VAfan Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I posted this on the Anderson thread on the main board, and under Outfield Possibilities, but I think this deserves an airing on its own. Why not make a deal to bring Mike Cameron back this year? He has absolutely sucked in cavernous SD stadium, but was fine last year in NY. Compare the two years. 2005 NYM 76 308 47 84 23 2 12 39 29 85 13 1 .273 .342 .477 .819 2006 SD 42 167 23 40 7 0 1 18 19 48 11 0 .240 .321 .299 .620 Given his inability to give SD anything, why wouldn't they be happy to deal him? He signed a 3-year deal in 2004, so it will be up after this season. The contract is for $7.3 million. If the Sox picked up the balance (which we ought to be able to do given attendance), we'd likely have to give up lesser prospects. Cameron ought to be happy moving to a stadium where he can hit, as he's going to be looking for a new contract next year. And though he may not have left on the best terms, that was the former GM's management, not KWs. Plus, Mike Cameron has the second best zone range rating of any CF in MLB, behind --- Brian Anderson. So we wouldn't have to sacrifice defense to add a bat to the lineup. He also has 11 SBs and 0 CSs, which Ozzie would love. Right now we have a ton of players racking up the stats at AAA. If we want to get a deal done, I'm sure SD would be willing. Sure, they like Cameron's D, but it is not as if he's going to be on their team next season. They would deal him in a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 (edited) my first thought is "no thanks." but on further examination, considering this is his walk year, so we wouldn't be stuck with him... i kind of like this idea. id prefer brady clark, and i pretty much think cincy won't deal griffey (they CAN win that division). yeah, cameron, good call... if anything he could always just break his face again. Edited June 9, 2006 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 IMO, SD would have to drop out of the race for Cameron to be dealt. Or they'd have to get another major league piece to their team instead of prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted June 9, 2006 Author Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 03:34 PM) IMO, SD would have to drop out of the race for Cameron to be dealt. Or they'd have to get another major league piece to their team instead of prospects But why? They have Dave Roberts, who has already played 10 games in CF this year, and has spent most of his career as a CF. And Giles used to be a CF and could play there in a pinch. So all they need is any outfielder who gives them more than a .620 OPS and .299 SLG and they've lost nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Cameron is a legit pickup. Health issues, but he plays a good CF and is a solid offensive player when healthy plus I concur that it wouldn't cost too mcuh if we picked up the salary (thus allowing the Pads to be able to pick up another guy or two that they deem more valuable for the stretch run). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 03:34 PM) IMO, SD would have to drop out of the race for Cameron to be dealt. Or they'd have to get another major league piece to their team instead of prospects They really need a 3B. I wish we had one who was leading the IL in OPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 02:23 PM) They really need a 3B. I wish we had one who was leading the IL in OPS. I wish the Pads had a reliever or two they could give us, along with Cameron to make things interesting. And I think the Pads would give up a whole lot for Fields, however, I don't see them having what we would need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 This man would look great comming out of the Sox' pen in the 8th inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 02:28 PM) This man would look great comming out of the Sox' pen in the 8th inning. I like Linebrink a lot, but would you guys actually give up Fields for Linebrink and Cameron? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 04:25 PM) I wish the Pads had a reliever or two they could give us, along with Cameron to make things interesting. And I think the Pads would give up a whole lot for Fields, however, I don't see them having what we would need. Yeah, I think for that trade to be fair, we'd have to take Cameron (without SD picking up any of his salary) and Carillo for Fields. Carillo probably wouldn't do us much good this year. He was recently promoted to AAA, but when he was promoted, his AA stats were worse than Broadway's (and they played in the same league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 02:31 PM) Yeah, I think for that trade to be fair, we'd have to take Cameron (without SD picking up any of his salary) and Carillo for Fields. Carillo probably wouldn't do us much good this year. He was recently promoted to AAA, but when he was promoted, his AA stats were worse than Broadway's (and they played in the same league. Well I'd do that deal and I think you may be right with us having to get something else from the minor league level (and a very good one at that). Fields is a stud prospect, but we don't have a position for him so us getting a need for this year as well as a pretty good starting pitching prospect (and a guy that I personally wanted over Broadway; not that I don't like Broadway because i think he is capable of being a #3-5 starter) which we could use next year or event convert to the pen (hey, good starters can become great relievers even though some coudl make a case thats wasting talent, but if we got excess talent why not). And as Kalapse pointed out, Linebrink would look good, but I don't know if we could tap into there pen, but even then I still think Fields is too much and we'd need a prospect or something back in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 04:31 PM) I like Linebrink a lot, but would you guys actually give up Fields for Linebrink and Cameron? I really don't know if I would simply because I don't like Cameron as much as some seem to. I do LOVE Linebrink though, the guy would immediatly make the pen more than solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 02:31 PM) Yeah, I think for that trade to be fair, we'd have to take Cameron (without SD picking up any of his salary) and Carillo for Fields. Carillo probably wouldn't do us much good this year. He was recently promoted to AAA, but when he was promoted, his AA stats were worse than Broadway's (and they played in the same league. Actually, come to think of it, I actually think Carillo could be the type of guy that could help out a ML pen relatively quickly. He has a nice FB and IIRC a pretty good slider which is typically a good fit in the pen. Maybe we can flip a guy like Fields for a CF and a prospect who could help out our pen. Sure its a bit more of a risk, but in a years time the Sox always have the option of flipping that prospect like Carillo for someone else. We couldn't do that if we got a mediocre reliever (I would not deal a top prospect for an average reliever). Broadway isn't the type of guy that I could see making a big impact in the pen, but in time we could see the Sox look to a guy like Lummy down the stretch (and obviously in September) as well as Tracey (who we now have up). I'm typically a fan of using more power arms in the pen (even though I could care less if a starter throws really hard, but with starters I look a lot more at there secondary pitches and with relievers all I care is if they have one other pitch that they can throw for a strike to go with the FB). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 04:31 PM) I like Linebrink a lot, but would you guys actually give up Fields for Linebrink and Cameron? Yes. In that deal the Sox get an immediate and somewhat permanent solution to the bullpen problem and at the very least a stopgap CF. For Fields, that's a nice package, especially considering the price the Rays would likely want for Crawford by himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(VAfan @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 03:29 PM) I posted this on the Anderson thread on the main board, and under Outfield Possibilities, but I think this deserves an airing on its own. Why not make a deal to bring Mike Cameron back this year? He has absolutely sucked in cavernous SD stadium, but was fine last year in NY. Compare the two years. 2005 NYM 76 308 47 84 23 2 12 39 29 85 13 1 .273 .342 .477 .819 2006 SD 42 167 23 40 7 0 1 18 19 48 11 0 .240 .321 .299 .620 Given his inability to give SD anything, why wouldn't they be happy to deal him? He signed a 3-year deal in 2004, so it will be up after this season. The contract is for $7.3 million. If the Sox picked up the balance (which we ought to be able to do given attendance), we'd likely have to give up lesser prospects. Cameron ought to be happy moving to a stadium where he can hit, as he's going to be looking for a new contract next year. And though he may not have left on the best terms, that was the former GM's management, not KWs. Plus, Mike Cameron has the second best zone range rating of any CF in MLB, behind --- Brian Anderson. So we wouldn't have to sacrifice defense to add a bat to the lineup. He also has 11 SBs and 0 CSs, which Ozzie would love. Right now we have a ton of players racking up the stats at AAA. If we want to get a deal done, I'm sure SD would be willing. Sure, they like Cameron's D, but it is not as if he's going to be on their team next season. They would deal him in a minute. I've been thinking the same thing. If SD will take a reasonable prospect(s) for him, the Sox should do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Cameron actually has a hit more value to SD than you think. Because Petco's such a spacious park, he's real important out there in CF defensively. So having him patrol CF is going to help their defense and pitching a lot. Plus wasn't there always bad blood when we traded him, and he said he never really wanted to come back here or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I like it, but I don't see it happening. Brady Clark's a better option, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 I thought of Cameron a few days ago, but then dismissed him as an option simply because I knew SD got him specifically to patrol CF in Petco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 09:23 PM) They really need a 3B. I wish we had one who was leading the IL in OPS. I wouldn't deal Fields for a stop gap like Cameron. No way. Now, if it was for Linebrink and Cesar Carillo.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 10, 2006 -> 07:26 PM) I wouldn't deal Fields for a stop gap like Cameron. No way. Now, if it was for Linebrink and Cesar Carillo.... You could even include Jon Garland in on the discussions. He's a California boy, so I don't think he would veto a trade there. Pitching at PETCO would help him immensely. If you offered Garland and Fields, you could get back Linebrink, Carillo and some more prospects or include another bullpen guy like Scott Cassidy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 06:46 PM) Cameron actually has a hit more value to SD than you think. Because Petco's such a spacious park, he's real important out there in CF defensively. So having him patrol CF is going to help their defense and pitching a lot. Plus wasn't there always bad blood when we traded him, and he said he never really wanted to come back here or something? I wouldn't worry about bad blood when he was traded. Back in those days, and even now, with a couple exceptions, most players have left the Sox with a sour taste in their mouth. Guys like Ozzie and Cora, and Kittle, and Melton all are associated with the team, and they all left on horrible terms. Besides, I don't think Cameron can block a trade. I don't think SD would trade him though, unless the Sox gave them something useful this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 (edited) No way Cameron for a legitimate prospect. We acquire Cameron for Class A turd(s), nothing else. Edited June 10, 2006 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted June 11, 2006 Author Share Posted June 11, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ Jun 10, 2006 -> 05:59 PM) No way Cameron for a legitimate prospect. We acquire Cameron for Class A turd(s), nothing else. They wouldn't give up Cameron for peanuts. I wouldn't give up a potential star either, but I would give up a pitcher like Lopez and an outfielder like Jerry Owens in a second. If they want a major leaguer, they could have Ross Gload too. His line drive hitting wouldn't suffer in Petco that much. Cameron would look tremendous hitting anywhere from 7th-9th in our lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 QUOTE(VAfan @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 06:46 PM) They wouldn't give up Cameron for peanuts. I wouldn't give up a potential star either, but I would give up a pitcher like Lopez and an outfielder like Jerry Owens in a second. If they want a major leaguer, they could have Ross Gload too. His line drive hitting wouldn't suffer in Petco that much. Cameron would look tremendous hitting anywhere from 7th-9th in our lineup. Why would they trade thier defensive specialist in Cameron anyway? They have absolutely no one who can play defense anywhere near as well as he can on their current roster. There's a reason why they game up Xavier for this guy they need his excellent defense in their huge OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 QUOTE(VAfan @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 06:46 PM) They wouldn't give up Cameron for peanuts. I wouldn't give up a potential star either, but I would give up a pitcher like Lopez and an outfielder like Jerry Owens in a second. NEWSFLASH! Lopez = Not a prospect. Not even a good pitcher. Owens = 4th outfielder, who's hitting .225 with zero power in his first exposure to AAA pitching. That package is less than peanuts. It's more in the neighborhood of pressed peanut sweepings. mmmmmmmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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