shoota Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 How come every time Crede makes an error, DJ and Hawk have to defend him by saying how rare it is for him to error and that he's still "the best defensive 3bman in the business"? Crede committed two errors on one play which any other 3Bman would have made and ended the inning, allowing the Sox to retain their 3-2 lead instead of giving the First-place Tigers a gift tieing run in the 7th inning. QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:04 PM) How come every time Crede makes an error, DJ and Hawk have to defend him by saying how rare it is for him to error and that he's still "the best defensive 3bman in the business"? Crede committed two errors on one play which any other 3Bman would have made and ended the inning, allowing the Sox to retain their 3-2 lead instead of giving the First-place Tigers a gift tieing run in the 7th inning. I'm insulted by announcers who try to excuse a player's error by saying how he's made that play in the past, how much he's contributed to the team this year, etc. They give praise where criticism is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I love when people have conversations with themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguy79 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 errors happen...remember many game saving plays he makes that other 3B don't make... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 QUOTE(chiguy79 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:11 PM) errors happen...remember many game saving plays he makes that other 3B don't make... Good point DJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That funky motion Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Crede should never make a mistake. You are right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:07 PM) How come every time Crede makes an error, DJ and Hawk have to defend him by saying how rare it is for him to error and that he's still "the best defensive 3bman in the business"? Crede committed two errors on one play which any other 3Bman would have made and ended the inning, allowing the Sox to retain their 3-2 lead instead of giving the First-place Tigers a gift tieing run in the 7th inning. I'm insulted by announcers who try to excuse a player's error by saying how he's made that play in the past, how much he's contributed to the team this year, etc. They give praise where criticism is necessary. shut up. he also scored the go ahead run. give the guy a break, he makes almost every play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 If there's one player on this team who deserves a free pass on defense it's Joe Crede. He's saved countless runs in the past and has always been incredibly clutch defensively as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:16 PM) shut up. he also scored the go ahead run. give the guy a break, he makes almost every play. Maybe I wasn't clear in my first post: Yes I'm upset at Crede for his lack of ability, but this thread was intended to be more of a criticism of announcers who try to patronize viewers instead of calling a play on its own. QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:31 PM) If there's one player on this team who deserves a free pass on defense it's Joe Crede. He's saved countless runs in the past and has always been incredibly clutch defensively as well. Like his dropped foul popup against Boston last year? CLUTCH. Crede's defense is overvalued and does not deserve the level of respect he receives from Sox fans and announcers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo880 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I'm not bashing Crede at all, i also believe that if a player is going to let a run come in its him with all the runs he has saved...however i was a little shocked when i saw it was his 7th of the year already considering he only had 10 all last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:34 PM) Like his dropped foul popup against Boston last year? CLUTCH. Crede's defense is overvalued and does not deserve the level of respect he receives from Sox fans and announcers. Congrats on naming 2 plays that he's screwed up, do you have any idea how many s*** plays you get from other 3B around the league? A whole hell of a lot more than Crede. If you're going to critique the guy pick something else because the one thing you're not going to convince anyone of is that his defense is overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 QUOTE(chiguy79 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:11 PM) errors happen... The guy who started this thread made an error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Still...that throw was absolutely insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:38 PM) Congrats on naming 2 plays that he's screwed up, do you have any idea how many s*** plays you get from other 3B around the league? A whole hell of a lot more than Crede. If you're going to critique the guy pick something else because the one thing you're not going to convince anyone of is that his defense is overrated. OK, Crede also struggles greatly coming in on bunts and swinging bunts. He does not have a bare-hand move in his repertoire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:34 PM) Maybe I wasn't clear in my first post: Yes I'm upset at Crede for his lack of ability, but this thread was intended to be more of a criticism of announcers who try to patronize viewers instead of calling a play on its own. Like his dropped foul popup against Boston last year? CLUTCH. Crede's defense is overvalued and does not deserve the level of respect he receives from Sox fans and announcers. Okay you can just stop right there. Don't make yourself look like an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 It was a sharply hit ball that he had to take on the inbetween hop. Your insinuation that "any other 3b makes that play" is greatly exaggerated. The throw was stupid, but the stop itself was far from routine. I was disappointed that he earned an error on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 How many different third baseman would you like right now, compared to the contract, age etc. that you have to factor in for Crede? I can only think of David Wright and maybe Ryan Zimmerman off the top of my head. Crede's hitting much better this season, and he's in a little bit of a slump on the field at the moment. Doesn't mean you should be jumping off a bridge saying how overrated he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:46 PM) How many different third baseman would you like right now, compared to the contract, age etc. that you have to factor in for Crede? I can only think of David Wright and maybe Ryan Zimmerman off the top of my head. Crede's hitting much better this season, and he's in a little bit of a slump on the field at the moment. Doesn't mean you should be jumping off a bridge saying how overrated he is. Miguel Cabrera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 8, 2006 -> 12:47 PM) Miguel Cabrera. Ah yeah, cos he is playing 3B this season isn't he. Still Joe would be a top 5 guy IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettysburg32 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Let's trade Crede for Aubrey Huff. Ah, winning one-run ballgames and b****ing about Joe Crede, it feels just like 2005 all over again. I can sleep easy tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:44 PM) Okay you can just stop right there. Don't make yourself look like an idiot. Please explain why I'm an idiot and if you believe Crede is good at making that type of play. QUOTE(mmmmmbeeer @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:44 PM) It was a sharply hit ball that he had to take on the inbetween hop. Your insinuation that "any other 3b makes that play" is greatly exaggerated. The throw was stupid, but the stop itself was far from routine. I was disappointed that he earned an error on it. The ball bounced out of Crede's glove. QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:46 PM) How many different third baseman would you like right now, compared to the contract, age etc. that you have to factor in for Crede? I can only think of David Wright and maybe Ryan Zimmerman off the top of my head. Crede's hitting much better this season, and he's in a little bit of a slump on the field at the moment. Doesn't mean you should be jumping off a bridge saying how overrated he is. I never stated this year that I want Crede replaced, so your post is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Crede's defense is overvalued and does not deserve the level of respect he receives from Sox fans and announcers. My gawd. Enough of these posts and I'll think the Sox internet fans are as bad as the nominds who post on the college boards. Give me a break. He is not perfect. He is still a great player, a likeable player and a ballsy player. He comes right back and gets on base and scores the winning run and Jose still gets the win. I can understand burying Anderson or somebody who has yet to do it, but Crede is a god, small g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 8, 2006 -> 12:55 PM) Please explain why I'm an idiot and if you believe Crede is good at making that type of play. How many times over the past few seasons have you seen Joe Crede make good defensive plays at 3B, compared to a lot of other third baseman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:55 PM) Please explain why I'm an idiot and if you believe Crede is good at making that type of play. The ball bounced out of Crede's glove. I never stated this year that I want Crede replaced, so your post is irrelevant. Well when you're saying that he's getting way too much credit at his position it makes my post relevant. Who the hell else do you want out there? It has been said already, the throw wasn't wise, but he just tried to do too much. From a guy who plays GG defense in a game we ended up winning anyway, you shouldn't complain. EDIT: Sorry not the response to my post, but its still the truth. Edited June 8, 2006 by Whitewashed in '05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3RDBASE Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 If you can't see for yourself how much credit and respect he has earned... how much heart this guy puts into his playing D and hitting...then I guess he sucks...some people don't see talent when its right in front of them..he is not an average 3dbaseman...not by anymeans...don't care what his numbers say or how many errors he commits I'd still take Joe every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 QUOTE(gettysburg32 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:50 PM) Let's trade Crede for Aubrey Huff. Ah, winning one-run ballgames and b****ing about Joe Crede, it feels just like 2005 all over again. I can sleep easy tonight. I like the pic of all the hats by the way, very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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