Rotation concerns??

[DBAHO]

I was at the game and kind of shielded from the gun so someone else will have to fill you in about that. He's throwing about as hard as he threw last year though, his control just completely sucked last night. Every hitter seemed to have a 3-1 count and obviously that isn't going to work.

Yeah I've read a lot recently about Ques Tec and the smaller strike zones.

 

And that's probably why Garland is struggling a lot as well. Last season he was getting ahead in the count early, this season he's not. Hence he's behind a lot, and forced to throw in the zone later on in the count, and hitters are taking advantage of that for the longball.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jun 12, 2006 -> 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That really makes Garland look bad cause he's the sinkerball pitcher and Freddy is more of the flyball type.

Match the pitcher to the GO/AO (with the White Sox.)

 

2004: 1.25

2005: 1.38

2006: 1.07

 

2004: 1.35

2005: 1.47

2006: .99

[TLAK]

Gamethread didn't really have anything good to offer, tbh!!

 

ESPN was showing 92-94 I think, but Garcia was constantly behind, then the walks he did give up, were guaranteed to score on the meatballs he was serving up after that.

The story of that game was Garcia gave up 4 walks and every one of them scored. Tracey's lead off walk in the 7th scored too. A pitcher issueing a walk early in the inning is the same as a fielder kicking a ground ball. The line between winning and losing is too thin to give the other guy extra outs.

[RME JICO]

So this wouldn't be a good time for me to reveal Buehrle's splits vs. Winning and Losing teams then I'm guessing....

 

4-1, 1.64 ERA, 1.05 WHIP vs. Losing teams

2-3, 4.73 ERA, 1.51 WHIP vs. Winning teams.

 

And considering that theres a real good chance 3 of the 5 teams in the AL Central are gonna be winning teams, that kinda has an impact. Don't start with the "MBIIA" argument, thats not the point. Just putting some numbers out there, and before you ask, yes I counted Cleveland as a winning team, despite 2 games under .500

 

How can you count Cleveland as a winning team? Oakland is only one game over so are they really a winning team?

 

You have to count them for what they are.

 

Buehrle's Stats

 

2-1, 3.27 ERA, 1.32 WHIP vs Winning Teams

4-3, 3.19 ERA, 1.27 WHIP vs Losing Teams (including CLE)

[LosMediasBlancas]

I'd like to know what % of 'Long Ball Freddy's' runs have come from HRs in his last 3 starts?

[Felix]

How can you count Cleveland as a winning team?

Because when you do that, the stats get twisted to agree with his opinion on Buehrle.

[lukeman89]

Outside of Kenny Rogers (who is a terrible 2nd-half pitcher, BTW)

 

G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA

 

Pre All Star 384 247 116 75 13 20 5 1711.2 1799 890 810 172 613 1020 4.26 1.41 .271

 

 

Post All-Star 316 166 82 59 15 16 4 1233.2 1265 632 562 124 424 777 4.10 1.37 .265

 

 

 

 

???????

Edited June 12, 2006 by lukeman89

[GoodAsGould]

G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA

 

Pre All Star 384 247 116 75 13 20 5 1711.2 1799 890 810 172 613 1020 4.26 1.41 .271

 

 

Post All-Star 316 166 82 59 15 16 4 1233.2 1265 632 562 124 424 777 4.10 1.37 .265

???????

 

 

He has had a long career.... look at the recent trend...

[WCSox]

Just because I correctly identify that Garcia and Garland are pitching poorly doesn't mean I must find a realistic upgrade for my claim to have merit.

 

Gee, thanks for pointing out the obvious.

 

BTW, I wouldn't characterize Freddy's pitching as "poor" thus far. He's had a few really bad games (especially lately), but has offset them with some very good ones. He's been inconsistent and below-average overall, but not exactly awful.

 

The good news is that even with a below-average Freddy, bad pitching from Jon, horrible middle relief, and Uribe and Anderson hitting below the Mendoza line, the Sox still have the second-best record in the league and are currently on pace to win 99 games. Jon and Freddy are both healthy and their career numbers suggest that they'll get better over the course of the season. Same goes for Uribe and it's likely that KW will bolster the 'pen by the end of next month. For a team with so many problems, the Sox are still in pretty good shape.

[Milkman delivers]

There's obviously something wrong with Garcia. It's either chemical or physical. He's throwing a lot softer than he has in years past. He's either been overworked, is hiding an injury, or is off of something that increased his velocity. I don't like any of those.

 

And about the offseason, don't the Cardinals basically have to replace their entire rotation? What do they have that we might want for 2007?

 

Oh, and reading this thread was like having a cat scratch my eyes out.

[Damen]

There's obviously something wrong with Garcia. It's either chemical or physical. He's throwing a lot softer than he has in years past. He's either been overworked, is hiding an injury, or is off of something that increased his velocity. I don't like any of those.

 

And about the offseason, don't the Cardinals basically have to replace their entire rotation? What do they have that we might want for 2007?

 

Oh, and reading this thread was like having a cat scratch my eyes out.

 

I'm going with a lack of amphetamines this year.

[Milkman delivers]

I'm going with a lack of amphetamines this year.

 

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[WCSox]

There's obviously something wrong with Garcia. It's either chemical or physical. He's throwing a lot softer than he has in years past. He's either been overworked, is hiding an injury, or is off of something that increased his velocity. I don't like any of those.

 

His fastball was in the 92-94 mph range last night. IIRC, used to throw 95-96. That's a drop-off, but not a significant one. If he's throwing 92-94 with a 80 mph hook, he's going to get hitters out if he locates. Unfortunately, he was constantly getting behind in counts last night.

[Milkman delivers]

His fastball was in the 92-94 mph range last night. IIRC, used to throw 95-96. That's a drop-off, but not a significant one. If he's throwing 92-94 with a 80 mph hook, he's going to get hitters out if he locates. Unfortunately, he was constantly getting behind in counts last night.

 

That's according to the ESPN gun, and I guess that's usually off. People at the game said he got it up to 94 once or twice, but mainly 89-91.

[WCSox]

That's according to the ESPN gun, and I guess that's usually off. People at the game said he got it up to 94 once or twice, but mainly 89-91.

 

He started out throwing 89-90, according to ESPN's gun, but he started to throw harder (mainly 92-93 with an occasional 94) after he began to get into trouble. But, yeah, it's possible that ESPN's gun was off. Comcast's is never accurate.

[Kalapse]

Wickman was throwing 96 MPH in the bottom of the 9th inning last night according to ESPN FWIW.

[ZoomSlowik]

G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA

 

Pre All Star 384 247 116 75 13 20 5 1711.2 1799 890 810 172 613 1020 4.26 1.41 .271

 

 

Post All-Star 316 166 82 59 15 16 4 1233.2 1265 632 562 124 424 777 4.10 1.37 .265

???????

 

Try the numbers from the last three years, which are a little more relevant...

 

pre-all star- 3.87 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, .273 BAA

 

post-all star- 4.80 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, .301 BAA

[GoSox05]

Its still early, but its time to start taking a look at some of our pitchers.

 

But its really not just are team. Its all the teams have pitchers who are struggling. Jake Peavy is like 4-7.

 

Raise the mounds. dammit. raise them.

[Dick Allen]

Wickman was throwing 96 MPH in the bottom of the 9th inning last night according to ESPN FWIW.

The USCF gun had Garcia 89-91 all night. He hit 94 once,and one clocked 106. This same gun had Buerhle at 89-90 most of Saturday. Freddy is not the pitcher he was when he came to the Sox. He used to consistently throw 94. Now when he tries to get a little extra on it, he can't throw a strike. Hopefully, there is no injury, but something is very different.