Rotation concerns??

[Gregory Pratt]

Take away Garcia's starts against the Cubs, Twins and Angels, 3 of the weakest offenses, (the Angels were really struggling when the Sox faced them) and what is Garcia's ERA? He wasn't rushed that game vs. Toronto. I happened to be there. He was getting lit up in the 5th. Ozzie left him out there for the win. It almost cost the Sox a win. You have to be concerned about Garcia and Garland. Neither have been that sharp this year. Freddy was on a hot streak for a while, but hasn't won since he beat the Cubs, and has looked bad lately. Garland has been terrible, so terrible that people actually get enthused about a 6 inning 5 ER 3 homerun allowed performance. With the bullpen as weak as it is, the Sox are going to need more out of their starters, although I heard today on ESPN that White Sox starters have pitched the most innings in the major leagues. Its cause for concern. Garcia had 1 or 2 pitches go 94 on the USCF gun today, but most between 89-91. That gun is known to be quick. He also hit 106 on it once.

 

Umm, I was at that Toronto game, too, and he absolutely was rushed. They were rushing to get through the top of the fifth because it was raining incredibly hard. Maybe you weren't watching, but he didn't get "lit up" as much as he couldn't grip well, the hitters couldn't hit well, the field wasn't fit for playing well, and a bad inning was had by all.

[Dick Allen]

Umm, I was at that Toronto game, too, and he absolutely was rushed. They were rushing to get through the top of the fifth because it was raining incredibly hard. Maybe you weren't watching, but he didn't get "lit up" as much as he couldn't grip well, the hitters couldn't hit well, the field wasn't fit for playing well, and a bad inning was had by all.

He was just like tonight. He couldn't throw a strike to save his life. It wasn't raining very hard at the beginning of that inning but he walked a few got behind a few gave up some hits, and it took awhile. That was the game the idiot showed up Iguchi who misplayed a ball because it landed in a puddle. If he just would have thrown strikes the 20 minutes before that, he would have been out of it. That game he wasn't having trouble gripping the ball either. What was his excuse tonight?

Edited June 12, 2006 by Dick Allen

[WCSox]

LOL. You obviously didn't get the point. Let me help you. WE WILL NOT GET TO THE PLAYOFFS WITH LESS THAN 90 WINS. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE ASTROS DID IN A CRAPPY NATIONAL LEAGUE. Get it now?

 

And what makes you so sure that we won't win 90 games or get to the playoffs?

 

Let me help you: IF THE SEASON ENDED TODAY, WE'D BE IN THE PLAYOFFS. WE'RE ALSO ON PACE TO WIN 99 GAMES RIGHT NOW, DESPITE BAD PITCHING AT THE BACK OF OUR ROTATION. Get it now?

 

Try doing your homework next time.

 

 

Horrible. Simply horrible.

 

Yes, your posts certainly are.

[Jordan4life_2007]

And what makes you so sure that we won't win 90 games or get to the playoffs?

 

Let me help you: IF THE SEASON ENDED TODAY, WE'D BE IN THE PLAYOFFS. WE'RE ALSO ON PACE TO WIN 99 GAMES RIGHT NOW, DESPITE BAD PITCHING AT THE BACK OF OUR ROTATION. Get it now?

 

Try doing your homework next time.

 

Who gives a s*** what would happen if the season ended today. If the season ended today, the Tigers, you know, the team that you say sucks, would be division champs. What is your point? We're on pace to win 99 games? lol. Oh, yeah, that makes me feel so much better. I'll just sit back and relax because we're on a 99 win pace. Thanks.

[chisoxfan79]

What's Freddy's numbers if you take away three games against Cleveland.

[WCSox]

Who gives a s*** what would happen if the season ended today. What is your point? We're on pace to win 99 games? lol. Oh, yeah, that makes me feel so much better. I'll just sit back and relax because we're on a 99 win pace. Thanks.

 

You're right. I'd rather read your stupid posts that speculate that we won't win 90 games this season for some illogical reason.

 

If the season ended today, the Tigers, you know, the team that you say sucks, would be division champs.

 

Please show me where I say that the "Tigers suck". :rolly

 

Being blatantly dishonest like that just makes you look that much worse.

Edited June 12, 2006 by WCSox

[shoota]

Why the need for a micro look into our pitchers' performaces when a macro look does just fine:

 

ERA

Buehrle: 3.21

Vazquez: 4.19

Contreras: 2.54

Garcia: 5.13

Garland: 6.19

 

If your ERA is bad, and you raise it by giving up 7 runs in a game, expect others to clamor for someone who can get the f***ing job done.

[southsideirish71]

It might be nice if our pitchers didnt walk guys in front of people like Hafner or Martinez.

 

Garcia and Garland need to stop with the gopher ball fest. Both of them are giving up dongs at an alarming rate.

[WCSox]

Why the need for a micro look into our pitchers' performaces when a macro look does just fine:

 

ERA

Buehrle: 3.21

Vazquez: 4.19

Contreras: 2.54

Garcia: 5.13

Garland: 6.19

 

If your ERA is bad, and you raise it by giving up 7 runs in a game, expect others to clamor for someone who can get the f***ing job done.

 

And just who is going to come in and "get the f***ing job done"? This is the third time I've asked.

[shoota]

And just who is going to come in and "get the f***ing job done"? This is the third time I've asked.

 

Just because I correctly identify that Garcia and Garland are pitching poorly doesn't mean I must find a realistic upgrade for my claim to have merit.

Edited June 12, 2006 by shoota

[Capn12]

In case you missed it, heres more great info to read:

 

Garland 19 HR allowed in 77 IP

Garcia 15 HR allowed in 80.2 IP

 

 

Its safe to say, if Garland doesnt get his head out of his ass, hes got a chance to set some nice records!!

[southsideirish71]

In case you missed it, heres more great info to read:

 

Garland 19 HR allowed in 77 IP

Garcia 15 HR allowed in 80.2 IP

Its safe to say, if Garland doesnt get his head out of his ass, hes got a chance to set some nice records!!

 

 

And Garland is a sinkerball pitcher.

[SoxAce]

In case you missed it, heres more great info to read:

 

Garland 19 HR allowed in 77 IP

Garcia 15 HR allowed in 80.2 IP

Its safe to say, if Garland doesnt get his head out of his ass, hes got a chance to set some nice records!!

 

That really makes Garland look bad cause he's the sinkerball pitcher and Freddy is more of the flyball type.

[elrockinMT]

Buerhle has given up too many hits and walks; Garcia doesn't seem to be able to get out of a game without giving up 4 or 5 runs; Garland has given up more homers than any other starter in the AL and maybe the NL too; Vazquez throws too many pitches and is lucky to last past the 6th; Contreras is the most dependable and has been since late last year. He is our ace as far as I am concerned. The starters need to trust their stuff and quit nibbling around the corners so much. They get two strikes on someone and can't put them away. We have more starting pitching than last year, but the consistency isn't there yet. I hope we can get this problem rectified soon. If we find ourselves in a position needing to trade I would say good bye to Garcia right now. We need another relief pitcher and we can put McCarthy in the starting staff.

[southsideirish71]

I want some reporter to ask the question where has Freddys velocity gone. Its amazing that he just decides to reinvent himself and everyone just smiles and says, look its Freddy the control pitcher. Like that is normal.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I want some reporter to ask the question where has Freddys velocity gone. Its amazing that he just decides to reinvent himself and everyone just smiles and says, look its Freddy the control pitcher. Like that is normal.

 

Well, assuming the ESPN radar gun is accurate, many of his fastballs hit 92-94.

[Rowand44]

Garland sucks right now and Freddy just decided to get behind every god damn hitter today and then he'd have to groove a fastball and it would get nailed. Those two guys worry me everytime out right now.

[GoodAsGould]

Did I miss something? Because last time I checked we had the 2nd best record in the AL and have won the last 2 series against our main competition to win the division. We have been doing all this while the strength of our team(the starting rotation) has under-performed. There is no doubt in my mind that Garcia and Garland will at least pitch better than they are now and we dont face the Indians until Sept I think either..... so it gives us a break against possibly the best hitting team in the AL. Also I'll start worrying about the Tigers when they are able to beat us... so far we have won 5 out of 6 against them.

[Capn12]

Did I miss something? Because last time I checked we had the 2nd best record in the AL and have won the last 2 series against our main competition to win the division. We have been doing all this while the strength of our team(the starting rotation) has under-performed. There is no doubt in my mind that Garcia and Garland will at least pitch better than they are now and we dont face the Indians until Sept I think either..... so it gives us a break against possibly the best hitting team in the AL. Also I'll start worrying about the Tigers when they are able to beat us... so far we have won 5 out of 6 against them.

 

So this wouldn't be a good time for me to reveal Buehrle's splits vs. Winning and Losing teams then I'm guessing....

 

4-1, 1.64 ERA, 1.05 WHIP vs. Losing teams

2-3, 4.73 ERA, 1.51 WHIP vs. Winning teams.

 

And considering that theres a real good chance 3 of the 5 teams in the AL Central are gonna be winning teams, that kinda has an impact. Don't start with the "MBIIA" argument, thats not the point. Just putting some numbers out there, and before you ask, yes I counted Cleveland as a winning team, despite 2 games under .500

[Rowand44]

Don't start with the "MBIIA" argument,

I think you just did.

Edited June 12, 2006 by Rowand44

[DBAHO]

I don't think anyone doubts this was going to happen to Freddy about a month back when he throwing the stuff he was.

 

And really what's happened this month is quite weird for him, because usually he's the pitcher who absolutely thrives against high class opposition, while he has problems with teams he should put away easily like Kansas City.

 

I think no doubt we're going to be able to find a taker for Garcia or Garland this off-season though, but it will depend on what KW wants in return.

 

Teams in the NL like San Diego who need SP and have a pitchers park would be well advised to try and get one of these 2 on the cheap.

[Rowand44]

I don't think anyone doubts this was going to happen to Freddy about a month back when he throwing the stuff he was.

 

And really what's happened this month is quite weird for him, because usually he's the pitcher who absolutely thrives against high class opposition, while he has problems with teams he should put away easily like Kansas City.

 

I think no doubt we're going to be able to find a taker for Garcia or Garland this off-season though, but it will depend on what KW wants in return.

 

Teams in the NL like San Diego who need SP and have a pitchers park would be well advised to try and get one of these 2 on the cheap.

Garcia's stuff isn't the problem right now, last night he just kept falling behind every hitter and when you do that you're going to get rocked, period.

[DBAHO]

Garcia's stuff isn't the problem right now, last night he just kept falling behind every hitter and when you do that you're going to get rocked, period.

What was he throwing MPH wise last night?

 

I didn't see the game, and the game thread didn't have much description on that.

[Rowand44]

What was he throwing MPH wise last night?

 

I didn't see the game, and the game thread didn't have much description on that.

I was at the game and kind of shielded from the gun so someone else will have to fill you in about that. He's throwing about as hard as he threw last year though, his control just completely sucked last night. Every hitter seemed to have a 3-1 count and obviously that isn't going to work.

[Capn12]

What was he throwing MPH wise last night?

 

I didn't see the game, and the game thread didn't have much description on that.

 

Gamethread didn't really have anything good to offer, tbh!!

 

ESPN was showing 92-94 I think, but Garcia was constantly behind, then the walks he did give up, were guaranteed to score on the meatballs he was serving up after that.