MnSoxFan Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Sorry if already discussed, I have been working too much and took a small break. Not sure who was promoted to Birm from Winston-Salem, but Castro was promoted from Kannapolis to Winston-Salem as part of the musical chairs. Now 3 LHs from Barons rotation on DL, Malone, Ulacia and Cotts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport_Joe Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Honel? Awful news about Cotts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Seems like our pitchers are always getting hurt in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 What is the official word on Cotts injury? Is this a big deal or more precautionary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 I'd assume it would be more of a precautionary move. Cotts has been throwing a ton of pitches, and maybe his shoulder just became sore from so many pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Right now the Barons have the following starters: West, Yofu, Enemencio Now, the Barons could have McWhirter fill in for Ulacia/Cotts and promote a starter (Francisco, Honel, Wing) Or have Wylie and McWhirter start and promote Stumm or Meaux. Rex, what sounds like the most likely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted June 6, 2003 Author Share Posted June 6, 2003 I would bet Wing or Allen get promoted ahead of Honel, due to age. Rex, what have you heard on Cotts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullard Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Cotts DL appearance is more for precaution. He only is gonna miss 1 start most likely. McWhirter is spot starting Sunday for Cotts and I'm gonna spot start Monday. We got Purvis from Extended Spring and I think O'neal from Winston. Our pitchers have taken a little beating thus far this year but those who have been healthy have picked up the slack. We have 12 games in the next 11 days so our pitching staff is gonna be pushed to the limit. Time for the bus to the field. Adios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 I hope you get on a roll Jim. The Barons could definately use some great spot starts from you and McWhirter. I also hope that Cotts, Ulacia and Malone can get back healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 I hope Cotts isn't hurt too badly...He's got a potentially good career ahead. Bullard, bid him peace and love from Illinois State University Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 Bullard said it all. I heard nothing more than inflammation with Cotts and that he should only miss 1 start. O'Neal and Purvis both pitched in relief of Yofu tonight and got rocked. Barons lost first game 13-4. Won second game 7-0 behind combined shutout from Wylie, Bajaneru and Ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted June 8, 2003 Author Share Posted June 8, 2003 Did Wylie get pulled due to pitch count I hope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 Did Wylie get pulled due to pitch count I hope? Yeah. His longest outing so far had been 3 innings and 13 batters faced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 Yeah. His longest outing so far had been 3 innings and 13 batters faced. Yep. I am assuming they are slowly increasing it. Are they planning on making him a starter again? Or was this just a temporary thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 Yep. I am assuming they are slowly increasing it. Are they planning on making him a starter again? Or was this just a temporary thing. I believe he has taken Ulacia's spot in the rotation. Ulacia will be out awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Joining yesterday's growing list of injured lefties, White Sox Double-A prospect Neal Cotts was placed on the seven-day disabled list with a sore shoulder. Cotts, who was acquired from the A's as part of the Billy Koch deal last year, is 7-2, 2.11 for Birmingham this season. He throws 85-89 with a plus curveball, but his changeup is his out pitch. This was on Baseball America's site. It sounds like not a big deal at all if he is only on the 7 day DL. The interesting part was his pitch speed. If this guy is averaging 13.5 K's per 9 IP with a fastball that doesn't break 90, he must have some incredible movement on his stuff. Even more so than I ever imagined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 This was on Baseball America's site. It sounds like not a big deal at all if he is only on the 7 day DL. The interesting part was his pitch speed. If this guy is averaging 13.5 K's per 9 IP with a fastball that doesn't break 90, he must have some incredible movement on his stuff. Even more so than I ever imagined. Cotts knows how to pitch. He moves the ball in and out, up and down. He keeps hitters off balance and is good at coming up with a big pitch in a great location to get the strikeout. A negative of all the strikeouts is he goes deep into counts with most hitters, giving him a higher pitch count than most pitchers. His longest outing this year has been 6 2/3. Most of his outings have been in teh 5 or 6 inning range. When he finds a way to go deeper into games without losing the edge he has (even if that means a few less strikeouts), he could be quite dangerous down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 This was on Baseball America's site. It sounds like not a big deal at all if he is only on the 7 day DL. The interesting part was his pitch speed. If this guy is averaging 13.5 K's per 9 IP with a fastball that doesn't break 90, he must have some incredible movement on his stuff. Even more so than I ever imagined. Cotts knows how to pitch. He moves the ball in and out, up and down. He keeps hitters off balance and is good at coming up with a big pitch in a great location to get the strikeout. A negative of all the strikeouts is he goes deep into counts with most hitters, giving him a higher pitch count than most pitchers. His longest outing this year has been 6 2/3. Most of his outings have been in teh 5 or 6 inning range. When he finds a way to go deeper into games without losing the edge he has (even if that means a few less strikeouts), he could be quite dangerous down the road. He needs to learn the Kip Wells and Jon Garland thing, it sounds like. TRUST YOUR STUFF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 There have been lots of great pitchers who have consistently gone deep into counts. Some guys pitch better 3 and 2 than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 There have been lots of great pitchers who have consistently gone deep into counts. Some guys pitch better 3 and 2 than others. Perhaps, but do you want a guy coming to the Majors that walks 4-5 guys a game in 5-6 innings in AA starts? I have confidence he will do what needs to be done to solve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 This was on Baseball America's site. It sounds like not a big deal at all if he is only on the 7 day DL. The interesting part was his pitch speed. If this guy is averaging 13.5 K's per 9 IP with a fastball that doesn't break 90, he must have some incredible movement on his stuff. Even more so than I ever imagined. Cotts knows how to pitch. He moves the ball in and out, up and down. He keeps hitters off balance and is good at coming up with a big pitch in a great location to get the strikeout. A negative of all the strikeouts is he goes deep into counts with most hitters, giving him a higher pitch count than most pitchers. His longest outing this year has been 6 2/3. Most of his outings have been in teh 5 or 6 inning range. When he finds a way to go deeper into games without losing the edge he has (even if that means a few less strikeouts), he could be quite dangerous down the road. That is one reason I feel that strike outs by a pitcher are over rated. Take Colon for example, his strike outs are down from previous years, but he is a much better pitcher than he used to be. He's learned how to let the hitters get themselves out. Which, in the long run, will save wear and tear on his arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTC2784 Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 That is one reason I feel that strike outs by a pitcher are over rated. Take Colon for example, his strike outs are down from previous years, but he is a much better pitcher than he used to be. He's learned how to let the hitters get themselves out. Which, in the long run, will save wear and tear on his arm. Exactly. The only times strikeouts are decisively better are with men on base or when you have a terrible-fielding team behind you IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Exactly. The only times strikeouts are decisively better are with men on base or when you have a terrible-fielding team behind you IMO. In that case shouldnt we only draft strikeout pitchers... Our D leaves a lot to be desired. But K's are by no means the end all for a pitcher... I would hoiwever like you all to take a look at jon garlands game logs this year.. Check out his BB:K ratios for each start and how he preforms.... then tell me K's are uinimportant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTC2784 Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 In that case shouldnt we only draft strikeout pitchers... Our D leaves a lot to be desired. But K's are by no means the end all for a pitcher... I would hoiwever like you all to take a look at jon garlands game logs this year.. Check out his BB:K ratios for each start and how he preforms.... then tell me K's are uinimportant Well, I think his BB:K ratio is more affected by the BB side than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 In that case shouldnt we only draft strikeout pitchers... Our D leaves a lot to be desired. But K's are by no means the end all for a pitcher... I would hoiwever like you all to take a look at jon garlands game logs this year.. Check out his BB:K ratios for each start and how he preforms.... then tell me K's are uinimportant Well, I think his BB:K ratio is more affected by the BB side than anything else. NOPE! check it out. He has a few games where he has a 1:1 ratio... or 1:2 Only two games where he had 4 walks.. thats the most... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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