Hello Mr. Anderson

[whitesoxfan101]

With the exception of Crede and A.J., everybody's numbers at the plate have rounded off to their typical splits overall this year (other than Juan, who is WAY down), so hopefully the lineup stabilizes a bit and we can excute when we get chances, unlike today.

[Dick Allen]

Bringing in another gas can from Charlotte, and having Mackowiak misplay balls in CF would be defeating the purpose IMO. If they replace Anderson with a pitcher and leave the rest of the roster the same, the OF defense will be weak.

[whitesoxfan101]

Well other than Miguel Cabrera on the 2003 Marlins (who wasn't even called up until late June, and had to play since he was hitting from the day he got up), what recent World Champion had a prominent contributing everyday player that was a rookie?

 

(And no, I don't count Iguchi as a rookie, those years in Japan meant something).

Edited May 28, 2006 by whitesoxfan101

[SoxAce]

Over the course of Ozzie's 3 years here in Chicago how many rookie position playes has he had on his roster? Brian Anderson and Pedro Lopez are the only ones I can think of.

 

How many position players were even ready for the show? Lopez was hitting like .100+ in AAA and Ozzie saw him in spring training when he was raking. Ozzie liked what he saw and send him up. What does he do? He gets 2 hits and drove in a run. Don't ever bring up Ozzie and Dusty's managerial tastics in the same discussion... EVER!!!

[Dick Allen]

Doesn't anyone think its strange that Anderson is now on the hot seat after his manager is pissed off after a game where part of the reason for the loss was the defensive play of his replacement.

[BigSqwert]

Don't ever bring up Ozzie and Dusty's managerial tastics in the same discussion... EVER!!!

I find it funny that after a 2 game losing streak Ozzie throws a rant while Dusty continues to sit in that dugout chewing on a toothpick.

[Dick Allen]

How many position players were even ready for the show? Lopez was hitting like .100+ in AAA and Ozzie saw him in spring training when he was raking. Ozzie liked what he saw and send him up. What does he do? He gets 2 hits and drove in a run. Don't ever bring up Ozzie and Dusty's managerial tastics in the same discussion... EVER!!!

As far as I'm concerned, there is nobody on the Charlotte Knights I want to see in a White Sox uniform this season.

[Kalapse]

Well other than Miguel Cabrera on the 2003 Marlins (who wasn't even called up until late June, and had to play since he was hitting from the day he got up), what recent World Champion had a prominent contributing everyday player that was a rookie?

 

(And no, I don't count Iguchi as a rookie, those years in Japan meant something).

Well, you really answered your own question. Miguel Cabrera did have 318 ABs that season and played all of the playoffs and played a huge park in the WS (HR off Clemens). Other than him all I can think of is the '95 Braves and Chipper Jones.

[Gregory Pratt]

Keep Anderson aboard.

 

And stop playing Mack so much at Center. He's cost us two games this week with his weak D.

[Heads22]

Brian Anderson and Pedro Lopez are the only ones I can think of.

 

 

That was a heck of a week.

[Kalapse]

Oh yeah, also the '93 Blue Jays had Ed Sprague start as a rookie.

 

That was a heck of a week.

Well, he did play a part in nearly killing Greg Zaun.

[whitesoxfan101]

Well, you really answered your own question. Miguel Cabrera did have 318 ABs that season and played all of the playoffs and played a huge park in the WS (HR off Clemens). Other than him all I can think of is the '95 Braves and Chipper Jones.

 

True. I think Cabrera also hit one onto the street off Carrie during game 7 at Wrigley. Good times indeed.

 

EDIT: Sprague was a rookie in '93? Man I thought he was older than that.

Edited May 28, 2006 by whitesoxfan101

[Heads22]

Oh yeah, also the '93 Blue Jays had Ed Sprague start as a rookie.

Well, he did play a part in nearly killing Greg Zaun.

 

He got a couple of hits and didn't completely suck in the field. That'd be better than Juan right now.

[Rowand44]

I've barely read this thread but if Anderson is getting sent down then Kenny better be on the phones making a trade for a cf. This team can win a world series with BA in cf but they can't and wont with Mack out there.

 

I won't be happy if this is true.

[SoxAce]

I won't be happy if this is true.

 

You better keep working out then to help with the anger..

[Kalapse]

EDIT: Sprague was a rookie in '93? Man I thought he was older than that.

Well, he did retire at the ripe old age of 33.

[Friend of Nordhagen]

Well, he did retire at the ripe old age of 33.

 

Gang, I said it in the game thread (which was split into the CF thread), and I'll say it here. Kenny Williams is going to be looking at other solutions in centerfield, and some of them will be lower cost, like . . . ahem . . . Erstad, Pierre and Finley. They're "middle" solutions -- in a walk year, don't cost a ton, can hit enough to justify hitting 8th or 9th, and will catch the ball (even if, as in the case of Pierre, they can't throw the damn thing) until the 7th inning. And that's when Brian Anderson will be in the game.

 

And, by the way, for those who doubt that Erstad possibility, remember two things: Gload's on this roster because he can play first base. So can Erstad. In that scenario, Anderson stays here and can play any outfield position as a back-up. And second, Ken Williams loves the guy (Erstad). Always has. And when Kenny loves you -- when he thinks you're a grinder -- Kenny loves you forever. And he'll do what he can to make you a member of the Chicago White Sox.

[Rowand44]

You better keep working out then to help with the anger..

LOL

[Kalapse]

Gang, I said it in the game thread (which was split into the CF thread), and I'll say it here. Kenny Williams is going to be looking at other solutions in centerfield, and some of them will be lower cost, like . . . ahem . . . Erstad, Pierre and Finley. They're "middle" solutions -- in a walk year, don't cost a ton, can hit enough to justify hitting 8th or 9th, and will catch the ball (even if, as in the case of Pierre, they can't throw the damn thing) until the 7th inning. And that's when Brian Anderson will be in the game.

 

And, by the way, for those who doubt that Erstad possibility, remember two things: Gload's on this roster because he can play first base. So can Erstad. In that scenario, Anderson stays here and can play any outfield position as a back-up. And second, Ken Williams loves the guy (Erstad). Always has. And when Kenny loves you -- when he thinks you're a grinder -- Kenny loves you forever. And he'll do what he can to make you a member of the Chicago White Sox.

Please, please, please stop bringing up those horrible players. Give me Anderson's superb defense over any kind of lackluster offense those guys will bring you. Erstad is NOT I repeat NOT a possibility, I mean the guy is currently on the DL and has been for a f***ing month, hell he might just retire instead of even bothering with a comback. OLD, EXPENSIVE, INJURED and BAD is not the type of player the Sox will be looking at to replace their 23 year old, 300K, healthy rookie who plays gold glove caliber defense.

 

If Steve Finley is so damn good then why exactly would the Giants be trading him here? They're still very much in the thick of things and probably will be all year long, makes no damn sense.

 

As for Pierre, his defense alone is bad enough to end the conversation right there. Don't mention the fact that BA currently has a higher OBP than he does, hell Brian leads him in every damn stat category except batting average, runs and stolen bases.

 

Brian currently has 104 ABs this year, why don't we actually give him a chance before acquiring some s*** CF to replace him? His defense alone makes the team better, he has played a large part in keeping the pitchers ERAs down and he should be given a bit more of a chance because of it.

[DBAHO]

Gang, I said it in the game thread (which was split into the CF thread), and I'll say it here. Kenny Williams is going to be looking at other solutions in centerfield, and some of them will be lower cost, like . . . ahem . . . Erstad, Pierre and Finley. They're "middle" solutions -- in a walk year, don't cost a ton, can hit enough to justify hitting 8th or 9th, and will catch the ball (even if, as in the case of Pierre, they can't throw the damn thing) until the 7th inning. And that's when Brian Anderson will be in the game.

 

And, by the way, for those who doubt that Erstad possibility, remember two things: Gload's on this roster because he can play first base. So can Erstad. In that scenario, Anderson stays here and can play any outfield position as a back-up. And second, Ken Williams loves the guy (Erstad). Always has. And when Kenny loves you -- when he thinks you're a grinder -- Kenny loves you forever. And he'll do what he can to make you a member of the Chicago White Sox.

Do you really want a guy who makes $8,750,000 and only has a .629 OPS on this team? Erstad's OPS is .279 and he's hitting .238. Anderson's OBP is .270 and he's only hitting .163. Which shows that if Anderson could actually hit, that OBP would get above .300 and would be better than Darin Erstad's.

 

Erstad's a huge injury risk, and you wouldn't be guaranteed of him suting up every game for you. He's only had 1 season in the last 5 with an OPS above .703. There are better options than Erstad out there. If you need a 1st baseman while Gload's not on the roster, you've got Mack or even someone like Dye or Cintron could probably handle the situation.

 

I would rather trade Ross Gload for a Corey Hart or Chris Denoforia (.955 OPS in AA 2005, and .896 OPS in AAA 2005) type of player, who is much cheaper, and gives you another option in the OF, and could probably produce adequately enough if given the chance at the major league level.

[nitetrain8601]

I'm sure this has been said, but Anderson's defense is toooo vital to the team, especially the pitcher's. As long as he stays above .150, keep him on at least as a defensive replacement. Mack gets horrible jumps and runs bad routes on balls and no one else on this team is a legit ML CF.

[Friend of Nordhagen]

Gentlemen, gentlemen . . .

 

So much hatred of these fine young men who patrolling centerfield throughout baseball.

 

Kalapse, my man, I've said it: if Anderson hits .210, he's my guy. And I'm willing to give him more time, too. But by the middle of July, if our friend from Tucson is hitting .165, he cannot -- and will not -- be this team's centerfielder. I love the guy, okay? I think he's going to be a good player. But that's not going to cut it. Not for me and not for Kenneth Williams.

 

So, here we go. Who's your centerfielder for our 2006 World Series team? Name a guy.

 

If you're all down on Erstad -- and believe me, I understand why -- please note that he won't be making $9 million for the Chicago American League ball club. He'll make 1/3 of that, at most -- because he'll be here for about 2 months. And that's assuming that we pay all of his salary.

 

But, please, please, please, don't give me this garbage about how these aren't the guys -- because if it's not Brian Anderson, whoever it is is not on this roster right now. And he's not in Charlotte, North Carolina either.

 

And -- regarding Finley -- all I ever said about Finley is that he was a guy to watch. The Giants may stay in it. They may not. They were under .500 for a lot of this season so far and got hot. I have no idea how that division will shake out. So, why don't we just see where we are in a bit, eh?

[nitetrain8601]

Gentlemen, gentlemen . . .

 

So much hatred of these fine young men who patrolling centerfield throughout baseball.

 

Kalapse, my man, I've said it: if Anderson hits .210, he's my guy. And I'm willing to give him more time, too. But by the middle of July, if our friend from Tucson is hitting .165, he cannot -- and will not -- be this team's centerfielder. I love the guy, okay? I think he's going to be a good player. But that's not going to cut it. Not for me and not for Kenneth Williams.

 

So, here we go. Who's your centerfielder for our 2006 World Series team? Name a guy.

 

If you're all down on Erstad -- and believe me, I understand why -- please note that he won't be making $9 million for the Chicago American League ball club. He'll make 1/3 of that, at most -- because he'll be here for about 2 months. And that's assuming that we pay all of his salary.

 

But, please, please, please, don't give me this garbage about how these aren't the guys -- because if it's not Brian Anderson, whoever it is is not on this roster right now. And he's not in Charlotte, North Carolina either.

 

Well Erstad is brutal from what I heard. Defensively, he's no more than mediocre after all those injury bugs in CF. Offensively, he's below average from what Angel fans are saying as well. I look at his numbers and they scream, "blah". I don't mind finding an outside answer, but Erstad and Finley definately ain't it.

[Friend of Nordhagen]

Well Erstad is brutal from what I heard. Defensively, he's no more than mediocre after all those injury bugs in CF. Offensively, he's below average from what Angel fans are saying as well. I look at his numbers and they scream, "blah". I don't mind finding an outside answer, but Erstad and Finley definately ain't it.

 

These are, admittedly, lower priced answers. They won't cost a ton. If we want something more, we give up something more. If we're ready to give up Josh Fields and Charlie Haeger and Tyler Lumsden, well that's another way to go, too.

[Kalapse]

Gentlemen, gentlemen . . .

 

So much hatred of these fine young men who patrolling centerfield throughout baseball.

 

Kalapse, my man, I've said it: if Anderson hits .210, he's my guy. And I'm willing to give him more time, too. But by the middle of July, if our friend from Tucson is hitting .165, he cannot -- and will not -- be this team's centerfielder. I love the guy, okay? I think he's going to be a good player. But that's not going to cut it. Not for me and not for Kenneth Williams.

 

So, here we go. Who's your centerfielder for our 2006 World Series team? Name a guy.

 

If you're all down on Erstad -- and believe me, I understand why -- please note that he won't be making $9 million for the Chicago American League ball club. He'll make 1/3 of that, at most -- because he'll be here for about 2 months. And that's assuming that we pay all of his salary.

 

But, please, please, please, don't give me this garbage about how these aren't the guys -- because if it's not Brian Anderson, whoever it is is not on this roster right now. And he's not in Charlotte, North Carolina either.

 

And -- regarding Finley -- all I ever said about Finley is that he was a guy to watch. The Giants may stay in it. They may not. They were under .500 for a lot of this season so far and got hot. I have no idea how that division will shake out. So, why don't we just see where we are in a bit, eh?

I'd rather see Jerry Owens or Rob Mackowiak out there everyday in CF before Darin Erstad. That's right, Jerry Owens, the guy isn't even a CF and I'd take him over Erstad.

 

I'm giving Brian Anderson 200 ABs before I replace him. By that time the market for CF will have revealed itself for what it is and we'll have a legitimate idea of who's out there and available for trade. .It's still too early right now to be looking at possible trades