southsideirish71 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2006 -> 10:32 PM) Yep...we need a brand new center fielder. I will take a brand new bullpen over a brand new CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2006 -> 11:32 PM) Yep...we need a brand new center fielder. Who? I can't stand that people say that, yet they never bring a name, a realistic name to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Another new CF thread, great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 03:33 AM) Who? I can't stand that people say that, yet they never bring a name, a realistic name to the table. Since we don't know who's available, it's impossible to predict. Everyone says guys like Crawford or Hunter, but that's not realistic. All I know is that we're losing quite a few games due to the lack of an all-around CF, and something has to be done about it. Not only that, but we're having to use Mackowiak all wrong. He's not even a CF....he's always been more of a corner outfielder or 3rd baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 4 walks, three of them scored for Texas. There are all sorts of things to blame and in a way, everyone is right no matter where they point the finger. The one constant in all four of these losses is this ... the opposition executed on offense and defense, the White Sox have let down at key times. And when I say let down, I mean offensively, defensively, execution, managerial decisions ... everything. Everything is off kilter at the moment, and I sense tonite's loss is really eating KW up. And I mean REALLY eating him up. Personally, among other things, I think they (KW and Guillen) are questioning whether McCarthy is a fit for the bullpen, and the need for another sparkplug player off the bench. Melton on the post game saying it's another game of missed opportunities for the White Sox, and he is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 The funny thing is that everyone's going to blame Mackowiak's defense for the loss tonight, but the turning point of the game was Pods running like my grandmother on Young's double, and letting GM Jr. score. Of course, Ozzie was begging for GM Jr. to be stealing on that pitch as soon as he brought in Nelson. QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 03:37 AM) Everything thats wrong with the team was in tonights game. -Bullpen cant hold a lead. -Our CF platoon is causing huge issues. -We can't get the big hit -Leaving lots of runners on base I would add in: lack of ability to foul off tough 0-2 pitches. We've been striking out looking at an absolutely alarming rate. Kinsler battled his ass off in the 9th inning, and ended up winning the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfan78 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Last year, I was very confident giving the bullpen a one run lead. This year, I wonder how the bullpen is gonna lose another game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxHawk1980 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Anderson can't hit worth s***. Mackowiak can't field worth s***. Between them we have a CF platoon that plays like s***. While this isn't the biggest problem on this team, the people who pretend that everything is fine (or acceptable) in CF are whistling through the graveyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2006 -> 10:39 PM) The funny thing is that everyone's going to blame Mackowiak's defense for the loss tonight, but the turning point of the game was Pods running like my grandmother on Young's double, and letting GM Jr. score. Of course, Ozzie was begging for GM Jr. to be stealing on that pitch as soon as he brought in Nelson. I would add in: lack of ability to foul off tough 0-2 pitches. We've been striking out looking at an absolutely alarming rate. Kinsler battled his ass off in the 9th inning, and ended up winning the game. Our hitters dont swing at the low and away pitch because its not the nice center cut fastball down the middle they can pull for a homer. Oddly when we sit outside all night long with our pitchers, the opposing teams catch on and drive the ball into right. See the Buerhle inning the other night for that approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Well.. our "future center fielder" Gary Matthews Jr. was 2-4 today with a GW rbi, surprised noone brought up his name yet... :rolly BA is here right now, he is our future stud, let's put this to rest please.. I'd rather talk about something that's worth talking about (I.E. Bullpen, Uribe, Garland, Pods semi-slump) then talking about something that were not losing ballgames after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 04:06 AM) Well.. our "future center fielder" Gary Matthews Jr. was 2-4 today with a GW rbi, surprised noone brought up his name yet... :rolly BA is here right now, he is our future stud, let's put this to rest please.. I'd rather talk about something that's worth talking about (I.E. Bullpen, Uribe, Garland, Pods semi-slump) then talking about something that were not losing ballgames after. Anderson has done nothing to show he's going to be a future stud. We're not exactly talking about someone who dominated in the minors last year. There were many people concerned with his K totals and his swing. And BTW, it's not just soxtalk b****ing about Anderson. There's been numerous articles in the paper about it, including the one last wknd saying he might get sent down. He's not the specific reason we're losing games, but his struggles aren't helping at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2006 -> 11:09 PM) Anderson has done nothing to show he's going to be a future stud. We're not exactly talking about someone who dominated in the minors last year. I'm still debating to myself if I should reply to this. EDIT: Just typed a good paragraph and copied it, just in case you have anything else to say about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 He's going to go 3 for 4 tomorrow, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 04:19 AM) I'm still debating to myself if I should reply to this. EDIT: Just typed a good paragraph and copied it, just in case you have anything else to say about this. Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 So seriously, what the f*** does Greg Walker get paid for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Brian Anderson is a center fielder.....Rob Mackowiak is better suited for left or right field. Pablo Ozuna in centerfield is almost as scary as when we thought about putting Jose Valentin in centerfield. Everyone here b****es about the lack of production from Anderson, what about Uribe? He's barely batting over .200, Anderson is a god damn rookie, Uribe is a veteran, yet no one ever points the finger at him. I would rather have a STRONG bullpen and a centerfielder that hits .170 and plays solid defense, than a centerfielder that hits .300 and a bullpen (like we have now) that coughs up the lead everytime. It's simple guys, we didn't get to the post-season last year because of our offense, we got there because of our DEFENSE and our PITCHING. Both of those components are missing, especially when Anderson isn't out there, and especially for whatever reason our relievers getting lit up. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 01:49 AM) So seriously, what the f*** does Greg Walker get paid for? For Uribe to ignore him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 2, 2006 -> 10:36 PM) 4 walks, three of them scored for Texas. There are all sorts of things to blame and in a way, everyone is right no matter where they point the finger. The one constant in all four of these losses is this ... the opposition executed on offense and defense, the White Sox have let down at key times. And when I say let down, I mean offensively, defensively, execution, managerial decisions ... everything. Everything is off kilter at the moment, and I sense tonite's loss is really eating KW up. And I mean REALLY eating him up. Personally, among other things, I think they (KW and Guillen) are questioning whether McCarthy is a fit for the bullpen, and the need for another sparkplug player off the bench. Melton on the post game saying it's another game of missed opportunities for the White Sox, and he is right. LOL, what makes your spider senses tingle, JimH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Let's try a new option. DH for BA. The pitchers can't be that much worse can they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Jun 2, 2006 -> 10:42 PM) Anderson can't hit worth s***. Mackowiak can't field worth s***. Between them we have a CF platoon that plays like s***. While this isn't the biggest problem on this team, the people who pretend that everything is fine (or acceptable) in CF are whistling through the graveyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 We don't have any in-house options. Its Brian Anderson with ocassional doses of Rob Mack or at least thats what it should be (unless we want to stick BA in AAA for about a month and just let Mack play every day, but our defense will seriously suffer and thats not a good thing for a team thats built on pitching). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Dixie Normus Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 4, 2006 -> 11:46 AM) I don't think anyone would deny that but IMO the best option is to play BA and let the rest of the line up pick up his lack of production rather than let Mac play and let his defense kill you late in the game. BA should come around but even if he doesn't I would rather have him in there than Mac. The offesive punch he gives you over BA is not enough to over come the defensive shortcommings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 QUOTE(My Dixie Normus @ Jun 4, 2006 -> 11:56 AM) I don't think anyone would deny that but IMO the best option is to play BA and let the rest of the line up pick up his lack of production rather than let Mac play and let his defense kill you late in the game. BA should come around but even if he doesn't I would rather have him in there than Mac. The offesive punch he gives you over BA is not enough to over come the defensive shortcommings. I agree with that, sure. But I still agree with SoxHawk about the graveyard. And I luuuv that expression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 QUOTE(My Dixie Normus @ Jun 4, 2006 -> 11:56 AM) I don't think anyone would deny that but IMO the best option is to play BA and let the rest of the line up pick up his lack of production rather than let Mac play and let his defense kill you late in the game. BA should come around but even if he doesn't I would rather have him in there than Mac. The offesive punch he gives you over BA is not enough to over come the defensive shortcommings. Although I agree with letting BA play, I don't think the rest of the line up need to pick up his slack anymore ... They've been doing it so far this whole seaon, time for him to get that bat kicking in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 (edited) Wow. This is the first time I looked at Brian's splits. His numbers on the road are eye-poppingly bad. Edited June 4, 2006 by BigSqwert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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