Hawk

[Kalapse]

so you're saying Ozzie was pissed he DID NOT hit him, or pissed that he tried?

He was pissed because Tracey missed. It was pretty obvious.

[Guest JimH]

ill tell ya where Vazquez is. Hes keeping his head on straight in the middle of a ball game. Good Post.

 

Huh?

 

Vazquez, with an assist from Pierzynski's pitch calling, didn't make Texas hitters move their feet all nite. I dunno, seemed to me Texas hitters were pretty comfortable tonite.

Edited June 15, 2006 by JimH

[The Ginger Kid]

He was pissed because Tracey missed. It was pretty obvious.

Couldn't he also have told the bullpen that he didn't want any retaliation in a game that was essentially over because he (ozzie) didn't want to get suspended, nor can he afford to lose any pitchers?

 

Possibility?

[Guest JimH]

Couldn't he also have told the bullpen that he didn't want any retaliation in a game that was essentially over because he (ozzie) didn't want to get suspended, nor can he afford to lose any pitchers?

 

Possibility?

 

Yes, it's possible.

 

There was no doubt Guillen was mad about something though. It appeared he was pissed at Tracey, but then again none of us were up close and personal so it's all conjecture.

[daa84]

Couldn't he also have told the bullpen that he didn't want any retaliation in a game that was essentially over because he (ozzie) didn't want to get suspended, nor can he afford to lose any pitchers?

 

Possibility?

possibility for sure, that would explain why ozzie was so pissed....something just doesnt seem right about ozzie gettin so upset at tracey for not gettin it done when he clearly was trying to

[fathom]

Yes, it's possible.

 

There was no doubt Guillen was mad about something though. It appeared he was pissed at Tracey, but then again none of us were up close and personal so it's all conjecture.

 

Considering Tracey only facing one batter, I think it's a sure thing he was mad at him.

[MSHAWKS]

First of all, he shouldn't have to tell anybody on his team to do anything. They should know. Not only did Vazquez not plunk a guy, he didn't even make them move their feet. And I'm talking about after Pierzynski was hit the first time. There was no mistake IMO about Padilla's intent either time, but especially the first. That, to me, was a no doubter. Where is Vazquez the very next inning? No warning had been issued yet.

 

Maybe getting drilled will give Pierzynski the idea that it's a good idea to pitch the opposition inside. Everything Vazquez got hurt on tonite was due to him throwing pitches on the outer half. The Sox starters need to do a lot better job establishing the inside strike, and part of that is the catcher's responsibility. It's a team game and lots of guys didn't do their jobs tonite.

 

 

I agree with you on AJ calling for more pitches on the inside part of the plate. Hawk has constantly criticized Garland and Vasquez for not pitching inside, particularly Garland, and then you see AJ basically setting up in the opposite batters box. Why doesn't Hawk ever mention this?

[Kalapse]

Yes, it's possible.

 

There was no doubt Guillen was mad about something though. It appeared he was pissed at Tracey, but then again none of us were up close and personal so it's all conjecture.

Very true but I doubt Ozzie would get that upset over Tracey throwing a few pitches inside.

[Guest JimH]

Considering Tracey only facing one batter, I think it's a sure thing he was mad at him.

Seemed that way to me too. Who knows though, it's Ozzie.

[Dan]

First of all, he shouldn't have to tell anybody on his team to do anything. They should know. Not only did Vazquez not plunk a guy, he didn't even make them move their feet. And I'm talking about after Pierzynski was hit the first time. There was no mistake IMO about Padilla's intent either time, but especially the first. That, to me, was a no doubter. Where is Vazquez the very next inning? No warning had been issued yet.

 

Maybe getting drilled will give Pierzynski the idea that it's a good idea to pitch the opposition inside. Everything Vazquez got hurt on tonite was due to him throwing pitches on the outer half. The Sox starters need to do a lot better job establishing the inside strike, and part of that is the catcher's responsibility. It's a team game and lots of guys didn't do their jobs tonite.

the pitchers also have every right to shake off any pitches that AJ calls for.

[The Ginger Kid]

At least someone in that dugout was pissed off besides AJ.

 

It's games like this when I am so very grateful that Jerry Manuel is no longer here.

[Dan]

Considering Tracey only facing one batter, I think it's a sure thing he was mad at him.

Ozzie came off as a reall tool.

[Guest JimH]

I agree with you on AJ calling for more pitches on the inside part of the plate. Hawk has constantly criticized Garland and Vasquez for not pitching inside, particularly Garland, and then you see AJ basically setting up in the opposite batters box. Why doesn't Hawk ever mention this?

 

It's a fair question.

 

The pitcher can shake the catcher off I guess. Sox pitchers have so much faith in both Pierzynski and Widger but I think this is where the pitching coach comes into play, he can tell them to work inside more.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

At least someone in that dugout was pissed off besides AJ.

 

It's games like this when I am so very grateful that Jerry Manuel is no longer here.

 

 

Oh god. That b**** made f***er would be sending over candy and flowers to try to make nice with them.

 

LOL!

[fathom]

It's a fair question.

 

The pitcher can shake the catcher off I guess. Sox pitchers have so much faith in both Pierzynski and Widger but I think this is where the pitching coach comes into play, he can tell them to work inside more.

 

For the last few years, whenever I've seen the vintage Vazquez big innings, it's the same stuff that you mentioned before that gets him in trouble. Vazquez has good control, but he gets wild in the strike zone. He only has one pitch that he can consistently throw inside, and that's his fastball. However, Vazquez ends up leaving his fastball over the plate (a good example was Mark T.'s 2 out RBI double vs him). He didn't use his good changeup nearly enough tonight. That's been his out pitch almost all season.

[3E8]

Off topic fun

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyDN2y3S3iE...aseball%20fight

[Harry&JimmyRocked]

Hawk...not on our side.......?

 

Brain....cannot....compute

 

 

POST OF THE YEAR!!!

[MSHAWKS]

It's a fair question.

 

The pitcher can shake the catcher off I guess. Sox pitchers have so much faith in both Pierzynski and Widger but I think this is where the pitching coach comes into play, he can tell them to work inside more.

 

 

I think Coop needs to tell AJ, more so than the pitchers at this point, to work inside more. 90% of the time he is set up middle/away. A pitcher isn't going to throw in on a batter if his catcher is set up on the outside corner.

[daa84]

Off topic fun

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyDN2y3S3iE...aseball%20fight

they are like cavemen...what meatheads! who would think of retaliation like that?

[3E8]

they are like cavemen...what meatheads! who would think of retaliation like that?

I could watch Mike Sweeney destroy Jeff Weaver all day.

[daa84]

I could watch Mike Sweeney destroy Jeff Weaver all day.

haha thats the best hit in that video in my opinion...and the AAAer hittin the catcher is just so classic

[Kalapse]

I could watch Mike Sweeney destroy Jeff Weaver all day.

The best part of that was the throwing of the helmet, players don't normally have the balls to use any part of their equipment as a weapon. If you're going to go beat the s*** out of the pitcher chances are you're in for a nice suspension anyway why not start it off by chucking your helmet at his skull?

[KevHead0881]

I'll always love the Pedro Martinez/Gerald Williams brawl. Something about seeing Williams look down at his wrist and back at Pedro just cracks me up. It was as if Williams was saying "Did you just hit me? Let me check. Yah, you just hit me! How dare you!"

 

f***ing hilarious!

[South Side Fireworks Man]

Sorry, but talking about a guy getting a liner back off the kneecap or off the elbow in unacceptable. I was absolutely embarrassed that he kept going on and on about it, and how if it was him, he would've waited for him outside the locker room or some s*** like that.

 

Have some f***ing professionalism, Hawk.

 

:sigh

 

Damn do I miss Rooney...

 

 

Notice how D.J. was trying to restore some professionalism, but Hawk would have none of it.

 

Not that I disagree with the sentiments of what Hawk was saying, but it was very unprofessional for the "voice of the White Sox" to be calling for line drives off the ptcher's kneecap and advocating waiting for him outside the clubhouse.

 

 

 

Maybe Ozzie was screaming into the bullpen phone because maybe Tracey didn't get the message.

 

The real problem here is the Sox are still using that outdated technology--a land line from the dugout to the bullpen. Seeing that it was in Texas, the Rangers probably intercepted the call and relayed the wrong message to the bullpen. They've been known to do things like that--ask Buerhle about the lights in CF.

 

Why don't the Sox use those new-fangled wireless phones like the Cubs? Maybe they could get a deal from Joan Cusack.

[GoodAsGould]

Notice how D.J. was trying to restore some professionalism, but Hawk would have none of it.

 

Not that I disagree with the sentiments of what Hawk was saying, but it was very unprofessional for the "voice of the White Sox" to be calling for line drives off the ptcher's kneecap and advocating waiting for him outside the clubhouse.

The real problem here is the Sox are still using that outdated technology--a land line from the dugout to the bullpen. Seeing that it was in Texas, the Rangers probably intercepted the call and relayed the wrong message to the bullpen. They've been known to do things like that--ask Buerhle about the lights in CF.

 

Why don't the Sox use those new-fangled wireless phones like the Cubs? Maybe they could get a deal from Joan Cusack.

 

I hope to god you dont actually believe that crap.... That was one of the few times Buehrle was just plain out talking out of his ass and was the most bs reason ive ever heard a pitcher come up for a reason to why they lost.