greg775 Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 Four hits vs. the Dodgers. Way to swing those bats, boys! I hope the reports are true from that radio station that Manuel is gone by the end of this trip. He isn't the whole problem of course but it will be nice to get him the hell off the bench. Hopefully when he's canned he'll blast Kenny Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 Pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 Hey Im surprised that we even got a hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 This team is a f***ing joke. I'd be willing to bet our AAA team would get at least 4 hits off of the team LA sent out there tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 I was still supporting Manuel up through last night, but after another turn around in the offesne and only 4 hits, after 11 Thursday night, I think someone is gone. Since no team wants a hitter that can't hit there won't be any trades made and that leaves only Manuel to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 This team can't even hit with one of Shammy's corked bats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 This team can't even hit with one of Shammy's corked bats I wonder if the Sox even hit when they take batting practice........ CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 Firing manuel does nothing. Manuel, Kenny, Schafer, JR and even Cooper need to go. Major Shake up. But i'm afariad that until EL CHEAPO SELLS where not going anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 This team can't even hit with one of Shammy's corked bats Shamme will have some time on his hands, think he could cork a few for the guys . . . In a week or two the bats are going really get going, the pitching will suck and we'll start losing 8-6 instead of 2-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 At least no one is no longer talking about all the "talent" we have. Offensively, this is a very low-talent team. But I am always looking for something positive, and Joe Crede had two hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndySoxFan Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 i laugh that i would not cry.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 Sometimes teams win a series or two when they get a new manager. Florida has looked pretty good lately.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 You know how you have a little hurt and you keep pressing on it so it hurts a little more? PLEASE keep JM and KW and play PK more and I love that aggressive baserunning, clueless fielding, dp balls, . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 You know how you have a little hurt and you keep pressing on it so it hurts a little more? PLEASE keep JM and KW and play PK more and I love that aggressive baserunning, clueless fielding, dp balls, . . . PK has hardly played for a week now... Thomas has started at 1B every game in interleague play. Find a new whipping boy for the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 *Eye-roll*....Let's put it this way: if you were to as ANY self-respecting scout, hitting coach or a manager a following question: "Do you think Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Lee, Paul Konerko and Joe Crede are gifted hitters with high ceiling or are they in fact overrated low-talents?" How many do you think would go with the former? I didn't see the game last night so I don't know if Crede's hits were flukes or not, but the (grim, sad) reality remains: Konerko OPS (1999-2002) - 855 Konerko OPS (2003) - 560 Lee OPS (00-02) - 825 Lee OPS (2003) - 775 Maggs OPS (00-02) -940 Maggs OPS (2003) -800 Crede OPS (2002) -825 Crede OPS (2003) -560 Lee was 23-25 during his "talented days"; Maggs 26-28; Joe 24; and Koney 24-26........... DO YOU THINK THOSE HITTERS TOPPED OUT AT THE TENDER MEDIAN AGE OF 25? No. But in Konerkos case... hes hurt. and hes lost it. HE just had a couple decent years due to the lineup hes playing in. Maggs is having a decent year... would be much better if poeple got on base. Crede - ITS HIS FIRST FULL YEAR! give the kid some time damit. As for lee. He'll never be the player we had hoped for him to be. I think hes gonna stay about where he is right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 At least no one is no longer talking about all the "talent" we have. Offensively, this is a very low-talent team. But I am always looking for something positive, and Joe Crede had two hits. REPOSTED: *Eye-roll*....Let's put it this way: coming into this season if you were to ask ANY self-respecting scout, hitting coach or a manager a following question: "Do you think Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Lee, Paul Konerko and Joe Crede are gifted hitters with high ceiling or are they in fact overrated low-talents?" How many do you think would go with the former? I didn't see the game last night so I don't know if Crede's hits were flukes or not, but the (grim, sad) reality remains: Konerko OPS (1999-2002) - 855 Konerko OPS (2003) - 560 Lee OPS (00-02) - 825 Lee OPS (2003) - 765 Maggs OPS (00-02) -940 Maggs OPS (2003) -800 Crede OPS (2002) -825 Crede OPS (2003) -560 If that doesn't fall into "severe underachieving" in your book, then what does? Lee was 23-25 during his "talented days"; Maggs 26-28; Joe 24; and Koney 24-26...........DO YOU THINK THOSE HITTERS TOPPED OUT AT THE TENDER MEDIAN AGE OF 25? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 So does anyone else out there think this team is not talented and performing at the level that was expected coming into this season? Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 So does anyone else out there think this team is not talented and performing at the level that was expected coming into this season? Anyone? ME. Well i thought theyd be a little better than this, but not much. Of course i thought the hitting would be much better, and the pitching worse. It cancels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 REPOSTED: *Eye-roll*....Let's put it this way: coming into this season if you were to ask ANY self-respecting scout, hitting coach or a manager a following question: "Do you think Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Lee, Paul Konerko and Joe Crede are gifted hitters with high ceiling or are they in fact overrated low-talents?" How many do you think would go with the former? I didn't see the game last night so I don't know if Crede's hits were flukes or not, but the (grim, sad) reality remains: Konerko OPS (1999-2002) - 855 Konerko OPS (2003) - 560 Lee OPS (00-02) - 825 Lee OPS (2003) - 765 Maggs OPS (00-02) -940 Maggs OPS (2003) -800 Crede OPS (2002) -825 Crede OPS (2003) -560 If that doesn't fall into "severe underachieving" in your book, then what does? Lee was 23-25 during his "talented days"; Maggs 26-28; Joe 24; and Koney 24-26...........DO YOU THINK THOSE HITTERS TOPPED OUT AT THE TENDER MEDIAN AGE OF 25? last time i checked you won or lost with 25 guys, not 4. Yes those players are underachieving, so what? The fact remains, this team has about average talent, and below average winning spirit. Their record speaks for itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 So does anyone else out there think this team is not talented and performing at the level that was expected coming into this season? Anyone? Absolutely. There is too much empiracle evidence to say that this year is a blip on the radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 I'm stunned by the failure of our hitters so far this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 REPOSTED: *Eye-roll*....Let's put it this way: coming into this season if you were to ask ANY self-respecting scout, hitting coach or a manager a following question: "Do you think Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Lee, Paul Konerko and Joe Crede are gifted hitters with high ceiling or are they in fact overrated low-talents?" How many do you think would go with the former? I didn't see the game last night so I don't know if Crede's hits were flukes or not, but the (grim, sad) reality remains: Konerko OPS (1999-2002) - 855 Konerko OPS (2003) - 560 Lee OPS (00-02) - 825 Lee OPS (2003) - 765 Maggs OPS (00-02) -940 Maggs OPS (2003) -800 Crede OPS (2002) -825 Crede OPS (2003) -560 If that doesn't fall into "severe underachieving" in your book, then what does? Lee was 23-25 during his "talented days"; Maggs 26-28; Joe 24; and Koney 24-26...........DO YOU THINK THOSE HITTERS TOPPED OUT AT THE TENDER MEDIAN AGE OF 25? last time i checked you won or lost with 25 guys, not 4. Yes those players are underachieving, so what? The fact remains, this team has about average talent, and below average winning spirit. Their record speaks for itself. 1. I think you're not getting something here- if those four perform anywhere near their capabilities (as shown by the 3-4-year breakdown), Sox are 12+ games over .500. Easily. 2. Our pitching has been pretty solid, certainly better than in 2000. Check the stats, then add to it the fact that Koch and White can only improve at this point...The problem is the offense, specifically what we are not getting from our LF-RF-1B-3B spots....you simply can't argue with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 REPOSTED: *Eye-roll*....Let's put it this way: coming into this season if you were to ask ANY self-respecting scout, hitting coach or a manager a following question: "Do you think Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Lee, Paul Konerko and Joe Crede are gifted hitters with high ceiling or are they in fact overrated low-talents?" How many do you think would go with the former? I didn't see the game last night so I don't know if Crede's hits were flukes or not, but the (grim, sad) reality remains: Konerko OPS (1999-2002) - 855 Konerko OPS (2003) - 560 Lee OPS (00-02) - 825 Lee OPS (2003) - 765 Maggs OPS (00-02) -940 Maggs OPS (2003) -800 Crede OPS (2002) -825 Crede OPS (2003) -560 If that doesn't fall into "severe underachieving" in your book, then what does? Lee was 23-25 during his "talented days"; Maggs 26-28; Joe 24; and Koney 24-26...........DO YOU THINK THOSE HITTERS TOPPED OUT AT THE TENDER MEDIAN AGE OF 25? last time i checked you won or lost with 25 guys, not 4. Yes those players are underachieving, so what? The fact remains, this team has about average talent, and below average winning spirit. Their record speaks for itself. 1. I think you're not getting something here- if those four perform anywhere near their capabilities (as shown by the 3-4-year breakdown), Sox are 12+ games over .500. Easily. 2. Our pitching has been pretty solid, certainly better than in 2000. Check the stats, then add to it the fact that Koch and White can only improve at this point...The problem is the offense, specifically what we are not getting from our LF-RF-1B-3B spots....you simply can't argue with that. I will repeat myself. Those 4 players HAVE let me down, and other players are doing better than expected. Overall, based on record alone, the sox are performing a little worse than i expected. Of late? They are horrifying me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 REPOSTED: *Eye-roll*....Let's put it this way: coming into this season if you were to ask ANY self-respecting scout, hitting coach or a manager a following question: "Do you think Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Lee, Paul Konerko and Joe Crede are gifted hitters with high ceiling or are they in fact overrated low-talents?" How many do you think would go with the former? I didn't see the game last night so I don't know if Crede's hits were flukes or not, but the (grim, sad) reality remains: Konerko OPS (1999-2002) - 855 Konerko OPS (2003) - 560 Lee OPS (00-02) - 825 Lee OPS (2003) - 765 Maggs OPS (00-02) -940 Maggs OPS (2003) -800 Crede OPS (2002) -825 Crede OPS (2003) -560 If that doesn't fall into "severe underachieving" in your book, then what does? Lee was 23-25 during his "talented days"; Maggs 26-28; Joe 24; and Koney 24-26...........DO YOU THINK THOSE HITTERS TOPPED OUT AT THE TENDER MEDIAN AGE OF 25? last time i checked you won or lost with 25 guys, not 4. Yes those players are underachieving, so what? The fact remains, this team has about average talent, and below average winning spirit. Their record speaks for itself. 1. I think you're not getting something here- if those four perform anywhere near their capabilities (as shown by the 3-4-year breakdown), Sox are 12+ games over .500. Easily. 2. Our pitching has been pretty solid, certainly better than in 2000. Check the stats, then add to it the fact that Koch and White can only improve at this point...The problem is the offense, specifically what we are not getting from our LF-RF-1B-3B spots....you simply can't argue with that. I will repeat myself. Those 4 players HAVE let me down, and other players are doing better than expected. Overall, based on record alone, the sox are performing a little worse than i expected. Of late? They are horrifying me. ON offense who is preforming better than expected? MAYBE Jimenez, but after that???? And of of the starting pitching only Loiaza has out preformed. Out of the pen, I would have to say Wunsch and Marte have surprised, but with Martes last year numbers maybe it is time to say that he is just that good. So really there are two overachievers so far out of 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 REPOSTED: *Eye-roll*....Let's put it this way: coming into this season if you were to ask ANY self-respecting scout, hitting coach or a manager a following question: "Do you think Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Lee, Paul Konerko and Joe Crede are gifted hitters with high ceiling or are they in fact overrated low-talents?" How many do you think would go with the former? I didn't see the game last night so I don't know if Crede's hits were flukes or not, but the (grim, sad) reality remains: Konerko OPS (1999-2002) - 855 Konerko OPS (2003) - 560 Lee OPS (00-02) - 825 Lee OPS (2003) - 765 Maggs OPS (00-02) -940 Maggs OPS (2003) -800 Crede OPS (2002) -825 Crede OPS (2003) -560 If that doesn't fall into "severe underachieving" in your book, then what does? Lee was 23-25 during his "talented days"; Maggs 26-28; Joe 24; and Koney 24-26...........DO YOU THINK THOSE HITTERS TOPPED OUT AT THE TENDER MEDIAN AGE OF 25? last time i checked you won or lost with 25 guys, not 4. Yes those players are underachieving, so what? The fact remains, this team has about average talent, and below average winning spirit. Their record speaks for itself. 1. I think you're not getting something here- if those four perform anywhere near their capabilities (as shown by the 3-4-year breakdown), Sox are 12+ games over .500. Easily. 2. Our pitching has been pretty solid, certainly better than in 2000. Check the stats, then add to it the fact that Koch and White can only improve at this point...The problem is the offense, specifically what we are not getting from our LF-RF-1B-3B spots....you simply can't argue with that. I will repeat myself. Those 4 players HAVE let me down, and other players are doing better than expected. Overall, based on record alone, the sox are performing a little worse than i expected. Of late? They are horrifying me. ON offense who is preforming better than expected? MAYBE Jimenez, but after that???? And of of the starting pitching only Loiaza has out preformed. Out of the pen, I would have to say Wunsch and Marte have surprised, but with Martes last year numbers maybe it is time to say that he is just that good. So really there are two overachievers so far out of 25. k and like 3 or 4 overachievers. Like i said, we are doing worse than expected, but not at the level Brando is saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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