sin city sox fan Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 I know its a lot to ask, but I think we have to continue being patient with BA. As many have stated, his glove far outweighs any additional offensive output which would be gained by Mack, Pablo, or any other option. Furthermore, many young players have a hard time adjusting to major league pitching when starting their careers. We need to look no further than Paul Konerko to see how tough the transition can be for even the best players. In 1997-98, he averaged just over .200 and hit only 7 HR's in 81 games. It wasn't until he arrived in Chicago for the 1999 season that he begun to reach his potential. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3747 I'm not saying that BA will ever become the player that PK is (wouldn't it be nice if does though!).....however, I can guarantee you that both the Dodgers and Reds are disappointed they didn't give this guy more of a chance. Let's at least give Brian 2 more months to come around since we don't appear to have any viable canidates for replacement either on the roster or in the minors. If Kenny Williams is able to perform some magic and steal an all star caliber center fielder in exchange for a polish sausage (or something similar), than by all means make the change. But don't do it just to give up on the kid and don't rush the move when any replacement you have will hurt the team defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 04:11 PM) He has been pretty bad of late, hell his batting average is down 25 points since May 28th and 42 points since May 15th. Meanwhile....Grady Sizemore continues to get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Tim Couch wrote a horrible article today in the Sun Times bashing Ozzie for "doing nothing" about the current slump. WTF is he supposed to do? The team wasn't constructed by Ozzie, but KW. Ozzie really has no good options for LF/CF right now. Everyone should be pulling for BA to get hot and get his line up to around 220/310/400. Otherwise, we're going to be seeing a lot more of Mack/Pods/Ozuna in CF, which makes me want to puke. None of those guys can play a lick of D out there, and with the way the pitching has been giving up fly balls, I shutter at the thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:23 AM) Tim Couch wrote a horrible article today in the Sun Times bashing Ozzie for "doing nothing" about the current slump. WTF is he supposed to do? The team wasn't constructed by Ozzie, but KW. Ozzie really has no good options for LF/CF right now. Everyone should be pulling for BA to get hot and get his line up to around 220/310/400. Otherwise, we're going to be seeing a lot more of Mack/Pods/Ozuna in CF, which makes me want to puke. None of those guys can play a lick of D out there, and with the way the pitching has been giving up fly balls, I shutter at the thought. He's supposed to kick the pitching staff in the ass. That's what he's supposed to do. This slump is due to the pitching staff, not due to Anderson. It'd be damn nice to see improvement from the pitching staff, but since game 1 against Toronto, our pitching staff has given up: 8, 3, 5, 0, 4, 5, 12, 4, 6, 10, and 3 runs. By my numbers, that works out to a "Runs per game average" (Not ERA) of 5.74. We give up 5.74 runs per game over 11 games, we go 4-7. It's pretty damn simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Have we tried Pods in CF this year? I agree that it doesn't seem like a good idea, but have we given it a shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:27 AM) Have we tried Pods in CF this year? I agree that it doesn't seem like a good idea, but have we given it a shot? No we haven't. We did quite a bit last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 04:28 PM) No we haven't. We did quite a bit last year. And that's when he got hurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 11:11 AM) He has been pretty bad of late, hell his batting average is down 25 points since May 28th and 42 points since May 15th. But one thing Pods IS doing this year better than last, even in his slump, is taking walks. At least, it appears that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:38 AM) And that's when he got hurt Playing CF? I didn't know they ID'd when he got hurt that specifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 11:38 AM) But one thing Pods IS doing this year better than last, even in his slump, is taking walks. At least, it appears that way. This is true, even with his recent struggles he's still kept a pretty high OBP, .360 as of right now which is very respectable especially cosidering just how low his batting average is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 04:48 PM) Playing CF? I didn't know they ID'd when he got hurt that specifically. I'm pretty sure that they said he hurt it on a play in center field. QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 04:49 PM) This is true, even with his recent struggles he's still kept a pretty high OBP, .360 as of right now which is very respectable especially cosidering just how low his batting average is. Yep....he's simply not swinging at the plate. Thus, he's either drawing walks, or striking out looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 (edited) I'll just finish with a prediction of what will go down: Anderson to AAA Mack starts in CF (plays there about 2/3 of games) Ozuna goes from 5th OF to 4th OF, gets more playing time (hot bat) When Mack sits, Pods plays CF, and Ozuna plays LF Ozuna also becomes backup 3B again Ozzie calls up yet another reliever from minors, probably Lopez Only question is when. I'll say with some confidence that, barring Anderson suddenly figuring it out, this will happen before the end of June. Probably in the next week or two. EDIT: This is short term. Later this year, look for a trade, or Sweeney in CF. Edited June 7, 2006 by NorthSideSox72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcullotta Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 11:56 AM) I'll just finish with a prediction of what will go down: Anderson to AAA My only question to all who say send Anderson down (which I agree with) is who do we bring up to take his roster spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(pcullotta @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 12:01 PM) My only question to all who say send Anderson down (which I agree with) is who do we bring up to take his roster spot? Javy Lopez. Or, if his CF play is reasonably, Sweeney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcullotta Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 12:18 PM) Javy Lopez. Or, if his CF play is reasonably, Sweeney. I think it would have to be an outfielder. If we sent down Anderson and brought up a pitcher, we would have only 2 natural outfielders on this team. I was just trying to illustrate my point that I don't see how anyone can be for sending Anderson down but against bringing Sweeney up to replace him. I don't see any other outfielder in our system that we would want to bring up. Edited June 7, 2006 by pcullotta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Bat BA against RHP, if he still doesnt improve, then send him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(pcullotta @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 12:24 PM) I think it would have to be an outfielder. If we sent down Anderson and brought up a pitcher, we would have only 2 natural outfielders on this team. I was just trying to illustrate my point that I don't see how anyone can be for sending Anderson down but against bringing Sweeney up to replace him. I don't see any other outfielder in our system that we would want to bring up. Meh, with Ozuna as a 4th OF and Gload 5th, the team would be fine. You don't really need 6 deep in the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 12:49 PM) Meh, with Ozuna as a 4th OF and Gload 5th, the team would be fine. You don't really need 6 deep in the OF. The only problem with that is Mack is only a corner OF, Ozuna is an infielder and Gload is a firstbaseman. That's an OF that's barely 3 deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 12:55 PM) The only problem with that is Mack is only a corner OF, Ozuna is an infielder and Gload is a firstbaseman. That's an OF that's barely 3 deep. I think the assumption here is that Mack can play CF (to some extent). Your OF depth chart would be: LF: Pods, Ozuna, Gload CF: Mack, Pods RF: Dye, Gload, Ozuna Not the prettiest defensive OF ever, but works in terms of depth. Or, if Sweeney is indeed capable... LF: Pods, Mack, Ozuna CF: Sweeney, Pods, Mack RF: Dye, Mack, Gload Or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 12:59 PM) Or, if Sweeney is indeed capable... LF: Pods, Mack, Ozuna CF: Sweeney, Pods, Mack RF: Dye, Mack, Gload Or something like that. I want to make sure I understand the theories being posted in this thread. People want to replace a rookie CF, who is great defensively but is unproven against major-league hitting with another rookie, who is new to playing CF and is also unproven against major-league hitting. Umm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry wiggins Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 01:02 PM) I want to make sure I understand the theories being posted in this thread. People want to replace a rookie CF, who is great defensively but is unproven against major-league hitting with another rookie, who is new to playing CF and is also unproven against major-league hitting. Umm Panic: defined by the late sportswriter Leonard Koppett as "the abandonment of percentage moves in the face of disaster." :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcullotta Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 01:02 PM) I want to make sure I understand the theories being posted in this thread. People want to replace a rookie CF, who is great defensively but is unproven against major-league hitting with another rookie, who is new to playing CF and is also unproven against major-league hitting. Umm That's actually not what I was trying to say. I just want to bring up an outfielder if we send one down. Sweeney doesn't have to be the starter in CF. It just doesn't seem smart to me to only have 2 real outfielders ( 3 if you count Mack) on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 01:02 PM) I want to make sure I understand the theories being posted in this thread. People want to replace a rookie CF, who is great defensively but is unproven against major-league hitting with another rookie, who is new to playing CF and is also unproven against major-league hitting. Umm You really think its that simple? Anderson has lost his mental strength. Look at him. His defense, once stellar, is now looking confused. He is hitting less than a lot of pitchers. He isn't just a struggling rookie - he is a MIGHTILY struggling rookie, who if he continues down this road, will no longer be helping his career by staying at the ML level. He needs to reset and restart at AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 01:05 PM) You really think its that simple? Anderson has lost his mental strength. Look at him. His defense, once stellar, is now looking confused. He is hitting less than a lot of pitchers. He isn't just a struggling rookie - he is a MIGHTILY struggling rookie, who if he continues down this road, will no longer be helping his career by staying at the ML level. He needs to reset and restart at AAA. He has a few bad plays in one inning of one game and now he looks confused in the OF? I totally disagree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 QUOTE(henry wiggins @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 01:04 PM) Panic: defined by the late sportswriter Leonard Koppett as "the abandonment of percentage moves in the face of disaster." :headshake For those who were screaming for his head two weeks into the season, I'd agree that was panic. But here in mid-June, saying he may need to be sent down soon if he can't stay above .150, is pretty reasonable if you ask me. QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 01:06 PM) He has a few bad plays in one inning of one game and now he looks confused in the OF? I totally disagree with that. I should have added the word "LATELY". Sorry. And its a few games, not one inning. But he was certainly looking quite good until late May or so (I missed the games the last week of May, though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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