SSH2005 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 He is a sinkerball pitcher who has given up a ton of dongs this year. What happens when the clock strikes June and we have these lovely 90 degree days at the cell. How is this going to work if he is giving up fly balls at a higher rate than ground balls. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ May 28, 2006 -> 02:03 PM) I disagree. Sinkerballers are supposed to induce groundballs, not deep flyouts. Are you watching the game? His stuff looked much better, he was jamming the hell out of hitters, pitching inside, he looked very good before that inning. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndgt10 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Are you watching the game? His stuff looked much better, he was jamming the hell out of hitters, pitching inside, he looked very good before that inning. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Agreed. Anybody who says this wasn't a strong outing by Garland is an obvious stat-head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 he was doing a better job of pitching inside. Jays hitters adjusted, moving off the plate. Jon didn't respond to those adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 28, 2006 -> 02:04 PM) Are you watching the game? His stuff looked much better, he was jamming the hell out of hitters, pitching inside, he looked very good before that inning. Numbers don't tell the whole story. The story I remember pre 2005. Is that Jon would look like a world beater, then the 5th inning would happen and then he would f***ing implode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 28, 2006 -> 02:01 PM) f*** those numbers, he was looking fantastic until that inning. Wasn't the one real bad inning his problem prior to last season? He has talent, and will pitch an occassional gem, and its possible he will have a year like last year again, but more likely he is was he is. A #4 or #5 starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox08 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 28, 2006 -> 02:04 PM) Are you watching the game? His stuff looked much better, he was jamming the hell out of hitters, pitching inside, he looked very good before that inning. Numbers don't tell the whole story. now this sounds better than just saying he is a ground ball pitcher. He was successful with what he was doing until the sixth inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 28, 2006 -> 02:04 PM) Are you watching the game? His stuff looked much better, he was jamming the hell out of hitters, pitching inside, he looked very good before that inning. Numbers don't tell the whole story. And of course it caught up to her and she got slapped around in the last inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 (edited) Are you watching the game? His stuff looked much better, he was jamming the hell out of hitters, pitching inside, he looked very good before that inning. Numbers don't tell the whole story. He gave up 6 hits, 2 walks, and 4 earned runs in 6 innings at 97 pitches. His ERA is now 6.11. Doesn't look like a good outing to me, especially since he wasn't getting any groundouts and he's a sinkerballer. Edited May 28, 2006 by SSH2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 QUOTE(Ndgt10 @ May 28, 2006 -> 02:05 PM) Agreed. Anybody who says this wasn't a strong outing by Garland is an obvious stat-head. Well I'm not saying it was a strong outing, cause he pulled his one big inning routine but overall he was better today, it's something to build on but still not acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 WTF AJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 And our offense answers right back after Garland blows it, and they score nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 ouch. we're giving Toronto the momentum. no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 28, 2006 -> 02:05 PM) The story I remember pre 2005. Is that Jon would look like a world beater, then the 5th inning would happen and then he would f***ing implode. In more ways than one he's back to his old Judyish self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Good job AJ, I guess you didn't see Dye get thrown out by the same fielder yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnhillegas Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Alex Rios is the best player in the American League right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 (edited) If Garland keeps pitching like this (i.e. no groundballs), he is going to get hammered at the Cell in 90+ degree weather just like SSI said. Edited May 28, 2006 by SSH2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 28, 2006 -> 02:05 PM) The story I remember pre 2005. Is that Jon would look like a world beater, then the 5th inning would happen and then he would f***ing implode. QUOTE(Dick Allen @ May 28, 2006 -> 02:05 PM) Wasn't the one real bad inning his problem prior to last season? He has talent, and will pitch an occassional gem, and its possible he will have a year like last year again, but more likely he is was he is. A #4 or #5 starter. Guys, I'm not saying this was a good outing because he did have that one bad inning but he looked real good before that inning, that's all I'm saying. I'm not defending this outing by any means but I was pretty excited watching him through the first 5 and then he imploded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Good call, Ozzie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Why the f*** is he still out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Some more for Garland to build on. Take him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndgt10 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 I don't understand why Ozzie insists on letting his starters go back out after having a very difficult previous inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ May 28, 2006 -> 02:05 PM) He gave up 6 hits, 2 walks, and 4 earned runs in 6 innings at 97 pitches. His ERA is now 6.11. Doesn't look like a good outing to me, especially since he wasn't getting any groundouts and he's a sinkerballer. You aren't grasping what I'm trying to say at all, so whatever, I'll just stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnhillegas Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 the cubs are worse than the royals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Does Ozzie ever pull a starter at the right time? Jesus Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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