ACLU Sues Indiana over Child Safe Law

[YASNY]

The way they go about it (a program where students are automatically opted in with their personal information being given out without their consent to an organization that has shown cannot keep the data secure) is incorrect. Interested parties will find out the option of the military. Plus, they are a discriminatory organization ("Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy specifically) so they are not allowed in most schools. And when the government threatens schools that don't allow this to go on, they get their funds taken away? That is bulls***.

 

And yes, when you have about 500 allegations of recruiters lying to students to get them to sign up (and that was in 2005...and just the reported ones) A person who wants to join the military can and will. However, the way the government is involving themselves in the school system vis a vis military recruitment is totally asinine.

 

I guess it's okay for the public school system to be consider a government entity when it comes to issues of separation of church and state, but it's not okay for it to be a government entity when it comes to sharing data with another government entity.

[EvilMonkey]

As for the data dump re: flights -- how about the FBI, CIA etc. begin doing a little investigative work, get a thing called probable cause and then go from there? Hell, most of the impotent bureaucrats couldn't have been bothered to get actual verifiable, truthful evidence regarding Iraq's weapons programs -- so what the Hell is going to happen if they get all this information of what books we're reading, who's flying where, etc. etc. etc.?

The info we were getting on incoming flights was passenger manifest information, not reading habits, membership affiliatons and clothing sizes. The names of the passengers were made available, along with info sucj as how they paid and if there was a return flight. Just how would you have the FBI or CIA gather this info if not from the airlines themselves? Start an investigation into each person coming into the country before they are allowed to fly in?

 

And FYI, as I said "Sure, they can pick some winners, but they sure can pick some losers."

[Texsox]

The info we were getting on incoming flights was passenger manifest information, not reading habits, membership affiliatons and clothing sizes. The names of the passengers were made available, along with info sucj as how they paid and if there was a return flight. Just how would you have the FBI or CIA gather this info if not from the airlines themselves? Start an investigation into each person coming into the country before they are allowed to fly in?

 

And FYI, as I said "Sure, they can pick some winners, but they sure can pick some losers."

I always like to see how this could be abused. We know it never stops at this point. What we have is the government tracking how you bought a ticket and when you will be leaving or staying. If this is the slippery slope that we are allowing, where could it lead? The government tracking your road trips as well? Checking in with big brother? IMHO a little bit of paranoia here is a good thing.

 

As a broad overview, the ACLU wants is to have the maximum amount of freedoms and the least amout of government restrictions. With them fighting the government all the way doesn't that keep the government in check? We are smart enough to know they aren't fighting to help perverts look at pornography, they are fighting to let normal citizens look at materials that others may find offensive. It is just to whittle away at those freedoms the government finds loathsome persons to act against. I think we are better served if we look at what is being done, not who it is benefitting in that case.

[EvilMonkey]

I always like to see how this could be abused. We know it never stops at this point. What we have is the government tracking how you bought a ticket and when you will be leaving or staying. If this is the slippery slope that we are allowing, where could it lead? The government tracking your road trips as well? Checking in with big brother? IMHO a little bit of paranoia here is a good thing.

 

As a broad overview, the ACLU wants is to have the maximum amount of freedoms and the least amout of government restrictions. With them fighting the government all the way doesn't that keep the government in check? We are smart enough to know they aren't fighting to help perverts look at pornography, they are fighting to let normal citizens look at materials that others may find offensive. It is just to whittle away at those freedoms the government finds loathsome persons to act against. I think we are better served if we look at what is being done, not who it is benefitting in that case.

Tex, for non-American citizens coming into this country, I don't care if they stick a GPS dog collar on them. As a country, we have every right to know who is coming here, amd how they paid for thier flight and whether or not there is a return trip is a big red flag if it was paid in cash and there is no return flight scheduled.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

I guess it's okay for the public school system to be consider a government entity when it comes to issues of separation of church and state, but it's not okay for it to be a government entity when it comes to sharing data with another government entity.

As a privacy advocate, I'm sort of shocked that you'd endorse the system where a student is put on a mailing list (both e-mail and snail mail), getting phone calls, etc. all without the student's consent to receive military recruitment information.

[EvilMonkey]

[YASNY]

As a privacy advocate, I'm sort of shocked that you'd endorse the system where a student is put on a mailing list (both e-mail and snail mail), getting phone calls, etc. all without the student's consent to receive military recruitment information.

 

I wasn't endorsing anything. I was meerly pointing out the double standard.

[Cknolls]

I think the ACLU is good because they take positions that a normal lawyer or law firm could not take.

 

Yes they take extreme positions, but there are plenty of people out there trying to strip our constitutional freedom every day. One group dedicated to trying to expand constitutional protection's is not really going to hurt.

 

 

This is precious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yes that is what they are doing in this case. Working for the person who wants to f*** children, their freedom to f*** children has been deprived by our moralistic society. Thank God the ACLU is here to keep their dream alive. Making sure their constitutional protections are there, so one day in a perfect world they will have the ability to make their dreams come true.

 

The ACLU is worthless pile of dogs***. The devil wouldnt even represent this filth in their attempts to f*** kids. Yet they jump up there with smiling faces and bravado.

 

 

Amen!!!!

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

I always like to see how this could be abused. We know it never stops at this point. What we have is the government tracking how you bought a ticket and when you will be leaving or staying. If this is the slippery slope that we are allowing, where could it lead? The government tracking your road trips as well? Checking in with big brother? IMHO a little bit of paranoia here is a good thing.

 

As a broad overview, the ACLU wants is to have the maximum amount of freedoms and the least amout of government restrictions. With them fighting the government all the way doesn't that keep the government in check? We are smart enough to know they aren't fighting to help perverts look at pornography, they are fighting to let normal citizens look at materials that others may find offensive. It is just to whittle away at those freedoms the government finds loathsome persons to act against. I think we are better served if we look at what is being done, not who it is benefitting in that case.

 

Explain how they want the maximum amount of freedom when they are fighting to destroy the free expression of religon in the school system. They are all about government restricting religous activity even if it's voluntary and student led.

 

In this case they are fighting to make it alright for a bunch of sick individials to prey on children. That is wrong as could possibly be yet they persist.

[Gregory Pratt]

They get to choose their causes, not their individual defendants. (i.e. when the Jewish ACLU lawyer took the case to help out the Nazis that wanted to march in Skokie during the 1970s and were denied their Constitutional rights to assembly and free speech)

 

 

That's a shrug.

 

I'm with Nuke and all the other Righties and Right-leaners on this site.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

The way they go about it (a program where students are automatically opted in with their personal information being given out without their consent to an organization that has shown cannot keep the data secure) is incorrect. Interested parties will find out the option of the military. Plus, they are a discriminatory organization ("Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy specifically) so they are not allowed in most schools. And when the government threatens schools that don't allow this to go on, they get their funds taken away? That is bulls***.

 

And yes, when you have about 500 allegations of recruiters lying to students to get them to sign up (and that was in 2005...and just the reported ones) A person who wants to join the military can and will. However, the way the government is involving themselves in the school system vis a vis military recruitment is totally asinine.

 

 

500!?! LOL! You have any idea how many times I hear from junior troops that whole song and dance about "my recruiter lied to me"? Its been a lot more than 500 I'll tell ya that much. Military recruiters might sugar coat certain aspects of the service and might fail to mention certain things if not asked but at that point its up to the recruit to ask tough questions and make that recruiter do his job. You might have a few recruiters out there who are not truthful ( every organization has its bad apples ) but if you're looking for a pattern of misconduct here you're pissing in the wind.

[Balta1701]

In this case they are fighting to make it alright for a bunch of sick individials to prey on children. That is wrong as could possibly be yet they persist.

Are they really doing that here, or are they just arguing that people who have served their time should have at least some ability to live lives?

 

Here's a thought. If these people can't be allowed to go within 1000 feet of a school, why exactly are they being let out of prison? Seriously, Prison is designed to incarcerate people who can't be trusted in the general public. At least that's one of its uses. Why are these people being released if they cannot be trusted to drive down a public highway?

Edited June 6, 2006 by Balta1701

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Are they really doing that here, or are they just arguing that people who have served their time should have at least some ability to live lives?

 

Here's a thought. If these people can't be allowed to go within 1000 feet of a school, why exactly are they being let out of prison?

 

 

Thats my point. They shouldn't be. People who prey on children are sick in the head and it takes a lot more than a slap on the wrist prison sentence to fix their warped little minds. But then the American Criminal Liberties Organization would most likely fight tougher sentencing guidelines as well.

[Rex Kickass]

Nuke, Thanks to people like you, I've decided to join the ACLU this week. Because I've decided your freedom to speak your mind is important and I want to see it defended - even if you don't.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jun 5, 2006 -> 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nuke, Thanks to people like you, I've decided to join the ACLU this week. Because I've decided your freedom to speak your mind is important and I want to see it defended - even if you don't.

lol

 

Is there any evidence that the ACLU is condoning the act of f***ing children? Just asking.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Nuke, Thanks to people like you, I've decided to join the ACLU this week. Because I've decided your freedom to speak your mind is important and I want to see it defended - even if you don't.

 

 

In their case it's freedom to..................

 

 

-Be a criminal s***bag who weakens the good order and discipline of society with every breath.

 

-Be a child molesting pedophile who gets his jollies raping small children.

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-Be a terrorist and plot attacks against America without interference from law enforcement snooping.

 

 

 

According to them you can do whatever you want to do as long as it's illegal, immoral, and tears our society down.

 

 

Every dollar donated to the American Criminal Liberties Union is a dollar given to finance the destruction of our society. Thank you Rex for your contribution.

 

lol

 

Is there any evidence that the ACLU is condoning the act of f***ing children? Just asking.

 

 

They are noted supporters of NAMBLA so the answer is a resounding yes.

 

 

Child f***ers of the world dont fret.........the American Criminal Liberties Union has your back!!!

[Rex Kickass]

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