 

Guillen has to be more willing to substitute Anderson in the field late in games when we're leading.

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QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ May 21, 2006 -> 09:51 PM)
He definitley needs to step it up because we all know he can swing the bat a lot better than that.

 

We do? With his current stance and approach, he's not going to hit for s***. As many on here always discuss, I have no clue why he went away from the leg kick. As of right now, he's just another guy who has numbers circa 2004 that he hasn't been close to matching since.

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QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ May 21, 2006 -> 04:51 PM)
Well Uribe had a very important play today that he had to make and always does. His offense should've been an issue even before that error. He definitley needs to step it up because we all know he can swing the bat a lot better than that.

 

His d has been shady all season. You're right, .200 is bad even with good defense. It just magnifies his offensive woes when he's not making the plays in the field.

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Were it not for Anderson's slow start, Uribe may have drawn more attention. At this point, Uribe is making me sick. I blame today's headache on him! Plain and simple, he is not a major league SS. Cintron is not better on D, but at least he is not walking back to the dugout after one pitch. Did he even get the ball out of the infield today? I would even feel more secure with Pablo at SS at this point. Uribe does not have many supporters. It is not as if he is a rookie or a little green. This is how Uribe has always been, he plays like they just plucked him out of the wild to play baseball. How long to Oswaldo Guillen feels the same way?

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QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ May 21, 2006 -> 09:55 PM)
His d has been shady all season. You're right, .200 is bad with or without bad defense. It just magnifies his offensive woes when he's not making the plays in the field.

 

And it's magnified even more when we're getting no production from our CF position either.

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QUOTE(fathom @ May 21, 2006 -> 04:53 PM)
We do? With his current stance and approach, he's not going to hit for s***. As many on here always discuss, I have no clue why he went away from the leg kick. As of right now, he's just another guy who has numbers circa 2004 that he hasn't been close to matching since.

Yes we do. Even if he does only show it in a small span of time he has shown it. He swings at s*** and I agree I have no f***ing clue why he tossed the leg kick when he was doing so well with it.

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QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 21, 2006 -> 02:33 PM)
Yeah. Uribe better shape up or he might be riding the pine here pretty soon.

 

I think being out of shape is his problem. Granted, his usual off season was cut short by almost a month by the playoffs. But he showed up out of shape to spring training and he's paying the price.

 

I'm a big Juan fan, but enough is enough.

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I think anyone who talks about Uribe "making bad plays" in the field is talking nonsense. I haven't seen much "s***ty" defense from him. I think you're talking out of your ass if you're talking about him making bad defensive plays. Uribe is with the White Sox because he has a cannon and makes Shortstop look easy.

 

I can recall several good plays he's made at the hole this year. Broken bat flying at him, anyone? I didn't get to watch past Contreras getting pulled today, so I can't attest for the whole game, but I can't quite recall Uribe making a poor defensive play this year, much less several. I do know that Crede bobbled a ball today -- maybe we should crucify him, too? Like Podsednik a few weeks ago, and as some of you would do to Anderson.

 

Uribe's bat is another story, but his defense is why he plays the games and Cintron sits on the bench.

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QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ May 21, 2006 -> 05:18 PM)
I think anyone who talks about Uribe "making bad plays" in the field is talking nonsense. I haven't seen much "s***ty" defense from him. I think you're talking out of your ass if you're talking about him making bad defensive plays. Uribe is with the White Sox because he has a cannon and makes Shortstop look easy.

 

I can recall several good plays he's made at the hole this year. Broken bat flying at him, anyone? I didn't get to watch past Contreras getting pulled today, so I can't attest for the whole game, but I can't quite recall Uribe making a poor defensive play this year, much less several. I do know that Crede bobbled a ball today -- maybe we should crucify him, too? Like Podsednik a few weeks ago, and as some of you would do to Anderson.

 

Uribe's bat is another story, but his defense is why he plays the games and Cintron sits on the bench.

 

His d has been average at best the last 3 weeks. He often makes a lot of lazy throws to first that Konerko has to scoop up. Yeah, he can still make the occasional spectacular play. But his d is not on par with last year.

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QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ May 21, 2006 -> 05:37 PM)
His d has been average at best the last 3 weeks. He often makes a lot of lazy throws to first that Konerko has to scoop up. Yeah, he can still make the occasional spectacular play. But his d is not on par with last year.

 

I think that's a faulty way of looking at it, and I'm not so sure it's fair to categorize his throws as "lazy," either. But to each his own, and if that's your opinion...

 

All I know is that, when the ball is in play, Uribe is the guy I trust most to get the out. Crede and Anderson next.

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QUOTE(sircaffey @ May 21, 2006 -> 05:48 PM)
Why has it taken so long for Uribe to realize he sucks? Baseball is a game of adjustments, right? I'm baffled as to why he hasn't at least tinkered with his offensive approach. Hideous approach...

 

 

Agreed. He still has that same "swing so hard I spin around and drill my way to China" approach to his offensive game. Would it kill ya, Juan, to shorten your swing up just a little bit?

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Today's game was just sadly predictable. When the foul pop out from Ramirez fell, I said that he would homer. When Uribe botched the extremely easy DP (and it was cake), I said we would blow the lead. It's just one of those days.

 

Uribe has to get his s*** together, though. He's one of my favorite players on the team and even I'm fed up with his garbage.

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