Chisoxfn Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Neal Cotts kept the damage to two runs, but a triple on a play off of Scotty's glove (personally speaking I think its a ball that a lot of LF'ers catch, but I'm not going to call it an easy play) was about the only hard hit ball (until Mike Young knocked him out of the game with an RBI double). Here's my thoughts on Garland's performance (curious to hear what others thought of him): Jon threw a good game. He had a shaky 6th inning and obviously you'd like to see him go deeper in the game, but he got a ton of ground ball outs and seemed to be throwing a little easier. Stunk he couldn't go deeper, but the Rangers really had some good AB's on him and eventually he made a mistake to Young (after Young fouled off some tough pitches; its also a play Dye makes some of the time, but Garland gave up the hard hit ball and thats on him). Kinsler also had a really good AB (to draw the 1 out walk that started things). Overall I thought Jon threw the ball pretty good. NOTE: I posted this in the game thread, but when I thought about it, I figured this is an easier place for those who may not have been able to see the game to find info on Garland's start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbeFroman Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 13, 2006 -> 09:00 PM) Neal Cotts kept the damage to two runs, but a triple on a play off of Scotty's glove (personally speaking I think its a ball that a lot of LF'ers catch, but I'm not going to call it an easy play) was about the only hard hit ball (until Mike Young knocked him out of the game with an RBI double). Here's my thoughts on Garland's performance (curious to hear what others thought of him): Jon threw a good game. He had a shaky 6th inning and obviously you'd like to see him go deeper in the game, but he got a ton of ground ball outs and seemed to be throwing a little easier. Stunk he couldn't go deeper, but the Rangers really had some good AB's on him and eventually he made a mistake to Young (after Young fouled off some tough pitches; its also a play Dye makes some of the time, but Garland gave up the hard hit ball and thats on him). Kinsler also had a really good AB (to draw the 1 out walk that started things). Overall I thought Jon threw the ball pretty good. NOTE: I posted this in the game thread, but when I thought about it, I figured this is an easier place for those who may not have been able to see the game to find info on Garland's start. my thoughts exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox08 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Jon seems like he is only getting better. Good sign for white sox pitching.. Keep it up Jon, you'll do fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I personally think he could've given up nothing. I believe Pods should definitely have caught that ball, but I may be wrong because I was doing a lot of work while I was watching it. And then the Dye play seemed catchable, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 14, 2006 Author Share Posted June 14, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 13, 2006 -> 07:13 PM) I personally think he could've given up nothing. I believe Pods should definitely have caught that ball, but I may be wrong because I was doing a lot of work while I was watching it. And then the Dye play seemed catchable, too. Exactly, but Garland did give up the hard hit balls and thats on him. Your right though and I think an Avg LF makes that play on Wilkerson's triple while Dye usually would make that catch (but he was a bit turned around). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Well let me ask, are you happy Ozzie took him out, or would you have preferred to see Jon try and get out of it himself? He was only at 91 pitches, so he had all kinds of room to try and wiggle his way out of the inning pitch wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I think Oz made the right call. He had a decent outing going and Judy was screaming to get out. Best to leave it to the pen at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 14, 2006 Author Share Posted June 14, 2006 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jun 13, 2006 -> 07:36 PM) I think Oz made the right call. He had a decent outing going and Judy was screaming to get out. Best to leave it to the pen at that point. The nice part was that Jon was able to leave and be in a spot to get the win. Its got to be a confidence boost for Jon. The only problem is Jon has done this as of late (good start going) only to get rattled later in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I'm glad he took him out. Of course, I say this because it ended up working out. And now it might give him confidence that he pitched well today. One thing I didn't like was Hawk talking about the bullpen letting Garland down a whole lot. All I could think was, "it can't be very easy for a reliever to come into a game with 1 out and runners on 2nd and 3rd." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 outfield didn't help Garland. but cottsie did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox08 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I'm glad he took Jon out when he did... Jon pitched well but I didn't want to see him lose it himself. Good decision to go with Cotts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Ozzie showed great timing with Garland. His pitches were up in the zone in the 6th inning. Something I criticize Ozzie on is that he's not proactive enough getting guys up in the pen. I'll applaud him for getting Cotts ready at the start of that inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 As a supporter of Garland he has done good on his later starts, but again gets hit with the big inning crap. Improvement on every start is something he should look for and has been doing in some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 He seems to like pitching against Texas so far this season. Hopefully he can build on this. He had quite a few groundball outs tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABearSoX Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I think it was a fine start out of this years 5th starter.....(who cares about the rotation, he is still #5).... I think Dye should have totally made that catch...but thankfully Neal picked him up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 (edited) I'm happy that Jon got his G/F ratio back where it needs to be. He's not an overpowering guy, so he'll have balls hit hard, but if they're hit hard on a line or on the ground, then he will continue to have success. I just hope that Jon can string a few good outings together and gain some confidence heading into the 2nd half. The key for Jon is obviously to have his good sinker working, (and keeping balls down in the zone in general) and along with that, not walking guys. He's mostly continued the improved BB/9 numbers he posted last year. If he can continue to work down in the count, I see no reason he can't post a 4.50 ERA from this point on and be a more than adequate 5th starter. Whether or not that justifies his contract is another story completely... Edited June 14, 2006 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 He was good tonight. At least for the rest of the year, I just want him to keep us in games and give us a chance to win. His overall era you can pretty much just throw out the window now as that's most likely going to remain high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 (edited) I don't like to over analyze, so I'll keep it simple. He mixed his pitches, kept the ball down, and didn't overuse the 4 seamer. As a result, he would have finished with 6 IP and 1 run allowed if his corner outfielders didn't pose as butchers for the night, so I was very encouraged. Edited June 14, 2006 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I credit Contreras as well. His start set a great tone for the series and what can be done if they pitch their asses off. I'd love to see our frontline start feeding off each other again like last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleHose4Life35 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I think that Garland pitched real well last night. Again if the outfield made those plays then I think Jon would have gone longer. This outing was definitely a positive one and one for Jon to build on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Ozzie seemed to have him on a short leash last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I would take that same performance from Jon for the rest of his career. Yeah it would be nice for him to get into the 7th, but he didn't allow a HR, which he had done in 10 out of his 12 previous starts. Also, he only allowed 5 hits and a walk over 5.1IP. It is definitely a start, now hopefully he can come back vs CIN and throw into the 7th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 13, 2006 -> 09:13 PM) I personally think he could've given up nothing. I believe Pods should definitely have caught that ball, but I may be wrong because I was doing a lot of work while I was watching it. And then the Dye play seemed catchable, too. Your right on both plays that should have been made, however if Dye catches that ball at the track, it's the 2nd out and the man on 3rd tags and scores, so it would have been man on 1st 2 outs for Texiera, so that 1 run was legitimate. However Jon did pitch much better than the final box score said IMO, all things considered. Edited June 14, 2006 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jun 13, 2006 -> 07:36 PM) I think Oz made the right call. He had a decent outing going and Judy was screaming to get out. Best to leave it to the pen at that point. Agreed. Ozzie took him out at exactly the right time. Hats off to Cotts for cleaning up Judy's mess as well. Didn't see the first four innings, but it appears that Jon pitched pretty well. And that's great news. He's looked much better over his last three or four starts and hopefully that trend will continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 (edited) Hats off to Cotts for cleaning up Dye's mess as well. Fixed it for ya Edited June 14, 2006 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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