bogie Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 Word is he isn't close to being an option and probablt won't ever be. His fastball is a low 80's pitch and he isn't ever going to be the "good" Jeff Nelson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 Where did you get this 'word'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 QUOTE(bogie @ May 21, 2006 -> 05:57 PM) Word is he isn't close to being an option and probablt won't ever be. His fastball is a low 80's pitch and he isn't ever going to be the "good" Jeff Nelson. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 I have no idea if the info on the first post is true, but if it is I wouldn't be surprised. With teams always looking for bullpen help, if it was a pretty sure thing Nelson could be an effective reliever he probably wouldn't have been broadcasting in Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 Here comes all the bashers since he does not have a link..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 QUOTE(rangercal @ May 21, 2006 -> 06:22 PM) Here comes all the bashers since he does not have a link..... This isn't totally different or anything. :rolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 4 innings, 4 walks. Who knows. I expect him to get more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 Well, Nelson pitched one inning today. Gave up a hit, no walks, and two strikeouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 9 of his 12 pitches were strikes today, for what that's worth. He's almost 40 so I doubt he'll ever have the high 90's velocity again but the key is, can he get major league hitters out. Like, say, Michael Barrett in an 8th inning situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 I think Nelson was topping out at 87 last year, so it's not like it's a precipitous drop. That being said, I've heard the same thing. Nelson is far from the most impressive reliever in Charlotte. Which is saying something, considering how overmatched Mr. Montero has looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogie Posted May 22, 2006 Author Share Posted May 22, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ May 21, 2006 -> 11:58 PM) 9 of his 12 pitches were strikes today, for what that's worth. He's almost 40 so I doubt he'll ever have the high 90's velocity again but the key is, can he get major league hitters out. Like, say, Michael Barrett in an 8th inning situation. You mean say like a........ Bobby Jenks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Spencer Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Kenny Williams was supose to be in Charlotte this weekend. Maybe he was there to watch Jeff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Yeah, I can't see him holding up in the Majors this year, personally. I hope I'm wrong, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 (edited) I think that Nelson's strength is that sweping curve and his slider. A fastball at 85 to 90 to complement those pitches makes him tough when he has control and keeps the ball down. Edited May 22, 2006 by elrockinMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ May 21, 2006 -> 06:58 PM) 9 of his 12 pitches were strikes today, for what that's worth. He's almost 40 so I doubt he'll ever have the high 90's velocity again but the key is, can he get major league hitters out. Like, say, Michael Barrett in an 8th inning situation. Just one observation, and I don't know if anyone else thinks this or not... But if Brian Anderson is in CF, he makes that catch slowing down, and we get out of the inning... Mack took a Carl Everett route to the ball. He is awful in CF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 22, 2006 -> 07:52 AM) Just one observation, and I don't know if anyone else thinks this or not... But if Brian Anderson is in CF, he makes that catch slowing down, and we get out of the inning... Mack took a Carl Everett route to the ball. He is awful in CF. I was at the game, and was wondering if it would have made a difference. It seemed like maybe BA might have been able to make a play, but it was pretty hard to tell. Every swing Barrett took before the triple he seemed overmatched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 (edited) Just one observation, and I don't know if anyone else thinks this or not... But if Brian Anderson is in CF, he makes that catch slowing down, and we get out of the inning... Mack took a Carl Everett route to the ball. He is awful in CF. Yep, I was at the game and I'd have to agree. I think Anderson would have made that catch without a dive. It was the first thing I thought about afterwards. Bad defense and a sucky bullpen lost us the game yesterday. As far as Nelson goes, our bullpen is so brutal right now that I don't see a problem with giving him a shot. We would have won that game 4-2 last season. Edited May 22, 2006 by SSH2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 He is pitching fine so i will wait and see, i have heard these "source" crap before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 22, 2006 -> 05:52 AM) Just one observation, and I don't know if anyone else thinks this or not... But if Brian Anderson is in CF, he makes that catch slowing down, and we get out of the inning... Mack took a Carl Everett route to the ball. He is awful in CF. Maybe, maybe not. Then again, if Cotts had done his job, rather than let Barrett hit a triple into the gap, we wouldn't even be talking about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ May 22, 2006 -> 10:24 AM) Maybe, maybe not. Then again, if Cotts had done his job, rather than let Barrett hit a triple into the gap, we wouldn't even be talking about this. By doing his job, you mean something like getting a double play groundball to get out of the inning? Or get 4 outs in an inning if his D holds up at all? Neal did his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 22, 2006 -> 08:26 AM) By doing his job, you mean something like getting a double play groundball to get out of the inning? Or get 4 outs in an inning if his D holds up at all? Neal did his job. No he didn't. After the double-play-that-wasn't, they still had the lead with two outs with a runner on first. He then gave up a triple and two-run homer. Did his job, my ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ May 22, 2006 -> 10:29 AM) No he didn't. After the double-play-that-wasn't, they still had the lead with two outs with a runner on first. He then gave up a triple and two-run homer. Did his job, my ass. Neal's job isn't to turn double plays and catch balls in CF. Neal got 4 outs that inning. It isn't his fault the defense let him down. How many times does he have to get outs before "he does his job"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 22, 2006 -> 08:38 AM) Neal's job isn't to turn double plays and catch balls in CF. Neal got 4 outs that inning. It isn't his fault the defense let him down. How many times does he have to get outs before "he does his job"? So, I guess it's Josh Paul's fault that the Angels lost game 2 of the ALCS last year? I agree that the double play was doable, but it wasn't exactly routine. That probably why neither Uribe or Paulie were charged with an error. And the liner to the RCF gap would've been a tough play for Andruw Jones, so blaming Mack is a bit far-fetched. Neal's job is to shut the door with the lead, two outs, and a runner on first. Not only did he not hold onto the lead, but he lost the game after the tying triple. He didn't do his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndgt10 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 So, I guess it's Josh Paul's fault that the Angels lost game 2 of the ALCS last year? I agree that the double play was doable, but it wasn't exactly routine. That probably why neither Uribe or Paulie were charged with an error. And the liner to the RCF gap would've been a tough play for Andruw Jones, so blaming Mack is a bit far-fetched. Neal's job is to shut the door with the lead, two outs, and a runner on first. Not only did he not hold onto the lead, but he lost the game after the tying triple. He didn't do his job. The reason nobody received an error is because you never assume a double play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ May 22, 2006 -> 10:59 AM) So, I guess it's Josh Paul's fault that the Angels lost game 2 of the ALCS last year? I agree that the double play was doable, but it wasn't exactly routine. That probably why neither Uribe or Paulie were charged with an error. And the liner to the RCF gap would've been a tough play for Andruw Jones, so blaming Mack is a bit far-fetched. Neal's job is to shut the door with the lead, two outs, and a runner on first. Not only did he not hold onto the lead, but he lost the game after the tying triple. He didn't do his job. Uh, if Paul actually does his job, Escobar never faces Crede. Escobar got the out, Josh Paul screwed the play up. As for the play in the OF, it looked a lot more difficult than it was because Mackowiak took an awful route to the ball. I have seen Anderson make that play in his sleep. Also you might want to read up on how to score a baseball game. You cannot assume a double play, so you don't give an error to either player in that situation. It had nothing to do with if the play was routine or not, which that was about as taylor made of a DP as you'll see. Neal did his job, the defense didn't do theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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