nitetrain8601 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 06:57 PM) I just wanted to chime in that I also think that the White Sox as they are currently constituted can't/won't win the WS this year. There are more holes in the bullpen than there are good pitchers. Plus, SS and CF aren't just holes; they are voids. Most good teams with holes have players hitting under .250 in a position. We have a couple starters under the Mendoza Line. Also, Garland is pitching like a bad #5 starter and Garcia is pitching like an ok #4 starter. These things don't add up to even getting to the WS. I disagree about Garland. He's pitching like a pretty good 5th starter despite how bad the rest of the starters are making him look. Garland would probably be a 4 on most playoff teams and a 3 or even 2 on bad teams. His inconsistancy is what is killing him this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 07:13 PM) I disagree about Garland. He's pitching like a pretty good 5th starter despite how bad the rest of the starters are making him look. Garland would probably be a 4 on most playoff teams and a 3 or even 2 on bad teams. His inconsistancy is what is killing him this year. That is just ridiculous, inconsistency does not lead a pitcher to a 6.19 ERA and a 1.48 WHIP on June 9th. s***ty pitching does. A 5th starter gets you a 4.50 ERA and a 1.30 WHIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 It's very very VERY easy to "predict" that a team won't win the World Series because the only way you're wrong is if the team goes all the way. I'd put at least some stock in what Bernstein said if he had told us all which team WILL win the World Series and why. Here's my prediction, by the way: 29 teams will NOT win the World Series with the teams they've got this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 05:46 PM) A 5th starter gets you a 4.50 ERA and a 1.30 WHIP. If you're lucky. In the AL, I'll bet that a lot of #5's are in the 4.70-4.80 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 10:34 PM) If you're lucky. In the AL, I'll bet that a lot of #5's are in the 4.70-4.80 range. I'm saying for this team those are the types of numbers you should be gettting from your 5th starter at worst, seeing how they have a potential big time starter comming out of the pen right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 10:34 PM) If you're lucky. In the AL, I'll bet that a lot of #5's are in the 4.70-4.80 range. Hell, I was gonna say even a 4.90-5.00 even. Garland isn't even close to that right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 good thing bernstein decided to step out on a limb. i guess this is the kind of ironclad analysis we can expect from a duke grad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 08:42 PM) I'm saying for this team those are the types of numbers you should be gettting from your 5th starter at worst Not only that, but for someone who is being paid to pitch like a #3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 10:46 PM) Not only that, but for someone who is being paid to pitch like a #3. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 One bullpen arm away from being a lock to win it all IMO. I don't see CF as an issue at all. With the lineup we have, I will easily take BA's average in the 9 spot and his great defense over Mackowiak who may contribute to an extra run and then give up 3. FYI, there were stretches when Rowand was just as bad last year, except we now added Thome to that lineup. The bullpen is the issue (in part due to injuries), and that would look better if the starting pitching would look better, but I'm not sweating the pitching because they have been good enough to keep on pace with last year, which means a playoff lock, so they can save it when they're important. There is one team in front of us, the Tigers, who we own (5-1, much better stat than standings in early June), and they've been looking like Enron lately. Besides, looking at the standings now doesn't mean anything, I thought people would actually learn from the satisfaction of October that it's a 162 game haul, and not go "OMG this thing is ours, (insert team we beat) is so overrated, they suck" when we win a game, and then question if we'll make the playoffs when we lose one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balance Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 I don't agree with Bernstein about this group. This group can certainly get into October and win. However, with this group playing, as it is, way below their ability, they won't get to October or win there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UC76 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Bernstein is a smug prick. He's the type of a-hole who makes up for a lack of self-esteem being smarmy and making fun of others constantly. He rips people to make himself feel better. He walways takes the negative route. I used to find him kind of funny until I realized he's smarmy and arrogant all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 We have a situation in CF where we have a great defense -no hit guy and one who can hit but is a poor cf'er. The bullpen does great one game and sucks the next. The starting pitching can be over powering as we have seen for a good stretch of games earlier this year, but they are now struggling. They give up way to many homers and walks. The teams as a whole has played some shaky defense at times. But, it's early June and we are 1/2 game out. Sometimes, for wahtever reasons, it takes time for things to gel. I think we will be in the WS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 07:46 PM) That is just ridiculous, inconsistency does not lead a pitcher to a 6.19 ERA and a 1.48 WHIP on June 9th. s***ty pitching does. A 5th starter gets you a 4.50 ERA and a 1.30 WHIP. It has been inconsistancy that's lead to that. He's had a few decent starts and he's had a few starts where he's gotten rocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 QUOTE(UC76 @ Jun 10, 2006 -> 03:18 PM) Bernstein is a smug prick. He's the type of a-hole who makes up for a lack of self-esteem being smarmy and making fun of others constantly. He rips people to make himself feel better. He walways takes the negative route. I used to find him kind of funny until I realized he's smarmy and arrogant all the time. Translation: I called the show, and they made me feel like an imbecile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 10, 2006 -> 06:48 PM) Translation: I called the show, and they made me feel like an imbecile. And yet UC76's comments still hold truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 dan bernstein is an annoying idiot i would rather read a crappy Mariotti than listen to bernstein QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 9, 2006 -> 10:42 PM) I'm saying for this team those are the types of numbers you should be gettting from your 5th starter at worst, seeing how they have a potential big time starter comming out of the pen right now. yea, i think it would be a good move to switch Garland and McCarthy's roles. Garland would probably b****, but wtf... he's sucking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 They definitely still have a legit shot to win it all, although I'd feel a lot better if they added a decent righty in the bullpen. I'm not all that worried about anything else. Virtually every team out there has other issues that are more significant than ours. Detroit has a young pitching staff (outside of Rogers) that is unpredictable. They have talent, but you don't know what you're going to get from them in a high pressure situation. They also lack a proven, domiant closer, and their lineup loses a lot if one of their injury prone veterans goes down. Boston's starting pitching is still an issue. Schilling is back, but Wakefield is mediocre, Beckett is injury prone and inconsistent, and Matt Clement has been brutal. New York has Serious injury issues. Matsui and Sheffield might not be back to form this year. The starting pitching is also a serious issue for them. Mussina has been good, but Johnson is still way off, and the rest of their rotation is a joke. Cleveland's starting rotation is a mess outside of Sabathia. The bullpen also has struggled, and their defense is pretty weak. We're easily in the best shape of any of those teams, outside of being virtually even with Detroit. Those are the major threats that everyone seems to be worried about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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