Kalapse Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 So McCarthy then. So I guess Carl Crawford will not be patrolling CF for the White Sox anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 8, 2006 -> 09:41 AM) So McCarthy then. So I guess Carl Crawford will not be patrolling CF for the White Sox anytime soon. Ervin Santana > McCarthy, and the Angels would be crazy to make that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Big Hurtin @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 01:56 PM) Ervin Santana > McCarthy, and the Angels would be crazy to make that deal. Yeah they would. They should ship Jeff Weaver and Adam Kennedy out to Toronto and get some uber prospects back. That way, when Colon comes back Jered Weaver can stay in the rotation, and Howie Kendrick can start at 2B, because he's obviously ready at AAA. Stuff wise Santana is definitely better than B-Mac, but he hasn't really had the same kind of success at B-Mac did in the 2nd half of 2005. It's an interesting comparison especially when we've been having a lot of discussions over the past few days about drafting pitching prospects with not "electric" stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 8, 2006 -> 11:49 PM) Yeah they would. They should ship Jeff Weaver and Adam Kennedy out to Toronto and get some uber prospects back. That way, when Colon comes back Jered Weaver can stay in the rotation, and Howie Kendrick can start at 2B, because he's obviously ready at AAA. Stuff wise Santana is definitely better than B-Mac, but he hasn't really had the same kind of success at B-Mac did in the 2nd half of 2005. It's an interesting comparison especially when we've been having a lot of discussions over the past few days about drafting pitching prospects with not "electric" stuff. Anaheim isn't confident enough yet in the ability of Bartolo to stay healthy to deal Jeff Weaver. He'll wind up in the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 From FoxSports: Everybody wants Carl The Devil Rays won't be inclined to trade left fielder Carl Crawford unless they receive a killer offer, but that day might not be far off. The Angels, Dodgers, Cardinals, White Sox and Rockies are among the clubs that view Crawford as a terrific fit. The Rockies, a team that could offer the Devil Rays a combination of corner infielders and power arms, would want Crawford to move to center, a position he has played sparingly in the majors. The White Sox probably would prefer Crawford in center as well. Angels right-hander Ervin Santana for Crawford? The Rays likely would balk; a star position player contributes more than a star pitcher. Santana, while gifted, must demonstrate consistency over a full season. Story According to this Santana wouldn't be enough, which means BMac wouldn't come close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(G&T @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 02:40 PM) According to this Santana wouldn't be enough, which means BMac wouldn't come close. I missed the part where Ervin Santana>Brandon McCarthy. That said, I doubt McCarthy would be traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 03:08 PM) I missed the part where Ervin Santana>Brandon McCarthy. That said, I doubt McCarthy would be traded. I missed the part where BMac was an All-Star pitcher. The fact is the Rays won't just take an unproven pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerB's Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Picking up Carl Crawford would be the greatest deal Kenny Williams would ever make. The guy is 24 years old and could be the staple of White Sox baseball for many years to come. To say that you wouldnt trade BMac and some other specs for Crawford is down right laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 McCarthy >>> Santana (Earvin not Johan). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 04:14 PM) Picking up Carl Crawford would be the greatest deal Kenny Williams would ever make. The guy is 24 years old and could be the staple of White Sox baseball for many years to come. To say that you wouldnt trade BMac and some other specs for Crawford is down right laughable. Or it's a matter of opinion, trading McCarthy (only righty setup man in the pen right now) + prospect (could be used to add pieces) for Carl Crawford in order to fill a position that is not the most pressing need of this ballclub while further weakening the most pressing need (bullpen) is just down right laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 04:18 PM) Or it's a matter of opinion, trading McCarthy (only righty setup man in the pen right now) + prospect (could be used to add pieces) for Carl Crawford in order to fill a position that is not the most pressing need of this ballclub while further weakening the most pressing need (bullpen) is just down right laughable. It also could create a hole in the fifth starting spot for next year. I doubt Garland will be back. Edited June 9, 2006 by G&T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 02:18 PM) Or it's a matter of opinion, trading McCarthy (only righty setup man in the pen right now) + prospect (could be used to add pieces) for Carl Crawford in order to fill a position that is not the most pressing need of this ballclub while further weakening the most pressing need (bullpen) is just down right laughable. No doubt I completely agree with you that helping this pen is >>>>>> than doing anything with CF or SS. Ozzie is just ruining things by not starting BA out in CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(G&T @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 04:20 PM) It also could create a hole in the fifth starting spot for next year. I doubt Garland will be back. Exactly, McCarthy is so ridiculously important to the success of the '06 and future Sox teams that it's not even funny. He's the 6th starter and one of the best out of very few good arms out of the pen plus he'll be in the rotation next year more than likely. Moving him for a position that the Sox are strong at in the Minors (OF) would be a huge mistake and would create a ton of wholes in the current and future teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(G&T @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 04:07 PM) I missed the part where BMac was an All-Star pitcher. I missed the part where Ervin Santana was. As Jason said McCarthy>>>E. Santana. Anyway, it looks like the article said the Rays wanted corner IF and power arms. Fields + Lumpy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 02:31 PM) I missed the part where Ervin Santana was. As Jason said McCarthy>>>E. Santana. Anyway, it looks like the article said the Rays wanted corner IF and power arms. Fields + Lumpy? That plus a guy like Valido or Wes Whisler (ie a player thats faded a bit but still has potential) would be a deal the Drays would have to listen to. I think Fields, Lumpy, Broadway, Sweeney all have a lot of value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Just throwing something out there, but if we dealt for Carl Crawford I really think it could mean the end for Scott Podsednik (at least after this year). We could use Crawford at the top of the order and get rid of our hideous defensive left fielder and replace him with someone like Josh Fields, Ryan Sweeney or move Crawford back to left (if we still held onto Anderson). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(G&T @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 04:20 PM) It also could create a hole in the fifth starting spot for next year. I doubt Garland will be back. I'm pretty sure Garland wouldn't be dealt if McCarthy was traded. Therefore, how would McCarthy being traded be relevant? Edited June 11, 2006 by nitetrain8601 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 Seen this on MLBtraderumors.com...so TIFWIW of course. D-Rays Shopping Crawford Back on December 5th, a source close to Tampa Bay's scouting department threw out the idea that Carl Crawford could be dealt. In particular, the Devil Rays had interest in 23 year-old righthander Ervin Santana. Despite new management since then, the rumor has picked up steam. My source tells me that talks have resumed between the Devil Rays and Angels and the Halos may even consider adding a second prospect with Santana to acquire Crawford. Brandon Wood is a possibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 That seems like a pretty high price... Then again, that is from MLBTradeRumors.com. The next time they break a significant story will be the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 Wood would not go in that deal. Hell, I remember them not wanting to give up Wood for Manny Ramirez. I don't see why they would give him up for a lesser player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jun 10, 2006 -> 11:35 PM) Wood would not go in that deal. Hell, I remember them not wanting to give up Wood for Manny Ramirez. I don't see why they would give him up for a lesser player. That $15 million difference between Manny and Crawford's yearly salary might have something to do with it. That and the fact that Wood has struggled a little bit with his batting average at AA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 04:46 PM) That $15 million difference between Manny and Crawford's yearly salary might have something to do with it. That and the fact that Wood has struggled a little bit with his batting average at AA. Not to mention the 10 year age difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 First off, the Angels aren't trading Brandon Wood, especially not for Carl Crawford. Second, whoever said Wood is struggling, he's got 14 HR's in AA and a .288 avg. with a .365 OBP and a .567 slugging percentage (over .900 OPS). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 12, 2006 -> 07:54 PM) Second, whoever said Wood is struggling, he's got 14 HR's in AA and a .288 avg. with a .365 OBP and a .567 slugging percentage (over .900 OPS). That sure sounds like struggling to me... So really, there's not a prayer of the Angels giving up this package, what with their affinity for prospects, and their "ballless GM" (stolen from the man quoted above), right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Jun 12, 2006 -> 06:43 PM) That sure sounds like struggling to me... So really, there's not a prayer of the Angels giving up this package, what with their affinity for prospects, and their "ballless GM" (stolen from the man quoted above), right? Exactly and it would be assinine to give up Wood and Santana for Crawford. The Angels need O, but they need a big time run producer in the middle of that order. Dallas McPherson, Kendry Morales and Mike Napoli are all keepers and Brandon Wood is probably one as well. That system is loaded, the Angels may just be best suited losing this year. They have a strong fan base and if Morales keeps developing, McPherson stays healthy (he's starting to mash) and Napoli gains more experience they will be much improved offensively next year. If they can go out and get themselves a top notch CF (even if that guy is Hunter) and get Colon healthy and make an upgrade somewhere else (maybe getting rid of GA and replacing him with a better left fielder) and they could really be in business. Hell a guy like Carlos Lee could really be a great fit. Kochman and a few other guys will be available though, but the Angles would be dumb to deal any of the 3 youngsters I mentioned above. Oh and I think teams would be highly interested in Mathis. The other reason I wouldn't be against a rebuilding movement (for a short term period; ie this year) is because the Angels would have to do a whole lot to turn into a world series caliber team. Even if they snuck in they wouldn't go anywhere, so they are best off missing out on the playoffs this year, getting those guys developed, and than jumping back out there next year (Weaver comes off the books, the younger bro should be set to be a starter and the rotation should be better, especially since they will at least know whats going on with Colon). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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