Steve9347 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 (edited) this was said about 2 minutes ago by Dan Bernstein, whom I do like, btw... "This team, the Chicago White Sox, will not win the World Series with this group." Um, ok Dan. Let's see, who is better than the White Sox even if they have questions? the Tigers? No. the Yankees? No. the Red Sox? No. the Rangers? No. the Mets? No. the Reds? No. I mean, they may be having their problems, but the White Sox still match up well with anyone, and are as much a "World Series team" as anyone else. Edited June 9, 2006 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 02:39 PM) this was said about 2 minutes ago by Dan Bernstein, whom I do like, btw... Um, ok Dan. Let's see, who is better than the White Sox even if they have questions? the Tigers? No. the Yankees? No. the Red Sox? No. the Rangers? No. the Mets? No. the Reds? No. I mean, they may be having their problems, but the White Sox still match up well with anyone, and are as much a "World Series team" as anyone else. He's not an idiot. I sort of agree with him. Having junk in CF, a very shaky bullpen, and inconsistent starters is not in my mind a recipe for a return to the World Series. This team has to get a lot better in terms of fundamental play if we want it to make thte WS again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 They can win another world series with every single person on their 25 man roster right now, if some of those guys get their heads out of their asses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoRowand33 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 its all opinion it's a matter of taking care of business in october, and its way to early to predict anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Bernstein is correct IMO. If Montero is going to see the mound in crucial situations, there's trouble ahead. If Mackowiak is going to be your primary CF, there's trouble ahead. If Anderson can't hit his weight, there is trouble ahead. The Sox have a good record, but while everyone was talking about the weakness of schedule Detroit had, they failed to notice the Sox schedule was actually weaker. Not many changes have to be made, but some do. The bullpen needs another arm or 2, maybe 3 if Garland continues his awful performance and BMac goes into the rotation. CF needs to be ironed out. Either Anderson starts hitting or a CF must be acquired. The starting pitching also has to do a little better IMO. Get a CF, and 2 relievers and the Sox should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(GoRowand33 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 01:54 PM) its all opinion it's a matter of taking care of business in october, and its way to early to predict anything Actually, you have to get to October first, and again, if a couple of guys on this team keep their heads up their asses, that may be in jeopardy too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 i agree with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 01:46 PM) They can win another world series with every single person on their 25 man roster right now, if some of those guys get their heads out of their asses. ditto they've shown flashes of what they're capable of doing when they put it together and get on a roll. No team is without weaknesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 03:55 PM) Actually, you have to get to October first, and again, if a couple of guys on this team keep their heads up their asses, that may be in jeopardy too. Good lord shut up. They're 36-23, the second best in the league while people on this board seem to think they're playing like "s***". It'd take a tragedy for this White Sox team NOT to make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(BobDylan @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 02:09 PM) Good lord shut up. They're 36-23, the second best in the league while people on this board seem to think they're playing like "s***". It'd take a tragedy for this White Sox team NOT to make the playoffs. They're also ahead in the wild card race by exactly 1 game. It doesn't take a tragedy for the Red Sox to overcome 1 game. We're also only 1/2 game ahead of the Yankees. If we were playing smart baseball and going 5-8 in our last 13, I wouldn't be angry at all, but we're not. We are playing with our heads up our asses. That has to change now, otherwise, it'll be Boston fans who say it's a tragedy for their team to not make the playoffs. Edited June 9, 2006 by Balta1701 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 (edited) Stupid comments and Dan Bernstein are synonymous. Edited June 9, 2006 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 They said the same crap last year and they were wrong. His comments seemed to be directed at the hitters, but we all know the problem is really with the pitching. At any rate, the comment was stupid, IMO. This team can win if they play smarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangar18 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Hey I agree with him. This Group will not win. It will be the Mackowiaks, Andersons, awful bullpen, inconsistency of Garland/Buehrle that will eventually do us in. Horrible lack of fundamentals is exposing the bullpen even more. Hes right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 As of right now, I actually agree with Bernstein. Which I'm sure comes as no surprise to certain members. Doesn't mean things can't change. Every year there's a team which arises from below .500 to make the playoffs. A team which practically everyone with an opinion dismissed. Or a collection of players who pitch/hit out of their minds for one half of a season. At the least, there's the possibility players such as Politte or Garland may correct themselves. Obviously, our bullpen has issues recording outs; and the rotation can hardly string together several quality outings in a row. I just don't like the idea that we shouldn't be worried because "other teams have holes as well." I absolutely hate that approach. It's essentially accepting crap because others have crap as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangar18 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(BobDylan @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 04:09 PM) Good lord shut up. They're 36-23, the second best in the league while people on this board seem to think they're playing like "s***". It'd take a tragedy for this White Sox team NOT to make the playoffs. Tragedy? This isnt the National League. There are a handful of teams capable of going all the way, and the SOX will have to maneuver all of them. Going 3-6 against the Indians isnt going to get it done. I have respect for the other very good ballclubs in the league/division, and if the SOX keep this up, wont be anywhere near the playoffs come October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I believe Bernstein said last season that the White Sox wouldn't win last season with Juan Uribe as their starting shortstop. (he may have been off by a year) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 09:13 PM) Stupid comments and Dan Bernstein are synonymous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 He also said you can't win a World Series with Juan Uribe as your starting SS last year, and that we'd miss the playoffs because Cleveland was better. Bernstein is an over emotional Sox fan, even moreso that the biggest die hards around here, so ignore his White Sox panic nonsense. The fact this team is this flawed right now and is still only 1.5 games behind the team with the best record in baseball is a GOOD thing. Give Ozzie, Kenny, and some of these guys time.....things will improve. And if we started a thread for every stupid comment by Dan Bernstein, bandwith would be hard to come by . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I'm going to agree with Bernstein. We aren't going to win with Mack as our everyday CF. We're not going to win with Pods hitting as bad as he is. We're not going to win with Uribe if he can't even put down a bunt. We're not going to win if Greg Walker continues to tell him not to do the leg kick which was very stupid. We're not going to win with Buehrle and Garland being inconsistant. We're not going to win with all the constant brainfarts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 05:15 PM) I'm going to agree with Bernstein. We aren't going to win with Mack as our everyday CF. We're not going to win with Pods hitting as bad as he is. We're not going to win with Uribe if he can't even put down a bunt. We're not going to win if Greg Walker continues to tell him not to do the leg kick which was very stupid. We're not going to win with Buehrle and Garland being inconsistant. We're not going to win with all the constant brainfarts. Those are all problems, but Mack will not be our everyday CF on August 1st, guaranteed. Buehrle is going to be fine, you and I both know that (and as soon as we have a CF everyday that doesn't suck on defense, that will help). Garland is a 5th starter, and our record in his starts is decent. He's been bad, but isn't the problem. Pods OBP is still at the same level it was last year, even with his current low average, so you know he's going to get that average and OBP back up too. The bunting concerns me......but that can be fixed, as can the brainfarts, which also concern me. This team right now is out of sync, stupid, and dumb. And we're STILL 1.5 games behind the best record in the game. Think about what happens when Kenny makes his move, and we get in sync, and we are more consistent in general? Bernstein will defend his comment by loopholes like "I said the team RIGHT NOW". Well of course we're not looking great RIGHT NOW, we aren't playing well. But a lot of people (ironic for ME to say this) need to calm the hell down. Last year was a fluke in the sense we built that 15 game lead, and went 11-1 in the playoffs. It's almost NEVER that easy, we're just taking a more conventional route filled with lots of bumps and struggles this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 04:15 PM) Hey I agree with him. This Group will not win. It will be the Mackowiaks, Andersons, awful bullpen, inconsistency of Garland/Buehrle that will eventually do us in. Horrible lack of fundamentals is exposing the bullpen even more. Hes right. Hang on, how is this bullpen awful? its not that bad people, Cliff really skews it. it might just be one piece shy. Lets do a little run down. Bobby Jenks - Dominate, he looks to have returned to midseason form, simply put NASTY! 3.20ERA, 17/18 saves, 32SO, 7BB 1IBB , 1.11WHIP Matt Thornton - 98mph fastball and Left Handed!, looks to have turned a corner under Coop. Give him some more time he has already had more success here than he ever had with Seatle, and look how good Jose came on after the second half, it takes time. 4.50ERA, 19SO, 9BB 3IBB, 1.44WHIP Neal Cotts - Simply put hes good, not nearly as good as last year but still good. 3.42ERA, 14SO, 7BB 1IBB, 1.14WHIP Brandon McCarthy - With consistant work hes dominating when he gets a feel for his change/curve, i along with other feel Ozzie has mishandled him thus far. 5.01ERA, 21SO, 10BB 2IBB, 1.30WHIP Agustin Montero - Is not the answer , hes a former juicer and a AAAA for life, BUST! Sean Tracey - Its make or break time for Sean with regards to the SOX, he has great "stuff" but the one thing that has eluded him in his career thus far is comand, under Coop i think that will change and he will live up to his potential. Cliff Politte - If he has truly been hurt, and thats the reason for this DL stint and not inflamed ERA(7.40), then maybe he can comeback and be the Cliff of '04/'02 and if he can do that this bullpen might have solved itself, because last year was definatly a career year and im thankful for it. So in ending with the bullpen its not that bad as it looks. As you stated the starting pitching has underachieved and there have been some defensive lapses that have exposed are weaker points. Also the offense at times has slumped , that hasn't helped. I'd look at this team as a glass half full, we're 36-23 and we haven't even clicked on all levels, hopefully that will change in the near future and when it does watch out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 QUOTE(beautox @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 05:41 PM) Hang on, how is this bullpen awful? its not that bad people, Cliff really skews it. it might just be one piece shy. Lets do a little run down. Bobby Jenks - Dominate, he looks to have returned to midseason form, simply put NASTY! 3.20ERA, 17/18 saves, 32SO, 7BB 1IBB , 1.11WHIP Matt Thornton - 98mph fastball and Left Handed!, looks to have turned a corner under Coop. Give him some more time he has already had more success here than he ever had with Seatle, and look how good Jose came on after the second half, it takes time. 4.50ERA, 19SO, 9BB 3IBB, 1.44WHIP Neal Cotts - Simply put hes good, not nearly as good as last year but still good. 3.42ERA, 14SO, 7BB 1IBB, 1.14WHIP Brandon McCarthy - With consistant work hes dominating when he gets a feel for his change/curve, i along with other feel Ozzie has mishandled him thus far. 5.01ERA, 21SO, 10BB 2IBB, 1.30WHIP Agustin Montero - Is not the answer , hes a former juicer and a AAAA for life, BUST! Sean Tracey - Its make or break time for Sean with regards to the SOX, he has great "stuff" but the one thing that has eluded him in his career thus far is comand, under Coop i think that will change and he will live up to his potential. Cliff Politte - If he has truly been hurt, and thats the reason for this DL stint and not inflamed ERA(7.40), then maybe he can comeback and be the Cliff of '04/'02 and if he can do that this bullpen might have solved itself, because last year was definatly a career year and im thankful for it. So in ending with the bullpen its not that bad as it looks. As you stated the starting pitching has underachieved and there have been some defensive lapses that have exposed are weaker points. Also the offense at times has slumped , that hasn't helped. I'd look at this team as a glass half full, we're 36-23 and we haven't even clicked on all levels, hopefully that will change in the near future and when it does watch out. You post their ERA's and expect us to change our opinions on the bullpen? In fact, I think it's way worse than what I thought before you posted this. The bullpen is a problem. SS is a problem. CF is a problem. I'd say Garland/Buehrle are the least of their problems, but I'd like to see some consistancy out of them. Quite simply though, right now this team isn't playing championship caliber and hasn't played for 90% of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxHawk1980 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I just wanted to chime in that I also think that the White Sox as they are currently constituted can't/won't win the WS this year. There are more holes in the bullpen than there are good pitchers. Plus, SS and CF aren't just holes; they are voids. Most good teams with holes have players hitting under .250 in a position. We have a couple starters under the Mendoza Line. Also, Garland is pitching like a bad #5 starter and Garcia is pitching like an ok #4 starter. These things don't add up to even getting to the WS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Just for the record, Juan Uribe is currently hitting .201 which is in fact >.200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxHawk1980 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Just for the record, Juan Uribe is currently hitting .201 which is in fact >.200. I stand corrected by .002. Let's say that he's AT the Mendoza Line. And one more collar tonight and he's under the line again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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