Should the KKK be allowed to protest at historical sites?

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Oh, I get it. You just want free handouts at the expense of everyone else. Thanks for clarifying.

 

Yep, you caught me. I want free handouts along with hating myself.

 

Having words put in my mouth is definitely a pet peeve though...No need to resort to that no matter how upset you got...

 

But the thought of white male oppression still seems funny to me.

[WCSox]

Having words put in my mouth is definitely a pet peeve though...No need to resort to that no matter how upset you got...

 

Since you won't respond my questions, I had to try to get an answer out of you somehow.

 

But the thought of white male oppression still seems funny to me. laugh.gif

 

And why is that? (Try to actually answer this time.)

 

Typical liberal: It's all fun and games to illogically stick it to "the system" because you, as a part of that same system, haven't been targeted yet. But when it DOES happen to you, you might not think it's so funny.

Edited June 14, 2006 by WCSox

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Since you won't respond my questions, I had to try to get an answer out of you somehow.

And why is that? (Try to actually answer this time.)

 

So you honestly think white males are an oppressed group nowadays?? Sounds like a huge overexaggeration, in my opinion.

 

The privileges and perks far outweigh whatever minor hurdles come about, again, in my opinion.

 

You're trying to equate the obstacles that minorities (race, gender, age, whatever) may face with those that come about for white males, and I just don't see that way.

 

(Try to not resort to childish tactics like putting words in my mouth next time.)

 

Typical liberal: It's all fun and games to illogically stick it to "the system" because you, as a part of that same system, haven't been targeted yet. But when it DOES happen to you, you might not think it's so funny.

 

lol...

 

Some of you are so quick to label. I don't nor have I ever claimed any sort of political affiliation; just stating my opinions.

[WCSox]

So you honestly think white males are an oppressed group nowadays?? Sounds like a huge overexaggeration, in my opinion.

 

I never used the word "oppressed." What were you saying about putting words in one's mouth? :rolly

 

The privileges and perks far outweigh whatever minor hurdles come about, again, in my opinion.

 

So, having a job and being able to feed your family and pay your mortgage/rent is a "minor hurdle"?

 

You're trying to equate the obstacles that minorities (race, gender, age, whatever) may face with those that come about for white males, and I just don't see that way.

 

Exactly what "obstacles" do minorities face today? College scholarships? Graduate fellowships? Preferential treatment with regard to job offers and college admissions? Prefferential treatment in the workplace?

 

(Try to not resort to childish tactics like putting words in my mouth next time.)

 

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I hurt your feelings?

 

 

lol...

 

Some of you are so quick to label. I don't nor have I ever claimed any sort of political affiliation; just stating my blatantly liberal opinions.

 

Fixed

Edited June 14, 2006 by WCSox

[NorthSideSox72]

I'm going to say here that the whole use of the terms "liberal" and "right-wing" and all those other labels are growing tiresome. Its childish, petty and lacking in any sort of intelligent thought. The insults are getting old, and so is the demonization of anything outside of the poster's party of choice.

 

Being "liberal" isn't some excuse people have for a lack of personal responsibility, any more than being "conservative" is an excuse for leveraging hate in politics. Both are examples only of a minority on either side.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

I never used the word "oppressed." What were you saying about putting words in one's mouth? :rolly

 

 

It was insinuated by your "the tide has turned" comment, unlike your saying that I hate white males (I guess I partly hate myself?). Apparently white males have it worse than minorities did before. Feel free to use your own terminology, but it did sound like you were whining that white males are now being opressed.

 

I still think it's not as bad for white males as the racial discrimination minorities still encounter, and nowhere near as bad as you make it sound.

 

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I hurt your feelings?

 

Fixed

 

[WCSox]

I'm going to say here that the whole use of the terms "liberal" and "right-wing" and all those other labels are growing tiresome. Its childish, petty and lacking in any sort of intelligent thought. The insults are getting old, and so is the demonization of anything outside of the poster's party of choice.

 

Being "liberal" isn't some excuse people have for a lack of personal responsibility, any more than being "conservative" is an excuse for leveraging hate in politics. Both are examples only of a minority on either side.

 

I don't agree with that. The labels "liberal" and "conservative" are used (in a non-derogatory way) all of the time to describe general political philosophies and typically do not refer to extremists (that would be "left-wing" and "right-wing"). I have no problem with people calling me a "conservative." It's what I am.

 

 

It was insinuated by your "the tide has turned" comment, unlike your saying that I hate white males (I guess I partly hate myself?). Apparently white males have it worse than minorities did before. Feel free to use your own terminology, but it did sound like you were whining that white males are now being opressed.

 

Um, no, you were just putting words in my mouth, as you hypocritically accused me of doing.

 

Apparently white males have it worse than minorities did before.

 

I never said that, either. Again, putting words in my mouth.

 

I still think it's not as bad for white males as the racial discrimination minorities still encounter, and nowhere near as bad as you make it sound.

 

Your opinion might mean more if you backed it up with some evidence.

Edited June 14, 2006 by WCSox

[NorthSideSox72]

I don't agree with that. The labels "liberal" and "conservative" are used (in a non-derogatory way) all of the time to describe general political philosophies and typically do not refer to extremists (that would be "left-wing" and "right-wing"). I have no problem with people calling me a "conservative." It's what I am.

 

I think perhaps you missed the point here. What I was commenting on was using either of those terms as insults. Like you were doing to Sleepy in this case, and like what a lot of people here have resorted to. Its as if they just replace "asshole" or "jerk" with "liberal" or "conservative". All that accomplishes is to automatically discount the opinions of half the country, and make you look like you don't have anything material to contribute.

 

You are of course welcome to post whatever you'd like. I'm just exercising my right to point out that I think its childish. And I don't just mean you specifically - not at all.

[WCSox]

I think perhaps you missed the point here. What I was commenting on was using either of those terms as insults. Like you were doing to Sleepy in this case, and like what a lot of people here have resorted to. Its as if they just replace "asshole" or "jerk" with "liberal" or "conservative". All that accomplishes is to automatically discount the opinions of half the country, and make you look like you don't have anything material to contribute.

 

You are of course welcome to post whatever you'd like. I'm just exercising my right to point out that I think its childish. And I don't just mean you specifically - not at all.

 

I did NOT use the word "liberal" as an insult. I used it as a general, non-derogatory label. I couldn't say "Democrat" because I have no idea how he votes.

 

I'm sorry that you misinterpreted my comments.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Your opinion might mean more if you backed it up with some evidence.

 

Alright, I'll let you go first. Back up these two claims of yours about racial discrimination in job hiring and the workplace:

 

If it still does happen today, it doesn't happen very often.

 

In fact, many companies have Affirmative Action-based "quotas" now, where it's OFFICIAL POLICY to discriminate against white males. If anything, the tide has been turned now against male Caucasians.

 

I'd like to hear more about how "if" (so do you mean it might not even happen anymore?) it happens today, it's not very often. I'm also curious to hear more about the "tide turning" against male caucasians (so they are on the verge of facing even more discrimination in the workplace than minorities ever have?).

[WCSox]

Alright, I'll let you go first.

 

Sorry, I already provided many examples of how minorities and women are being given preferrential treatment. It's been "your turn" to provide a concrete example for about 2 hours now.

[NorthSideSox72]

I did NOT use the word "liberal" as an insult. I used it as a general, non-derogatory label. I couldn't say "Democrat" because I have no idea how he votes.

 

I'm sorry that you misinterpreted my comments.

You changed a quote from Sleepy from "my opinions" to "my blatantly liberal opinions", all the while ridiculing his stance. You absolutely used it as an insult.

 

Like I said, you want to do that, go ahead. But if you don't even realize you are doing it, that's kind of sad.

 

I've said my peace and am done on this topic.

Edited June 14, 2006 by NorthSideSox72

[WCSox]

You changed a quote from Sleepy from "my opinions" to "my blatantly liberal opinions",

 

I did that to illustrate the point that her opinion was a stereotypically-liberal one. Again, no personal insult was made. If that were the case, I wouldn't have PM'd Sleepy with a "no offense, I just hate Affirmative Action" message earlier.

 

all the while ridiculing her stance. You absolutely used it as an insult.

 

So, people aren't allowed to attack other people's IDEAS in the "Filibuster" forum? That's news to me. There's a fine line between attacking one's ideas and attacking one personally, and you don't seem to understand the difference.

 

Like I said, you want to do that, go ahead. But if you don't even realize you are doing it, that's kind of sad.

 

No, what's sad is being hyper-sensitive enough to equate calling somebody a "liberal" or "conservative" to calling somebody a "jerk" or "asshole".

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Oh, s***, so now my posts seem feminine??

 

I'm gonna go get wasted after work and pick up a girl just to recover my manhood.

[WCSox]

Oh, s***, so now my posts seem feminine??

 

I'm gonna go get wasted after work and pick up a girl just to recover my manhood.

 

Well, at least THAT issue has been settled.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Sorry, I already provided many examples of how minorities and women are being given preferrential treatment. It's been "your turn" to provide a concrete example for about 2 hours now.

 

Not sure if you want examples of racial discrimination in the workplace or what...You'd have to be living under a rock to not have heard of countless occurances such as Texaco, etc...

Edited June 14, 2006 by SleepyWhiteSox

[WCSox]

Not sure if you want examples of racial discrimination in the workplace or what...You'd have to be living under a rock to not have heard of countless occurances such as Texaco, Mitsubishi, etc...

 

Yep, Texaco got sued because people were using ethnic slurs at work, although there was no evidence of it translating into discrimination in hiring. I don't know as much about Mitsubishi's history although, like I said, I'm sure that minorities and women are still discriminated against. But this isn't exactly 1950's Alabama.

 

And I'm sure everyone here is aware of the Rainbow Coalition's work in blackmailing companies like McDonald's into out-of-court settlements. My former high school will only hire African-American teachers now (haven't hired a Caucasian since the mid-90's)... but the liberal media hasn't said a peep about that one for some reason.

 

But none of this garbage was carried out by people like you or me, yet Affirmative Action deems that we're the ones who are going to pay for it. And that's flat-out wrong.

Edited June 14, 2006 by WCSox