Gay baseball players

[BigSqwert]

So how does this validate their marching in gay pride parades and putting bumper stickers on their cars?

The fact that most of their lives they are discriminated against, ridiculed, ostracized, and even physically abused because of their sexual orientation. Lets face it, many gays have a much more difficult life than a straight person. So what if they have a day to show off their pride?

[Steff]

To the Buster......!!

[RockRaines]

The fact that most of their lives they are discriminated against, ridiculed, ostracized, and even physically abused because of their sexual orientation. Lets face it, many gays have a much more difficult life than a straight person. So what if they have a day to show off their pride?

There are many different groups that face the same discrimination as well, and thats why we have black history month etc. Being gay has become alot more accepted, and even popular in mainstream media these days, so I am not sure how much this is still a HUGE issue IMO.

 

I do like the birdcage however.

Edited June 6, 2006 by RockRaines

[Balta1701]

So how does this validate their marching in gay pride parades and putting bumper stickers on their cars?

Great, I'm posting here now, so I give this about 5 minutes before it winds up in the Buster.

 

Anywho...I hear this sort of thing about "Well, we don't wear our heterosexuality on our sleeves, we don't go around marching in parades, putting bumper stickers on our cars" all the time. You know what? It's actually an argument that only makes sense to a heterosexual, because to a homosexual person, things you or I would consider to be just normal everyday things really look like proudly trumpeting your heterosexuality.

 

Think about this. How often do adults show pictures of their children? Or talk about their spouse? Or for when they're younger, how much time do people spend talking about their boyfriends/girlfriends? Hell, that's basically all MTV is anymore. To a heterosexual person, these just seem like normal things to bring up. Why am I leaving Social Hour early? Oh well I promised my fiancee I'd watch a movie with her tonight. My Kid is an honor student at Willowcreek Middle School = putting your heterosexuality on your bumper sticker.

 

But you know what? If I were a homosexual, saying the very same statements would wind up making people around me uncomfortable. If a homosexual person talks about his or her partner, that's going to be thought about as putting their homosexuality forwards, wearing it on their sleeves, etc. It's just not a way of thinking most people are used to.

 

Edit: And it wound up in the Buster whilest I was typing.

[NorthSideSox72]

I had a feeling this one was headed here from the get-go.

[WilliamTell]

Here's a question I'm wondering about. Has anyone ever found out that a friend of their's was gay and did that affect how you viewed them or how you hung out with them? I haven't had a good friend come out openly before so I wouldn't know but I have thought about how it would affect our friendship and I don't think it would, I think it'd all be the same, but once again I've never been through it so I don't know.

[FlaSoxxJim]

Let's see, I have two choices here:

 

1) Choose to be gay so that I can get ridiculed, become ostracized, etc.

2) Choose to be straight so that I can blend in with the the other 90% of the population.

 

You're telling me that people actively choose option #1? That's a bunch of bulls***.

 

^^^^^

 

Bingo.

 

Here's a question I'm wondering about. Has anyone ever found out that a friend of their's was gay and did that affect how you viewed them or how you hung out with them? I haven't had a good friend come out openly before so I wouldn't know but I have thought about how it would affect our friendship and I don't think it would, I think it'd all be the same, but once again I've never been through it so I don't know.

An extremely close female friend – one of my best friends – "came out" a year ago. Our only shock was why the hell she waited so long, since we all have basically known forever, despite her token attempts at dating guys here and there.

 

Then again, it's not for me to judge when the right time to come out was for her. The way I see it, she spent 15 years or so with a very closeknit group of friends that honestly wouldn't have lost any of the love they had for this person, and never felt comfortable enough to be herself. But in truth I think she was waiting to come out to her family, and decided not to confide (again, it was not a very well kept secret) in any of us until she worked up the nerve to tell her family.

Edited June 6, 2006 by FlaSoxxJim

[whitesoxin']

Can somebody explain to me why somebody would want to be gay? In my experiences, it seems to be people craving attention. Any attention is good attention to somebody who is craving it. Do most of you agree with Rock that it is a choice, or do you believe that it is an innate behavior? The only logical thing that I have heard is "God's way of stopping over population", but don't all boys in middle school have raging hormones for the females? Even the gay guys that I know from my high school were straight in middle school and "liked" girls.

[Gregory Pratt]

I luuuuuuuuv thread hijackings.

[Soxy]

Here's a question I'm wondering about. Has anyone ever found out that a friend of their's was gay and did that affect how you viewed them or how you hung out with them? I haven't had a good friend come out openly before so I wouldn't know but I have thought about how it would affect our friendship and I don't think it would, I think it'd all be the same, but once again I've never been through it so I don't know.

I've had several good friends that came out, mostly starting after high school graduation. I know it probably sounds fake and cliche, but it really hasn't affected any of my friendships. They've all been people that are just wonderful and that I absolutely cherish, so who they are attracted to doesn't really matter.

 

Unfortunately, a couple of my friends have had their other "friends" disown them or cut off all contact, which I've never understood.

 

Can somebody explain to me why somebody would want to be gay? In my experiences, it seems to be people craving attention. Any attention is good attention to somebody who is craving it. Do most of you agree with Rock that it is a choice, or do you believe that it is an innate behavior? The only logical thing that I have heard is "God's way of stopping over population", but don't all boys in middle school have raging hormones for the females? Even the gay guys that I know from my high school were straight in middle school and "liked" girls.

If I am remembering high school and middle school correctly, I would have done anything to fit in. How many girls had their hair cut into "The Rachel" or wore the same ugly ugg boots? I think that closeted teens are doing much the same thing--just trying to fit in so they won't get teased--middle school and high school kids can be absolutely merciless.

 

And I think that Flaxx and hammerhead hit it on the head about "choosing" to be gay--why the heck would you make that choice? To risk alienating your best friends, family, your co-workers, your place of worship? I can't fathom choosing to go through what my queer friends have gone through.

[NorthSideSox72]

Can somebody explain to me why somebody would want to be gay? In my experiences, it seems to be people craving attention. Any attention is good attention to somebody who is craving it. Do most of you agree with Rock that it is a choice, or do you believe that it is an innate behavior? The only logical thing that I have heard is "God's way of stopping over population", but don't all boys in middle school have raging hormones for the females? Even the gay guys that I know from my high school were straight in middle school and "liked" girls.

You think most people are gay because they are craving attention?

 

That is one of the more ignorant things I've seen posted on this board. Seriously. You should be embarrassed.

 

It isn't a choice. It is a trait - a base, profound personality dimension. It can be suppressed to some extent, but not removed by simply making a choice.

[southsider2k5]

You think most people are gay because they are craving attention?

 

That is one of the more ignorant things I've seen posted on this board. Seriously. You should be embarrassed.

 

It isn't a choice. It is a trait - a base, profound personality dimension. It can be suppressed to some extent, but not removed by simply making a choice.

 

What? I am black by choice.

[SoxFan1]

Didn't that one Japanese reliever on the Indians come out of the closet? Mitsubishi Tadano or something...

[thedoctor]

What? I am black by choice.

 

but, but, in that photo you posted...

 

[SoxFan1]

but, but, in that photo you posted...

 

He has a skin pigmentation disorder. He doesn't like talking about it...

[thedoctor]

He has a skin pigmentation disorder. He doesn't like talking about it...

 

i see. it's all coming together now. the pieces. they fit...

[Rex Kickass]

Can somebody explain to me why somebody would want to be gay? In my experiences, it seems to be people craving attention. Any attention is good attention to somebody who is craving it. Do most of you agree with Rock that it is a choice, or do you believe that it is an innate behavior? The only logical thing that I have heard is "God's way of stopping over population", but don't all boys in middle school have raging hormones for the females? Even the gay guys that I know from my high school were straight in middle school and "liked" girls.

 

You asked for an explanation. So here's one.

 

I didn't want to be what I am. I fought it for five years. I still can't be honest with my parents about who I am and the people I date. I had to hide who I am for an entire year from everyone I lived near in an attempt to save my career. I can't be honest with my brother because he'd disown me.

 

One of my best friends tried to kill himself multiple times because he couldn't accept his own homosexuality. I've personally called 911 twice because of other friends who couldn't accept their own homosexuality and tried to end their own lives.

 

The leader of the religion I was born into once said that homosexuals don't even deserve human rights. My religion deserted me. The organization that I grew up in won't let me give back some of the help that I've received in becoming the person I am because of who I love.

 

When I find the person that I want to spend the rest of my life with, chances are I will not be guaranteed visitation rights in the hospital, the ability to carry out his final wishes if they conflict with his family's, and all sorts of little rights and privileges that married couples take for granted will not be available to me and my partner.

 

But I guess its all for the attention.

 

I don't mean to be harsh, because I don't think a lot of people who view homosexuality as a choice understand what they're saying. But I'm pretty sure that my sexuality wasn't a choice. Whether its a product of biology, chemistry, psychology, whatever - I frankly don't know and don't care. I am what I am. I can accept it, embrace it and live a life that's honest and positive and responsible to myself and the world around me - or I can lie about it some more.

 

I didn't choose who I love. Love found me. And although this love has had me "lose" a lot, I've gained a lot more. I lost my religion, I kept my faith. Guess what, I got the better deal. Every time I'm honest with myself and honest with others about who I am, I'm proud of myself. Because it's just the right thing to do.

 

So I go to the pride festivals, I support the rights of people like me - because ultimately its good for the rights of everyone, and I try to be a good person and help others. I don't know if I had "chosen" to be straight if any of the good things about me would have ever come out. But fortunately, I didn't choose anything. So yeah, I'm pretty damn proud of who I am.

 

BTW: I liked girls in middle school because I thought that's what you were supposed to do. Not because my hormones were raging.

[FlaSoxxJim]

Didn't that one Japanese reliever on the Indians come out of the closet? Mitsubishi Tadano or something...

 

Kazuhito Tadano. And there is a difference between coming out and being recognized in a gay porn movie you did in college for a little extra cash.

[Gregory Pratt]

Kazuhito Tadano. And there is a difference between coming out and being recognized in a gay porn movie you did in college for a little extra cash.

 

[southsider2k5]

Kazuhito Tadano. And there is a difference between coming out and being recognized in a gay porn movie you did in college for a little extra cash.

 

That sounded like the voice of experience...

 

[Digs out Flaxx to the Future]

[FlaSoxxJim]

That sounded like the voice of experience...

 

[Digs out Flaxx to the Future]

 

I told her dealer I was broke

He hired a camera man

We did a porno film for coke

I hear I'm big in Japan

 

Ah, youthful indiscretion. . .

[whitesoxin']

You think most people are gay because they are craving attention?

 

That is one of the more ignorant things I've seen posted on this board. Seriously. You should be embarrassed.

 

It isn't a choice. It is a trait - a base, profound personality dimension. It can be suppressed to some extent, but not removed by simply making a choice.

I've seen an instance of it, so I am not embarassed for thinking that. Not every situation is the same, and it is the reason that some people do it. It really is not an ignorant comment because I have seen it happen to people I know.

[Soxy]

I've seen an instance of it, so I am not embarassed for thinking that. Not every situation is the same, and it is the reason that some people do it. It really is not an ignorant comment because I have seen it happen to people I know.

Wow, AN instance of it. . .

[FlaSoxxJim]

I've seen an instance of it, so I am not embarassed for thinking that. Not every situation is the same, and it is the reason that some people do it. It really is not an ignorant comment because I have seen it happen to people I know.

 

Is that what they call being fashionably gay?

[NorthSideSox72]

I've seen an instance of it, so I am not embarassed for thinking that. Not every situation is the same, and it is the reason that some people do it. It really is not an ignorant comment because I have seen it happen to people I know.

Was it your attempt to further illustrate my point? Because you did a pretty good job of it.

 

An instance? OK, if we are talking about the possibility that the occasional person would choose to do something rebelious to get attention, then sure. I am sure that has happened on occasion. But the idea that 10% (or more) of the population chooses a life of ridicule and hardship, so that they can get attention, is just assinine on its face.